Select to expand quoteSea Lotus said..Hanstholm said..Sea Lotus said..
It has been 5 weeks on the waves with new boards, so adding my wave comments.
Goya c4 68: used with original 250 fins, carries 4.4 nicely even in overpowered weather, it is very agile, can point the board anywhere you want at an instant, rail to rail at an instant too, small or big wave works great, can chose to do sanppy or carved out turns at any speed, slow speed rail digs are happening much less, rails cut through rough areas smoothly. Planing needs active footwork and pumping, especially in light winds, but its quick to accelerate once you have some power in the sail. Keeps the speed really well at bottom turns. Tracks upwind great, nonplaning or planing. It feels stiffer over chop compared to the 2016 version i tried, olso if wave face has a chop when dropping in on a steep section, i dig the nose several times and catapult but thats probably my mistake. This is my main and favorite board now, i can slog and ride fine, just a little hard to tack and low speed jibe, love it.
Cube 82: i moved around the original 300 fins, got it to most pivoty setup but i still couldn't even come close to make top turns like c3 75 or c4 68. Tried 250 fins, was a little better but my legs still crumbled when hitting critical sections, and still no where near snappy. Ordered new fins (muf dtl+ 14/8, which has very small area) and tried different setups, yes it was better but then it felt too nervous in bottom turns, and my legs still couldn't cope with critical sections.
Bottom turns are bouncy over chop and i dig the rail a lot with this board, but smooth and predictable when there is no chop, just needs a lot of toeside pressure.
Early planing is just amazing, its really fast too, it is very comfortable blasting over chop, rides a little more over the water.
Meanwhile i was using my c3 75lt with 4.8, old board is much better for wave riding, just losing early planing, blasting speed and comfort, so i cancelled selling it and now i am selling the cube, this was a costly mistake.
I think cube is not a good dtl wave board for lightweight riders, great for b&j though. Yes 82lt is too big, but feeling difference between 75 c3 is huge (not a huge difference between c4 68 and c3 75), so i think its not only about big volume.
What was your weight? I have the Cube too but in 93l as my big board, Im 75kg. What I?ve found is that you need to adapt your wave riding style a bit to that board. The Cube likes to get turned over the last part of the rail, on the former green version I think the easiest desciption is to think about bottom turning the board just by use of the black painted area at the back part of the rail. You can also find the sweat spot quite easy by just moving the sail a bit back while jibing. You will immediatly feel that it turns much faster and easier. If you want to push the Cube more over the front, like your C4 it gets slower during the turn or you even dig the nose if you come from the Pyramid. Regarding straps position, put the back strap as far back as possible and the mastfoot to the back. To adapt the Cube to my riding style I?ve checked the fin distances and angles. On mine there was a small tolerance issue with the boxes which created a weird fin angle. One fin tip was leaning in the direction of the other (to the inside not to rails) and they were not parallel. After fixing this I?ve added toe in on all 4 fins which makes it an insane board finally. I also have a Pyramid 77l (red) which is the complete opposite of the Cube in regards to wave riding style. This board wants to get pushed on the front part of the rail and is really a board for advanced riders and specialists. It also reacts quite sensitive to mast foot positioning and type of fins used. If you have the right conditions, the power and you figured out the riding style it is a complete mindblowing board, I'm sometimes surprised that the 2020 Pyramid shape is a serial production shape to be honest. For my feeling the C4 is between those two boards, it feels much more balanced, is not that calm in chop as the Cube but turns quite nice on small and big waves but it is not a wave machine like the Pyramid. Maybe this tips help you before you sell the Cube too quick. Cheers
Thanks for sharing your experience and tips.
I am 63kg, 165cm short legs, stance 44-45cm. With cube i used the front straps one above most rear, back strap front screws 1 hole above most rear and back screws 1 hole below most forward (13,5cm width instead of 14,5). Mast track is quite back, base circle touching track entrance rectangle, but like you said it still feels too forward, even though distance from front straps are almost same with other boards.
Now i moved all straps one hole rear, so i am at final holes, not possible to move them more rear.
Then i will move the mast base most rear, base circle covering the track entry hole.
I have 10cm ezzy 2* side fins but didn't try them because they were big, now i put them (most rear) and 13cm low area dtl centers (most forwards) so about 2 fingers between them. Do you think this fin setup would work?
Waiting for the wind to give it few more tries with this setup.
Nah, those ezzy sides are to large I think. Play around with the original set up that is a good allround fin solution. On the green cube I have the centers as far as possible forward, I even grinded the edges a bit to get another 2-3mm. The Quatro Customs seem to have a longer box than the productions but this is changed with the white cube now so you should have more space. If you still have the feeling it is not turning properly put the sides more forward 2.5 fingers. Base circle touching the track entrance is the right spot for me.
I had one light wind session with this setup, on very nice logo/mast high waves. 10/13 fins as close as possible, footstraps and mast base all the way back.
Turns were easier with less pressure needed, top turns were better but still could not dig the back foot in, at least i could carve it sharply.
For some reason board slowed down a lot at bottom turns, sharp or long both slowed down, maybe its the large side fins.
Upwind while slogging was poor, i guess due to small centers.
This had been the best setup so far, still not liking it much though.
Select to expand quoteAlexF said..
I'd say it depends on your (varying?) conditions.
If you sail mostly cross on or your waves are less powerfully the Nitro could be a one board quiver.
But for side to side off conditions and pushy waves I won't miss my C3.
I haven't tried the Nitro in these conditions though, so can't say it wouldn't work there too.
As you I'm winging too, but I still tell myself having two waveboards is worth the effort.
Despite I use them much less than my winging gear.
Hello Alex,
Can you give me a update of your experience with the Goya Nitro? How does it perform in sideshore conditions? I am thinking of buying the Nitro 98 for those powerless waves with lots of current of here (North Sea , Holland).
Martin
Select to expand quoteSea Lotus said..
I had one light wind session with this setup, on very nice logo/mast high waves. 10/13 fins as close as possible, footstraps and mast base all the way back.
Turns were easier with less pressure needed, top turns were better but still could not dig the back foot in, at least i could carve it sharply.
For some reason board slowed down a lot at bottom turns, sharp or long both slowed down, maybe its the large side fins.
Upwind while slogging was poor, i guess due to small centers.
This had been the best setup so far, still not liking it much though.
Those centers are too narrow to work for me. I've used that narrow template with no problem on a Flikka board but they just don't work on the Cube.
I also think your front fins are too large for the Cube. I prefer the Black Project Epic Wave for center fins and stock MFC front fins. I'm 90 kg and ride the Cube 106 L and 98 L. I use the BP 16.5 cm for center plus stock MFC front fins on the 106, and BP 15.5 and MFC stock fins on the 98 L.
Select to expand quoteKrul1973 said..AlexF said..
I'd say it depends on your (varying?) conditions.
If you sail mostly cross on or your waves are less powerfully the Nitro could be a one board quiver.
But for side to side off conditions and pushy waves I won't miss my C3.
I haven't tried the Nitro in these conditions though, so can't say it wouldn't work there too.
As you I'm winging too, but I still tell myself having two waveboards is worth the effort.
Despite I use them much less than my winging gear.
Hello Alex,
Can you give me a update of your experience with the Goya Nitro? How does it perform in sideshore conditions? I am thinking of buying the Nitro 98 for those powerless waves with lots of current of here (North Sea , Holland).
Martin
Meanwhile i had several sessions with the Nitro in side to sideoff conditions, on days with smaller waves or where i needed the +8 liters against my C3 for float and ride.
The Nitro works in these conditions due to it's rocker, V-bottom and thin rails in the tail but it definitely doesn't carve like the C3.
You have to push it a little more with the back foot and on faster, bigger waves like i had in Glaizia this summer it isn't that settled on the wave face like the C3. In these coditions a C4 104 or 114 would for sure be the better option.
But that's no issue on the smaller wave days, here the shape of the Nitro helps a lot to carry the speed through the turns, and i really prefer it in these conditions over the C3 because it does make life easier there for an 55 yo wavesailing tourist.
So if the wind is strong and constant enough for both boards i decide on wave size and quality if i take the Nitro or C3, doesn't matter which sail size.
Select to expand quoteSea Lotus said..
I had one light wind session with this setup, on very nice logo/mast high waves. 10/13 fins as close as possible, footstraps and mast base all the way back.
Turns were easier with less pressure needed, top turns were better but still could not dig the back foot in, at least i could carve it sharply.
For some reason board slowed down a lot at bottom turns, sharp or long both slowed down, maybe its the large side fins.
Upwind while slogging was poor, i guess due to small centers.
This had been the best setup so far, still not liking it much though.
Having had the Cube 87 (green one) and still having the Cube 106 (white one, current model) partnered with a Goya Custom 4 94 I am getting a bit of what you are saying (my weight 87 kg).
The Goya Custom 4 is a 'plug and play' board, it just works out of the box, needs a bit of wind but when it's going everything seems to be effortless. The Cube is a different beast compared to the Goya. For me the Cube is my big waveboard and with the supplied fins it works for me (back fins forward, front fins nearly to the back, back strap all the way back, front straps all the way forward, base all the way back). However the ride will never be as buttery as the Custom. It drives well from the front foot but the more parallel outline makes it a bit more work I think, the top turns have never been a problem for me, snappy and can really dig the backfoot in). Upwind is a breeze, probably better then the Goya but not much difference.
I really like the Cube, for it's effortless planing and going through lulls and making the best of otherwise crappy/small days.
What made you choose the Cube over let's say a bigger Custom 4 or even a Custom 3?
Select to expand quoteAlexF said..Krul1973 said..AlexF said..
I'd say it depends on your (varying?) conditions.
If you sail mostly cross on or your waves are less powerfully the Nitro could be a one board quiver.
But for side to side off conditions and pushy waves I won't miss my C3.
I haven't tried the Nitro in these conditions though, so can't say it wouldn't work there too.
As you I'm winging too, but I still tell myself having two waveboards is worth the effort.
Despite I use them much less than my winging gear.
Hello Alex,
Can you give me a update of your experience with the Goya Nitro? How does it perform in sideshore conditions? I am thinking of buying the Nitro 98 for those powerless waves with lots of current of here (North Sea , Holland).
Martin
Meanwhile i had several sessions with the Nitro in side to sideoff conditions, on days with smaller waves or where i needed the +8 liters against my C3 for float and ride.
The Nitro works in these conditions due to it's rocker, V-bottom and thin rails in the tail but it definitely doesn't carve like the C3.
You have to push it a little more with the back foot and on faster, bigger waves like i had in Glaizia this summer it isn't that settled on the wave face like the C3. In these coditions a C4 104 or 114 would for sure be the better option.
But that's no issue on the smaller wave days, here the shape of the Nitro helps a lot to carry the speed through the turns, and i really prefer it in these conditions over the C3 because it does make life easier there for an 55 yo wavesailing tourist.
So if the wind is strong and constant enough for both boards i decide on wave size and quality if i take the Nitro or C3, doesn't matter which sail size.Select to expand quoteAlexF said..Krul1973 said..AlexF said..
I'd say it depends on your (varying?) conditions.
If you sail mostly cross on or your waves are less powerfully the Nitro could be a one board quiver.
But for side to side off conditions and pushy waves I won't miss my C3.
I haven't tried the Nitro in these conditions though, so can't say it wouldn't work there too.
As you I'm winging too, but I still tell myself having two waveboards is worth the effort.
Despite I use them much less than my winging gear.
Hello Alex,
Can you give me a update of your experience with the Goya Nitro? How does it perform in sideshore conditions? I am thinking of buying the Nitro 98 for those powerless waves with lots of current of here (North Sea , Holland).
Martin
Meanwhile i had several sessions with the Nitro in side to sideoff conditions, on days with smaller waves or where i needed the +8 liters against my C3 for float and ride.
The Nitro works in these conditions due to it's rocker, V-bottom and thin rails in the tail but it definitely doesn't carve like the C3.
You have to push it a little more with the back foot and on faster, bigger waves like i had in Glaizia this summer it isn't that settled on the wave face like the C3. In these coditions a C4 104 or 114 would for sure be the better option.
But that's no issue on the smaller wave days, here the shape of the Nitro helps a lot to carry the speed through the turns, and i really prefer it in these conditions over the C3 because it does make life easier there for an 55 yo wavesailing tourist.
So if the wind is strong and constant enough for both boards i decide on wave size and quality if i take the Nitro or C3, doesn't matter which sail size.
Thanks Alex for your answer! Yes I quess there are better boards for those sideoff bigwave conditions like the c4. I have a starboard nuevo and a Flikka for more those conditions but was curious how the Nitro performs . I like the more surfy- style waveboards and hope to find that in the Nitro for those crappy waves over here. My experience with wavesups is the same that you need a wider tail holding speed on most days on the North Sea. That's why I am looking for a windsurfwaveboard with that same idea.
Select to expand quoteKrul1973 said..AlexF said..Krul1973 said..AlexF said..
I'd say it depends on your (varying?) conditions.
If you sail mostly cross on or your waves are less powerfully the Nitro could be a one board quiver.
But for side to side off conditions and pushy waves I won't miss my C3.
I haven't tried the Nitro in these conditions though, so can't say it wouldn't work there too.
As you I'm winging too, but I still tell myself having two waveboards is worth the effort.
Despite I use them much less than my winging gear.
Hello Alex,
Can you give me a update of your experience with the Goya Nitro? How does it perform in sideshore conditions? I am thinking of buying the Nitro 98 for those powerless waves with lots of current of here (North Sea , Holland).
Martin
Meanwhile i had several sessions with the Nitro in side to sideoff conditions, on days with smaller waves or where i needed the +8 liters against my C3 for float and ride.
The Nitro works in these conditions due to it's rocker, V-bottom and thin rails in the tail but it definitely doesn't carve like the C3.
You have to push it a little more with the back foot and on faster, bigger waves like i had in Glaizia this summer it isn't that settled on the wave face like the C3. In these coditions a C4 104 or 114 would for sure be the better option.
But that's no issue on the smaller wave days, here the shape of the Nitro helps a lot to carry the speed through the turns, and i really prefer it in these conditions over the C3 because it does make life easier there for an 55 yo wavesailing tourist.
So if the wind is strong and constant enough for both boards i decide on wave size and quality if i take the Nitro or C3, doesn't matter which sail size.AlexF said..Krul1973 said..AlexF said..
I'd say it depends on your (varying?) conditions.
If you sail mostly cross on or your waves are less powerfully the Nitro could be a one board quiver.
But for side to side off conditions and pushy waves I won't miss my C3.
I haven't tried the Nitro in these conditions though, so can't say it wouldn't work there too.
As you I'm winging too, but I still tell myself having two waveboards is worth the effort.
Despite I use them much less than my winging gear.
Hello Alex,
Can you give me a update of your experience with the Goya Nitro? How does it perform in sideshore conditions? I am thinking of buying the Nitro 98 for those powerless waves with lots of current of here (North Sea , Holland).
Martin
Meanwhile i had several sessions with the Nitro in side to sideoff conditions, on days with smaller waves or where i needed the +8 liters against my C3 for float and ride.
The Nitro works in these conditions due to it's rocker, V-bottom and thin rails in the tail but it definitely doesn't carve like the C3.
You have to push it a little more with the back foot and on faster, bigger waves like i had in Glaizia this summer it isn't that settled on the wave face like the C3. In these coditions a C4 104 or 114 would for sure be the better option.
But that's no issue on the smaller wave days, here the shape of the Nitro helps a lot to carry the speed through the turns, and i really prefer it in these conditions over the C3 because it does make life easier there for an 55 yo wavesailing tourist.
So if the wind is strong and constant enough for both boards i decide on wave size and quality if i take the Nitro or C3, doesn't matter which sail size.
Thanks Alex for your answer! Yes I quess there are better boards for those sideoff bigwave conditions like the c4. I have a starboard nuevo and a Flikka for more those conditions but was curious how the Nitro performs . I like the more surfy- style waveboards and hope to find that in the Nitro for those crappy waves over here. My experience with wavesups is the same that you need a wider tail holding speed on most days on the North Sea. That's why I am looking for a windsurfwaveboard with that same idea.
Isn't the Flikka Compact designed for those North Sea conditions? Wide squash tail, fast rocker, holds speed well in bottom turn.
Select to expand quotechunder said..Krul1973 said..AlexF said..Krul1973 said..AlexF said..
I'd say it depends on your (varying?) conditions.
If you sail mostly cross on or your waves are less powerfully the Nitro could be a one board quiver.
But for side to side off conditions and pushy waves I won't miss my C3.
I haven't tried the Nitro in these conditions though, so can't say it wouldn't work there too.
As you I'm winging too, but I still tell myself having two waveboards is worth the effort.
Despite I use them much less than my winging gear.
Hello Alex,
Can you give me a update of your experience with the Goya Nitro? How does it perform in sideshore conditions? I am thinking of buying the Nitro 98 for those powerless waves with lots of current of here (North Sea , Holland).
Martin
Meanwhile i had several sessions with the Nitro in side to sideoff conditions, on days with smaller waves or where i needed the +8 liters against my C3 for float and ride.
The Nitro works in these conditions due to it's rocker, V-bottom and thin rails in the tail but it definitely doesn't carve like the C3.
You have to push it a little more with the back foot and on faster, bigger waves like i had in Glaizia this summer it isn't that settled on the wave face like the C3. In these coditions a C4 104 or 114 would for sure be the better option.
But that's no issue on the smaller wave days, here the shape of the Nitro helps a lot to carry the speed through the turns, and i really prefer it in these conditions over the C3 because it does make life easier there for an 55 yo wavesailing tourist.
So if the wind is strong and constant enough for both boards i decide on wave size and quality if i take the Nitro or C3, doesn't matter which sail size.AlexF said..Krul1973 said..AlexF said..
I'd say it depends on your (varying?) conditions.
If you sail mostly cross on or your waves are less powerfully the Nitro could be a one board quiver.
But for side to side off conditions and pushy waves I won't miss my C3.
I haven't tried the Nitro in these conditions though, so can't say it wouldn't work there too.
As you I'm winging too, but I still tell myself having two waveboards is worth the effort.
Despite I use them much less than my winging gear.
Hello Alex,
Can you give me a update of your experience with the Goya Nitro? How does it perform in sideshore conditions? I am thinking of buying the Nitro 98 for those powerless waves with lots of current of here (North Sea , Holland).
Martin
Meanwhile i had several sessions with the Nitro in side to sideoff conditions, on days with smaller waves or where i needed the +8 liters against my C3 for float and ride.
The Nitro works in these conditions due to it's rocker, V-bottom and thin rails in the tail but it definitely doesn't carve like the C3.
You have to push it a little more with the back foot and on faster, bigger waves like i had in Glaizia this summer it isn't that settled on the wave face like the C3. In these coditions a C4 104 or 114 would for sure be the better option.
But that's no issue on the smaller wave days, here the shape of the Nitro helps a lot to carry the speed through the turns, and i really prefer it in these conditions over the C3 because it does make life easier there for an 55 yo wavesailing tourist.
So if the wind is strong and constant enough for both boards i decide on wave size and quality if i take the Nitro or C3, doesn't matter which sail size.
Thanks Alex for your answer! Yes I quess there are better boards for those sideoff bigwave conditions like the c4. I have a starboard nuevo and a Flikka for more those conditions but was curious how the Nitro performs . I like the more surfy- style waveboards and hope to find that in the Nitro for those crappy waves over here. My experience with wavesups is the same that you need a wider tail holding speed on most days on the North Sea. That's why I am looking for a windsurfwaveboard with that same idea.
Isn't the Flikka Compact designed for those North Sea conditions? Wide squash tail, fast rocker, holds speed well in bottom turn.
I don't have a Flikka compact but it is on my list to try one. But Goya has a really interesting shape with lots of R&d in it.
Select to expand quoteCuchufleta said...
What made you choose the Cube over let's say a bigger Custom 4 or even a Custom 3?
For early planing mostly, but olso i wanted to try different boards.
Always nice to try out new things but now and then you might run into something that's just not your cup of tea. Try (not buy) some other boards and see if you get on with these.....
Finally some first pictures of the new material. The new Sail design reminds me very much of the Severne Pro construction, which I like very much. Source: www.instagram.com/marciliobrowne/
Each sail will come in a Pro, X-pro (X-ply) or Carbon version. The Guru will be called Banzai Surf and the Eclipse will be called Banzai max.
