The screw labelling are a handy touch... that saves some hassle and referring to bits of paper.
Select to expand quoteMProject04 said..
Chord:
- centre, next to fuse: 13 cm
- 20 cm from the tip: 10 cm
Thickness:
- centre: 13 mm
- 20 from tip: 10 mm
My measuring tools aren't super professional. Hope it helps!
Are you sure with 13mm thickness of the 1050 HA in the Center?
My 950HA has around 15mm there.......which is still very thin for that size
Select to expand quotetintifax said..MProject04 said..
Chord:
- centre, next to fuse: 13 cm
- 20 cm from the tip: 10 cm
Thickness:
- centre: 13 mm
- 20 from tip: 10 mm
My measuring tools aren't super professional. Hope it helps!
Are you sure with 13mm thickness of the 1050 HA in the Center?
My 950HA has around 15mm there.......which is still very thin for that size
No, not sure. As I said my tools weren't super good. My thicknesses measuring tool was too short to reach the thickest section of the wing. I'll remeasure.
Got my first run on the 1250HA yesterday. Miscommunication w my dealer, but showed up w the 270 Stab. Was way powered on a Mode 5.5, probably should of been on a 4M. Waves thigh to waist.
First impressions. It's passive speed is very fast for a 1250. It does take more speed to come up, but thats typical for faster foilers. It tracks like it's on rails and that includes the jibes. On the downwind waves and wind chop it glides and glides, at speed. Was actually surprised by the turning ability on the waves. I experimented w different pumping cadence and depth. TBD.
I forgot to put the pedal down to get an idea of top speed. But lots of 18 mph/15.6 knot peaks.
I'll make a point next session.
I've got the 208 Stab coming so more after I run on that setup.
One big question, I really wanted to jump it. But decided not to until I checked the North site. Didn't know if it had the same restrictions as the Axis ART? I couldn't find anything online?
Select to expand quoteShlogger said..
Got my first run on the 1250HA yesterday. Miscommunication w my dealer, but showed up w the 270 Stab. Was way powered on a Mode 5.5, probably should of been on a 4M. Waves thigh to waist.
First impressions. It's passive speed is very fast for a 1250. It does take more speed to come up, but thats typical for faster foilers. It tracks like it's on rails and that includes the jibes. On the downwind waves and wind chop it glides and glides, at speed. Was actually surprised by the turning ability on the waves. I experimented w different pumping cadence and depth. TBD.
I forgot to put the pedal down to get an idea of top speed. But lots of 18 mph/15.6 knot peaks.
I'll make a point next session.
I've got the 208 Stab coming so more after I run on that setup.
One big question, I really wanted to jump it. But decided not to until I checked the North site. Didn't know if it had the same restrictions as the Axis ART? I couldn't find anything online?
Sounds encouraging! Shlogger, what's your weight? And what board?
Select to expand quoteMProject04 said..Shlogger said..
Got my first run on the 1250HA yesterday. Miscommunication w my dealer, but showed up w the 270 Stab. Was way powered on a Mode 5.5, probably should of been on a 4M. Waves thigh to waist.
First impressions. It's passive speed is very fast for a 1250. It does take more speed to come up, but thats typical for faster foilers. It tracks like it's on rails and that includes the jibes. On the downwind waves and wind chop it glides and glides, at speed. Was actually surprised by the turning ability on the waves. I experimented w different pumping cadence and depth. TBD.
I forgot to put the pedal down to get an idea of top speed. But lots of 18 mph/15.6 knot peaks.
I'll make a point next session.
I've got the 208 Stab coming so more after I run on that setup.
One big question, I really wanted to jump it. But decided not to until I checked the North site. Didn't know if it had the same restrictions as the Axis ART? I couldn't find anything online?
Sounds encouraging! Shlogger, what's your weight? And what board?
75 kg's, Naish 85 Carbon Ultra
Select to expand quoteKovert said..
I moved to a north MA1350 set up with the 600 carbon fuse from a Sab set up a couple of months ago and love it! One tool for everything, super solid connections and I really like the feel. Will be adding smaller wings from either the HA or new surf wings at some point soon but love that it's all so modular and the build quality really is top notch.
Hi Kovert, what Sabfoil did you come from? What is your weight? What board? What wing size do you use with the MA1350?
Thank you
First session yesterday with the HA1050 and s270, cf85. First impressions is that it is fast, gets going rather easy (I expected more challenges) Stable yet 'turny' if you want it to. You can cut back to stay in the pocket (of the veeeery mellow bumps I could find) I instantly hit 24 kph without even pushing. My last years avg speeds were in the 27kph. The wingtips do stick out a lot, and when falling and trying to hold on too long to the handwing you risk a puncture. I quickly learned to let go.
Downwind glide was good. It felt effortless.. I did have the foil a bit too much forward. Low end glide will improve as I get the position right. So more impressions to follow.
Having moved from lower / mid aspect ratio 1700 and 1300 cm2 front wings, I am new to HA wings like this and still need to develop a feel in my heels and toes for them. It does feel like a front wing for advanced level riders. So more impressions to follow. Super short video in the link below. I like that I can see the green wingtips under me!
drive.google.com/file/d/1LfrjLFl92H3oFJXctHMEDLwkt_kus7Ec/view?usp=drivesdk
Ps. Tintifax I've yet to measure the thickness. But the thing just cuts through the water like a "Razor" 
and seems happy to do so!
Hi!
Anyone with experience using the bigger HA 1250/1450 new and older versions? With the lower aspect of the older wings do you think
it will get on foil earlier than the new ha? Have slower stall speed?
Looking for a light wind setup, prefer earlier lift than speed but likes good glide.
Thanks
Select to expand quoteoskarhhh said..
Hi!
Anyone with experience using the bigger HA 1250/1450 new and older versions? With the lower aspect of the older wings do you think
it will get on foil earlier than the new ha? Have slower stall speed?
Looking for a light wind setup, prefer earlier lift than speed but likes good glide.
Thanks
Hi, why do You not try the MA1350? the north Kb sonar rider quiz says it fits low wind best ?! That's why I ordered it...
Oskarhhh the below IG chat is from Jan 2022 when I approached a North development rider for his views on the previous 1250 and 1450. Feel free to guess who 
I had Mackiteboarding backing up the above.
You got to remember that the initial Sonar was born from a collab with Delta Foils. The DF designer had his own ideas on stabs (hence the s01).. luckily North revisited the stab as a first step upgrade. I can imagine this 1450 could be interesting especially because of its lower price atm
Select to expand quoteShlogger said..
Got my first run on the 1250HA yesterday. Miscommunication w my dealer, but showed up w the 270 Stab. Was way powered on a Mode 5.5, probably should of been on a 4M. Waves thigh to waist.
First impressions. It's passive speed is very fast for a 1250. It does take more speed to come up, but thats typical for faster foilers. It tracks like it's on rails and that includes the jibes. On the downwind waves and wind chop it glides and glides, at speed. Was actually surprised by the turning ability on the waves. I experimented w different pumping cadence and depth. TBD.
I forgot to put the pedal down to get an idea of top speed. But lots of 18 mph/15.6 knot peaks.
I'll make a point next session.
I've got the 208 Stab coming so more after I run on that setup.
One big question, I really wanted to jump it. But decided not to until I checked the North site. Didn't know if it had the same restrictions as the Axis ART? I couldn't find anything online?
Second run on 1250HA New today, this time w the 208 stab. Used my 5.5 Mode in 15-18G20.
Once again top speeds were around 18 mph/15.6 knots.
Jumped it quite a bit and it jumps nicely and recovers pretty easy.
Spent a lot of time tacking and jibing and you do need to keep it smooth and fast.
You do need to get some speed up to come up on foil. Pretty easy, but this foil is not your light wind wing answer. I thought it might replace my glider but a few weeks ago when I unpacked it..it's foil section is thin and I knew that wouldn't be the case.
Best feature IMO is the glide. It's like knife through butter. I see this being my downwind winging foil.
It pumps fairly well. With the 208 stab, it likes quick flick pumps. I did slow it down and go for deep pumps in flat water and it will respond. But no way this will be my dock start foil.
It's fast and glides unreal pound for pound.
I'll be waiting on the Surf foils which sound like they'll be my niche. I hear a dedicated pump foil is coming out soon.
Select to expand quoteShlogger said..Shlogger said..
Got my first run on the 1250HA yesterday. Miscommunication w my dealer, but showed up w the 270 Stab. Was way powered on a Mode 5.5, probably should of been on a 4M. Waves thigh to waist.
First impressions. It's passive speed is very fast for a 1250. It does take more speed to come up, but thats typical for faster foilers. It tracks like it's on rails and that includes the jibes. On the downwind waves and wind chop it glides and glides, at speed. Was actually surprised by the turning ability on the waves. I experimented w different pumping cadence and depth. TBD.
I forgot to put the pedal down to get an idea of top speed. But lots of 18 mph/15.6 knot peaks.
I'll make a point next session.
I've got the 208 Stab coming so more after I run on that setup.
One big question, I really wanted to jump it. But decided not to until I checked the North site. Didn't know if it had the same restrictions as the Axis ART? I couldn't find anything online?
Second run on 1250HA New today, this time w the 208 stab. Used my 5.5 Mode in 15-18G20.
Once again top speeds were around 18 mph/15.6 knots.
Jumped it quite a bit and it jumps nicely and recovers pretty easy.
Spent a lot of time tacking and jibing and you do need to keep it smooth and fast.
You do need to get some speed up to come up on foil. Pretty easy, but this foil is not your light wind wing answer. I thought it might replace my glider but a few weeks ago when I unpacked it..it's foil section is thin and I knew that wouldn't be the case.
Best feature IMO is the glide. It's like knife through butter. I see this being my downwind winging foil.
It pumps fairly well. With the 208 stab, it likes quick flick pumps. I did slow it down and go for deep pumps in flat water and it will respond. But no way this will be my dock start foil.
It's fast and glides unreal pound for pound.
I'll be waiting on the Surf foils which sound like they'll be my niche. I hear a dedicated pump foil is coming out soon.
For me with 86kg the 1250HA is the perfect Light Wind foil. In the meanwhile i have tested this a few times in comparison with notorious "light Wind Experts" at my Spot, which are lighter in weight and have much bigger frontwings. But you need to be familiar with the right technique for this kind of foils. It is not difficult and even less effort once dialled in. But when you come from a foil like for example the Naish HA 1800 (or 2140) you will not see the light Wind Potential of the north1250 at first without changing the technique. But once dialled in you get to fly earlier and have much more apparent wind in the lulls due to more effortless speed
Select to expand quotetintifax said..Shlogger said..Shlogger said..
Got my first run on the 1250HA yesterday. Miscommunication w my dealer, but showed up w the 270 Stab. Was way powered on a Mode 5.5, probably should of been on a 4M. Waves thigh to waist.
First impressions. It's passive speed is very fast for a 1250. It does take more speed to come up, but thats typical for faster foilers. It tracks like it's on rails and that includes the jibes. On the downwind waves and wind chop it glides and glides, at speed. Was actually surprised by the turning ability on the waves. I experimented w different pumping cadence and depth. TBD.
I forgot to put the pedal down to get an idea of top speed. But lots of 18 mph/15.6 knot peaks.
I'll make a point next session.
I've got the 208 Stab coming so more after I run on that setup.
One big question, I really wanted to jump it. But decided not to until I checked the North site. Didn't know if it had the same restrictions as the Axis ART? I couldn't find anything online?
Second run on 1250HA New today, this time w the 208 stab. Used my 5.5 Mode in 15-18G20.
Once again top speeds were around 18 mph/15.6 knots.
Jumped it quite a bit and it jumps nicely and recovers pretty easy.
Spent a lot of time tacking and jibing and you do need to keep it smooth and fast.
You do need to get some speed up to come up on foil. Pretty easy, but this foil is not your light wind wing answer. I thought it might replace my glider but a few weeks ago when I unpacked it..it's foil section is thin and I knew that wouldn't be the case.
Best feature IMO is the glide. It's like knife through butter. I see this being my downwind winging foil.
It pumps fairly well. With the 208 stab, it likes quick flick pumps. I did slow it down and go for deep pumps in flat water and it will respond. But no way this will be my dock start foil.
It's fast and glides unreal pound for pound.
I'll be waiting on the Surf foils which sound like they'll be my niche. I hear a dedicated pump foil is coming out soon.
For me with 86kg the 1250HA is the perfect Light Wind foil. In the meanwhile i have tested this a few times in comparison with notorious "light Wind Experts" at my Spot, which are lighter in weight and have much bigger frontwings. But you need to be familiar with the right technique for this kind of foils. It is not difficult and even less effort once dialled in. But when you come from a foil like for example the Naish HA 1800 (or 2140) you will not see the light Wind Potential of the north1250 at first without changing the technique. But once dialled in you get to fly earlier and have much more apparent wind in the lulls due to more effortless speed
Agreed.coming up on foil technique is def different, just like most other thin fast foil shapes.
Select to expand quoteShlogger said..tintifax said..Shlogger said..Shlogger said..
Got my first run on the 1250HA yesterday. Miscommunication w my dealer, but showed up w the 270 Stab. Was way powered on a Mode 5.5, probably should of been on a 4M. Waves thigh to waist.
First impressions. It's passive speed is very fast for a 1250. It does take more speed to come up, but thats typical for faster foilers. It tracks like it's on rails and that includes the jibes. On the downwind waves and wind chop it glides and glides, at speed. Was actually surprised by the turning ability on the waves. I experimented w different pumping cadence and depth. TBD.
I forgot to put the pedal down to get an idea of top speed. But lots of 18 mph/15.6 knot peaks.
I'll make a point next session.
I've got the 208 Stab coming so more after I run on that setup.
One big question, I really wanted to jump it. But decided not to until I checked the North site. Didn't know if it had the same restrictions as the Axis ART? I couldn't find anything online?
Second run on 1250HA New today, this time w the 208 stab. Used my 5.5 Mode in 15-18G20.
Once again top speeds were around 18 mph/15.6 knots.
Jumped it quite a bit and it jumps nicely and recovers pretty easy.
Spent a lot of time tacking and jibing and you do need to keep it smooth and fast.
You do need to get some speed up to come up on foil. Pretty easy, but this foil is not your light wind wing answer. I thought it might replace my glider but a few weeks ago when I unpacked it..it's foil section is thin and I knew that wouldn't be the case.
Best feature IMO is the glide. It's like knife through butter. I see this being my downwind winging foil.
It pumps fairly well. With the 208 stab, it likes quick flick pumps. I did slow it down and go for deep pumps in flat water and it will respond. But no way this will be my dock start foil.
It's fast and glides unreal pound for pound.
I'll be waiting on the Surf foils which sound like they'll be my niche. I hear a dedicated pump foil is coming out soon.
For me with 86kg the 1250HA is the perfect Light Wind foil. In the meanwhile i have tested this a few times in comparison with notorious "light Wind Experts" at my Spot, which are lighter in weight and have much bigger frontwings. But you need to be familiar with the right technique for this kind of foils. It is not difficult and even less effort once dialled in. But when you come from a foil like for example the Naish HA 1800 (or 2140) you will not see the light Wind Potential of the north1250 at first without changing the technique. But once dialled in you get to fly earlier and have much more apparent wind in the lulls due to more effortless speed
Agreed.coming up on foil technique is def different, just like most other thin fast foil shapes.
Almost forgot...really liked the 208 Stab. It'll be my go too.
Select to expand quoteShlogger said..Shlogger said..tintifax said..Shlogger said..Shlogger said..
Got my first run on the 1250HA yesterday. Miscommunication w my dealer, but showed up w the 270 Stab. Was way powered on a Mode 5.5, probably should of been on a 4M. Waves thigh to waist.
First impressions. It's passive speed is very fast for a 1250. It does take more speed to come up, but thats typical for faster foilers. It tracks like it's on rails and that includes the jibes. On the downwind waves and wind chop it glides and glides, at speed. Was actually surprised by the turning ability on the waves. I experimented w different pumping cadence and depth. TBD.
I forgot to put the pedal down to get an idea of top speed. But lots of 18 mph/15.6 knot peaks.
I'll make a point next session.
I've got the 208 Stab coming so more after I run on that setup.
One big question, I really wanted to jump it. But decided not to until I checked the North site. Didn't know if it had the same restrictions as the Axis ART? I couldn't find anything online?
Second run on 1250HA New today, this time w the 208 stab. Used my 5.5 Mode in 15-18G20.
Once again top speeds were around 18 mph/15.6 knots.
Jumped it quite a bit and it jumps nicely and recovers pretty easy.
Spent a lot of time tacking and jibing and you do need to keep it smooth and fast.
You do need to get some speed up to come up on foil. Pretty easy, but this foil is not your light wind wing answer. I thought it might replace my glider but a few weeks ago when I unpacked it..it's foil section is thin and I knew that wouldn't be the case.
Best feature IMO is the glide. It's like knife through butter. I see this being my downwind winging foil.
It pumps fairly well. With the 208 stab, it likes quick flick pumps. I did slow it down and go for deep pumps in flat water and it will respond. But no way this will be my dock start foil.
It's fast and glides unreal pound for pound.
I'll be waiting on the Surf foils which sound like they'll be my niche. I hear a dedicated pump foil is coming out soon.
For me with 86kg the 1250HA is the perfect Light Wind foil. In the meanwhile i have tested this a few times in comparison with notorious "light Wind Experts" at my Spot, which are lighter in weight and have much bigger frontwings. But you need to be familiar with the right technique for this kind of foils. It is not difficult and even less effort once dialled in. But when you come from a foil like for example the Naish HA 1800 (or 2140) you will not see the light Wind Potential of the north1250 at first without changing the technique. But once dialled in you get to fly earlier and have much more apparent wind in the lulls due to more effortless speed
Agreed.coming up on foil technique is def different, just like most other thin fast foil shapes.
Almost forgot...really liked the 208 Stab. It'll be my go too.
I also currently only use the 208 from 1250 to 750......works fine for me
Great interview with Mike Raper from North: open.spotify.com/episode/221m2rBIPL6Kubqau6PaVw
Select to expand quoteBarbs734 said..
Any reviews out there on the SF foils yet?
My local shop is saying these will be available at the end of April
Select to expand quoteMProject04 said..
Oskarhhh the below IG chat is from Jan 2022 when I approached a North development rider for his views on the previous 1250 and 1450. Feel free to guess who
I had Mackiteboarding backing up the above.
You got to remember that the initial Sonar was born from a collab with Delta Foils. The DF designer had his own ideas on stabs (hence the s01).. luckily North revisited the stab as a first step upgrade. I can imagine this 1450 could be interesting especially because of its lower price atm
Thanks !!
2nd session last Sunday with the 1050HA , s270, full carbon setup. While the first session was a bit overwhelming with new wing, foil, different spot and not being able to feel everything, this session was more about feeling the foil.
Prior I set up the mast 1 cm aft, installed front footstraps just to aide my take offs (compared to strapless)
The foil worked great:
- taking off with 6m and 4.2m was pretty good. Just not too much AoA is needed. Make the speed first, keep the board nice and flat steady (footstrap helps) and the lift gradually builds and as it does just keep steady. Little AoA. I made the constant mistake during my first session to take off with bigger AoA and the super thin and narrow chord wings easily stall.. resulting in 'dolphining'. I guess this applies to all 10 AR high aspect wings.
- it instantly accelerates to higher speeds. You literally feel every chop you foil through. I guess the stiff mast translates a direct feel. The mast is stiff. Much more towards my super stiff AFS windfoil.
- for now I am really happy with the 700 fuse and the 270 stab. It doesn't feel like a big stab. Big enough for stable riding, small enough for allowing easy mini pumps.
- glide.. the downwind glide is a very exciting part of this foil. I havent yet explored because it's all new but going downwind immediately being able to stand up more straigth right above the front wing centre of lift felt good. Again the carbon mast translates every little bump or chop into the legs.. great feeling!
- I am still getting used to or discovering the parameters of the foil like stall speed. It feels like a foil that asks you to keep speed going otherwise it loses lift..coming from more thicker, mid aspect 1700 cm2 wings this is new territory.
- I also managed my first jibes and see here too that keeping the speed is important.
Doubts or concerns: I haven't tried but unsure this is a light wind beast for 10kts winds. But that's for another day to try out.
Overall superstoked to learn more about this foil with each session and happy with my choice for North.
One question I do have for others: what is the North Sonar go to frontwing for uber light wind sessions? Would that be a bigger size HA wing, or SF or MA wing? What front wing do the team riders ride on with the North Nova Light?
Select to expand quoteMProject04 said..
One question I do have for others: what is the North Sonar go to frontwing for uber light wind sessions? Would that be a bigger size HA wing, or SF or MA wing? What front wing do the team riders ride on with the North Nova Light?
Interested in this question as well.
I was lucky enough to see/feel the north setup last week and now have the CF85, SF930 and S215 on order 
Looking forward to it.
a friend of mine who also has the HA1050 would recommend an HA for lighter wind.
in his words:
It's more efficient and has more glide.
for me, he said the HA1150 would be enough for light wind.
Select to expand quoteUisceBeatha said..MProject04 said..
One question I do have for others: what is the North Sonar go to frontwing for uber light wind sessions? Would that be a bigger size HA wing, or SF or MA wing? What front wing do the team riders ride on with the North Nova Light?
Interested in this question as well.
I was lucky enough to see/feel the north setup last week and now have the CF85, SF930 and S215 on order Looking forward to it. woohoo!
Select to expand quoteWST said..
a friend of mine who also has the HA1050 would recommend an HA for lighter wind.
in his words:
It's more efficient and has more glide.
for me, he said the HA1150 would be enough for light wind.
I can imagine that being the case! What's your weight WST?
I've got the MA 1350 for my wife and tried it the other day in lighter wind to see if it gets me earlier up than the 1250HA. I was surprised by the speed and it was fun tacking and gybing but the 1250 HA got me up easier.........and is faster and therefore also more efficient through lulls. But as mentioned already, i am used to HA foils and know the technique to get them going. So the 1250HA is my goto in lightwind. But the 1350 MA is playful and easygoing - even easier to jibe and tack in turbulent waters, so as i have the luxury i will borrow it for difficult spots in light wind for "wavy" riding.
Select to expand quoteMProject04 said..WST said..
a friend of mine who also has the HA1050 would recommend an HA for lighter wind.
in his words:
It's more efficient and has more glide.
for me, he said the HA1150 would be enough for light wind.
I can imagine that being the case! What's your weight WST?
just 72kg
Select to expand quoteWST said..MProject04 said..WST said..
a friend of mine who also has the HA1050 would recommend an HA for lighter wind.
in his words:
It's more efficient and has more glide.
for me, he said the HA1150 would be enough for light wind.
I can imagine that being the case! What's your weight WST?
just 72kg
Same weight here!
Thanks Tintifax sharing that info! Good to hear the HA series allows for light wind too with the bigger sizes.
