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This wing looks very interesting -- the guy demoing it is an amazing foiler/winger.
www.instagram.com/tv/B_paA2liZXt/?igshid=ntroaicj26lq
I have a 6m and 4m Echo on order. Hopefully a 3.3m as well. Riding a boom wing is definitely a personal preference thing over handles. I learned on V1 Duotone wings and just got used to having a boom. I should mention it's not strictly a boom versus handle comparison. Duotones (even the Echo) have a bit more of that "V" shape compared to a Swing or S25. So not quite as stable when luffed (which everyone knows). Supposedly the Echos are much more luffable (a little less dihedral). BUT.....that v shape means they also roll from side to side during a tack much easier than the flatter wings which often need a helping push. I owned a 5.3 S25 for a brief period. It's an awesome wing, but tacking it, especially when fully powered, was never as easy for me as the Duotone.
Klaas is also on the new Fanatic high aspect ratio foil wing in that video. Very "glidey" wing and will be available in bigger sizes than one-size-fits-all approach of the Axis 1010.
Yeah, he responded to a direct question about the foil he was using in that promotional video. He posted another short video using the 6m Echo and the 1750 sq cm HA Fanatic wing in really light wind
Got my 7qm Duotone Echo - just some detail photos if somebody is intereseted
I have not been on the water yet (board comes tomorrow). As beginner to foiling I will be falling into the water quite often in the next few weeks :)
First thing I noticed while rigging it up was that the boom made a dent in the leading edge (on the reinforced area), but then I looked closely at some of the videos, and it seems to be the same there. They could have made the curve a bit flatter for the longer boom - maybe that is yet to come for boom V3 :)
Boom has changed (a bit oval and the locking mechanism). I think the writing is more difficult to read (top=new).
And why don't the just print the overall length on it?
You have to work it out by adding both together.
There is a padding behind the leading edge handle
It is quite strange to handle a Wing of that size - at least in the garden :)
I have put some more pics on thewingforum.com
No it is very stiff, maybe it is even stiffer when it digs into the leading edge.
I will see if I find some scales to weigh it.
Does new echo depower enough to use in surf? Just hold with no wind power while surf foiling
That seemingly poor match of the boom front end curve to the leading edge of the 7m (with the one end digging in a bit) does look a bit odd. The V1 Duotone's fit perfect. Those blue attachment lines loosen up over time resulting in a little boom wobble. You can just retighten them to get back to a stiff connection. Super easy to do.
If you want super light and ultra luffable stick with Fone, or consider the Duotone "Unit". I always luff my V1 Duotone by holding the front of the boom, not the front handle. I suspect I'll do the same with the Echo's. Despite any boom shortcomings I'll always prefer it over handles. And just watching Klaas you can see that big Echo's roll side to side easily during a tack. Just a benefit of that dihedral shape. Never liked tacking my S25 as much as the V1 Duotone. No right or wrong, just preferences....
Thanks Dommo49
nice to hear, I did not have any problems using the wing yet.
Only after the session when I unscrew the valve cap some air escapes, but the wing stays hard so I don't think it matters much.
And I have to add a bit of rope to the leash, as it is too short to get around the wing - I always remember that wehen I am in the water on the wrong side of the wing :)
Dommo,
Nice to know
. So I guess the one complaint that most new Echo owners have expressed is the odd mismatch in curvature radius with the boom end adaptor that presses up against the inflated leading edge. The molded adaptor has a smaller radius than the leading edge and tends to dig into it because of that. No effect on performance (in fact it locks the boom in even tighter), but I suppose it could affect the long term durability of the wing. I saw it with the long boom on the 6m and the short boom on the 4m.
Seems really odd they would design it that way given the first generation had a proper radius match.......
. So I guess the one complaint that most new Echo owners have expressed is the odd mismatch in curvature radius with the boom end adaptor that presses up against the inflated leading edge. The molded adaptor has a smaller radius than the leading edge and tends to dig into it because of that. No effect on performance (in fact it locks the boom in even tighter), but I suppose it could affect the long term durability of the wing. I saw it with the long boom on the 6m and the short boom on the 4m.
I emailed one of the UK Duotone rep's and he said, "there will always be a bit of an ident as there is a lot of pressure hooding the boom in place. it is designed this way and the bladder has a double layer to it for about 15" either side of the boom for wear and tear so longevity on this should be good."
I'm happy with this reply and from what Piros said I'll go for it and pump it up to 6psi, although I'll wait for a duotone pump as my existing pump is old and I don't trust the pressure gauge - can anyone recommend a specific pump/pressure gauge combo or even a separate pressure gauge that they have found to be reliable in terms of accuracy?
Hi
I am envisaging to buy a wing ( Duotone or other). For the moment I'd use it on a Bic Sup, without a foil, to have fun in light winds, as an alternative to paddling or windsurfing . Among other things, the advantage is that I don't have to go through the hassle of rigging and tuning the sail.. A wing is ready to go ! Eventually, though, I will buy a foil.
Whether eventually I buy a foil or not, I'll probably replace my 12 ft windsup with a smaller and shorter board as soon as I get a hang on using a wing. Probably a 135-145 lt volume .,
I'd like to know :
1 Can older, non dedicated boards be used for foiling, with a Deep Tuttle finbox?
Due to the wing and foil craze, the prices of dedicated foil boards are getting crazy, as sellers no doubt take advantage of this new hype to jack up their prices.I have seen packages over $ 3000 ! Why not an older Deep Tuttle board?
2. What board( even an older one) , is recommended for maximum stability when using a wing ?( No foil) Formula boards?
I have been doing some balance training on my SUP, trying to get on an off like I would do with a wing..
The width is about 85 cm in the middle , which is fine, except that it tapers considerably in the back, which makes it still wobbly without a mast and wishbone to hold on, even though the centerboard helps
I have seen people doing winGsurfing or wingfoiling on boards that are not only wide, but don't taper off as much in the rear. They seem to have practically the same width all along, which should make them very stable.
Any comments suggestions?
Thanks
Francone
So I've had a chance to ride my 6, 5, and 4m Echo a bit more. I'm generally pumping to around 7psi with my WMFG pump, but I always check by feel as well. I have a short and long oval boom and one of the original round booms. I've already gotten used to the small amount of leading edge "squeeze" from the boom front end. It's definitely a nice tight connection and doesn't seem like it's over stressing the leading edge.
Back to performance; the Echo's are great! Just the feel of the stiffer canopy, tighter leach tension and oval boom are significantly improved over the originals. Fast pumping onto the foil, generates more speed, far better upwind performance, easier to ride overpowered, better one hand luffing (I still like to hold the front of the boom rather than the front handle), and still good rolling behavior for tacking.
On quiver preference, you could probably go 7/5/4 or 6/4 without it being too gappy. I chose 6/5/4/3.3 just to be a bit indulgent
. I doubt I'll use the 3.3 all that much, but we do get a reasonable number of days over 30 knots
@Francone
Last year I did the same - 5m Duotone + ISUP
You should be fine with your SUP you just need a daggerboard or driftstopper (more here www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Foiling/Windwing-on-a-longboard)
But since I have my 2020 7m Duotone + Foilboard I haven't used the 5m anymore (wind on lake here mostly between 10 and 18 kts)
