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Sunova Carver Unboxed!

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Created by BWalnut > 9 months ago, 3 Jan 2024
warwickl
NSW, 2285 posts
10 Jan 2024 5:02PM
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I can't recall reading any comments that take the Planning width into account when discussing board widths.
Some boards have almost no side bevels and others Extreme bevels.
My board is 22.5in maximum width however, it has significant bevels and picks up speed very fast. The maximum planning width is, at a guess, 17in I'll measure it next time I have it out.
So how does my board compare to a 20in wide board with almost no bevels for maximising board speed to foil?

bolocom
NSW, 206 posts
10 Jan 2024 5:35PM
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BWalnut said..
First rides on it today and this board did not disappoint! Took it to three different spots and it dominated in all conditions from 9-45 knots. 95kg rider with wet gear on. 85l board.

Fastest wing board I've ever had to get off the water. Far friendlier and snappier in the air than my shorter 5'3". Went to a lightwind spot at sunset and set my PR for my Cloud IX 850 foil using a 4.2m wing in average 13 knots with lulls down to 9 knots. I'm certain I could have even ridden my 700 in that light of wind today

I can't imagine ever bothering with a shortboard again. In the strong winds this allowed me to use my smallest wing and smallest foil. In light winds I set my small foil PR. Gybes were fast and fun. Touchdowns were of zero consequence. Board was so light and fun in the air, the extra 3" in front of my front foot meant absolutely nothing in the air, this board was faster and better in every way.

So glad I got off the short board train. I'll never go back.


I would love to understand where are you coming from. In strong winds a board that sinks about a foot under water and doesn't fight you to float up is far easier than a board that is floating at the top getting pushed by the chop and wind. Not debatable. Grabbing the wing when you are a foot under water is far easier than floating at the top, not debate here either. The stronger the wind the larger this issue becomes, the better the smaller is.
if it doesn't sink enough and you are fighting the board, it's a pain. If it sinks to your neck, it's a pain. When it's super gusty or light, we all agree, volume and length are your friend.
If you are trying to have a one quiver board, then yes, a board like yours it's a good compromise. But there are better options when the wind is up, and you can do better if it is super light.
I just don't buy that it's great from 9 to 45knots.
and don't get me wrong, the fact that you are experimenting with your own money is amazing, and get all the benefits of a narrower board, but they are not magic. Being floating on top of the water with 45knots wind sucks! With 15, it's great!

BWalnut
567 posts
10 Jan 2024 3:34PM
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warwickl said..
I can't recall reading any comments that take the Planning width into account when discussing board widths.
Some boards have almost no side bevels and others Extreme bevels.
My board is 22.5in maximum width however, it has significant bevels and picks up speed very fast. The maximum planning width is, at a guess, 17in I'll measure it next time I have it out.
So how does my board compare to a 20in wide board with almost no bevels for maximising board speed to foil?


That's a great question but I'm not too sure to be honest. This board has pretty significant bevels in it and it did feel tippy once or twice but it was also always easy to recover. That would be a really cool thing to test if you could have each board made to the exact same specs, but that would be pretty pricey just to get that answer!

BWalnut
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10 Jan 2024 3:41PM
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leepasty said..
4m wing in 10 knots you must weigh 50kg ??


Today I used a 4m and my fs850 in lulls down to 9 knots. I weigh a little under 90kg dry in the morning, add food, water, wetsuit and I was probably at 95kg on an 85l board for it today.
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@bwalnut
be great if you can get some video of you getting on it and getting going in choppy confused water once you get out on it ??


Unfortunately this time of year is pretty miserable on the water so getting video footage would be quite tough. I don't know anyone who wants to stand on the beach when it's nuking and cold to do so!

ArthurAlston
NSW, 225 posts
10 Jan 2024 7:10PM
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...I also wonder about an alternate technique for getting up on narrow boards


The rodeo variant of the stinkbug works like a charm. Even in winds up to 30 knots and confused sea states. However, of course, it becomes progressively more difficult as the sea state becomes wilder. I've been riding an 18" board for about three months and that's how I start. I did have some frustration the first couple of times I had to get back on in 25-30 knots, like all new challenging things it takes some getting used to. I suspect that the more popular 20" wide boards will be correspondingly easier to get up.

My board is the same volume as my body weight - 85 L.

I would be curious as to how others start.

BWalnut
567 posts
10 Jan 2024 4:18PM
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ArthurAlston said..



The rodeo variant of the stinkbug works like a charm. Even in winds up to 30 knots and confused sea states. However, of course, it becomes progressively more difficult as the sea state becomes wilder. I've been riding an 18" board for about three months and that's how I start. I did have some frustration the first couple of times I had to get back on in 25-30 knots, like all new challenging things it takes some getting used to. I suspect that the more popular 20" wide boards will be correspondingly easier to get up.

My board is the same volume as my body weight - 85 L.

I would be curious as to how others start.



I agree with you that the rodeo stinkbug is a gem of a start. For the most part I still use just a traditional knee start and only occasionally use the stinkbug and rodeo. 20" will be my narrowest board to date for winging and I did notice a step down in stability from the 22" As the sessions go by I'll keep an eye on how often I have to switch to the rodeo on my new board.

bolocom
NSW, 206 posts
10 Jan 2024 7:24PM
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ArthurAlston said..



SpokeyDoke said..



...I also wonder about an alternate technique for getting up on narrow boards



The rodeo variant of the stinkbug works like a charm. Even in winds up to 30 knots and confused sea states. However, of course, it becomes progressively more difficult as the sea state becomes wilder. I've been riding an 18" board for about three months and that's how I start. I did have some frustration the first couple of times I had to get back on in 25-30 knots, like all new challenging things it takes some getting used to. I suspect that the more popular 20" wide boards will be correspondingly easier to get up.

My board is the same volume as my body weight - 85 L.

I would be curious as to how others start.


I am at -30 and knee on it no problem, board seats stable about a foot underwater and the wing is floating next to me, just have to duck under and put it over my head. Way easier than my 75l that I have to fight it like a wild horse and getting the wing over my head is quite difficult as well. The windier it gets the harder it is.
my sup is super easy in light wind, horrible when nuking. But in all 3 I knee start.

BWalnut
567 posts
10 Jan 2024 4:57PM
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MilesH said..

BWalnut said..





MilesH said..




Thanks not heard of that method before - sounds good.

Question - step 3 says 'put your mast on'. Where do you place it? As if it is a new board I don't yet know where to place it and the only reference I have is the electrical tape across the centre balance point?

(sorry probably just my lack of understanding )




All good

You'll need a reference measurement from a board that you've used and liked with that foil brand in the past. Since I ride Cloud IX I did the measurement on a board I own, to the mast location where I know it works. That's how I get a measurement of 12" behind balance point for Cloud IX foils.

So, take your foil off your existing board and get the correct measurement, then you can apply it to other boards.

Make sense?



Makes perfect sense now thanks


For what it's worth, I used this method today for my first flight and it was dead on. I'll experiment with it a bit to fine tune but I was completely happy with the way it rode today using those measurements.

SpokeyDoke
130 posts
10 Jan 2024 9:08PM
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BWalnut said..

warwickl said..
I can't recall reading any comments that take the Planning width into account when discussing board widths.
Some boards have almost no side bevels and others Extreme bevels.
My board is 22.5in maximum width however, it has significant bevels and picks up speed very fast. The maximum planning width is, at a guess, 17in I'll measure it next time I have it out.
So how does my board compare to a 20in wide board with almost no bevels for maximising board speed to foil?



That's a great question but I'm not too sure to be honest. This board has pretty significant bevels in it and it did feel tippy once or twice but it was also always easy to recover. That would be a really cool thing to test if you could have each board made to the exact same specs, but that would be pretty pricey just to get that answer!


This is also stuck in my mind looking at boards after watching Dominic Hoskyns in this video board review:




He talks about the benefits in having the rails pulled out and vertical for great planing surface, rather than a major bevel (IIRC)...


With that in mind, I think Dale Chapman may be on to something with The Crossing (and his previous designs):

www.instagram.com/p/C1x8a4RPl8r/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

BWalnut
567 posts
10 Jan 2024 11:58PM
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SpokeyDoke said..



BWalnut said..




warwickl said..
I can't recall reading any comments that take the Planning width into account when discussing board widths.
Some boards have almost no side bevels and others Extreme bevels.
My board is 22.5in maximum width however, it has significant bevels and picks up speed very fast. The maximum planning width is, at a guess, 17in I'll measure it next time I have it out.
So how does my board compare to a 20in wide board with almost no bevels for maximising board speed to foil?






That's a great question but I'm not too sure to be honest. This board has pretty significant bevels in it and it did feel tippy once or twice but it was also always easy to recover. That would be a really cool thing to test if you could have each board made to the exact same specs, but that would be pretty pricey just to get that answer!





This is also stuck in my mind looking at boards after watching Dominic Hoskyns in this video board review:




He talks about the benefits in having the rails pulled out and vertical for great planing surface, rather than a major bevel (IIRC)...


With that in mind, I think Dale Chapman may be on to something with The Crossing (and his previous designs):

www.instagram.com/p/C1x8a4RPl8r/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==




I saw that video too and thought it was interesting. Having used a foildrive, been a winger, and done dw sup, I think all those disciplines benefit from different hull shapes. His review is really foildrive based and that motor gives the most extremely stable amount of forward propulsion that is pushing the nose up. As such, I think that the completely flat bottomed boards get up to speed and skip off the water. When winging or doing dw sup, the propulsion is in more of a pulsing experience where we are pulled forward over the nose of the board, pushing it down. Dave Kalama has talked extensively about the way the board releases from water when pumping up onto foil and how much that matters.

So, as with most things in life, there is going to be situations where one works better than the other. In this specific circumstance the closest comparison I can offer is my Kalama e3 which has a flatter nose than my Carver. In really light winds the nose on the e3 occasionally sticks to the water and throws me over the front. With the Carver, I felt none of that and pushed it down pretty far into light wind conditions that first day trying it.

BWalnut
567 posts
11 Jan 2024 4:56AM
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Second session was a banger as well!

Lulls down to 9-10 knots again, average 14 knots. Gust to 19 knots.
85l board carver 5'10"x20"
90kg rider plus wetsuit
Cloud IX fs700 with catalyst stab. 66cm mast.
Cloud IX 4.2m Ho'Okipa wing

Yet another shocker, can't believe I got the 700 going in those conditions with that wing. Definitely another low end PR for that kit. A clear notch harder to get up on than the 850 but still very reasonable. The speed and maneuverability of the 700 plus catalyst with the 66cm mast was definitely outrunning me. Board was extremely fast rail to rail and yet, still very stable in gybes and efficient in upwind driving.
Loving this board !!

Rolavi
16 posts
12 Jan 2024 1:56AM
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Copied the same carver dims on new board made for me. It's my light to moderate wind board to compliment my smaller strapped boards. Shaper/builder had built similar shapes before so wasn't that much of a stretch to ask him for this. Thanks for the influence.






Microsurfer
141 posts
12 Jan 2024 3:49AM
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Rolavi said..
Copied the same carver dims on new board made for me. It's my light to moderate wind board to compliment my smaller strapped boards. Shaper/builder had built similar shapes before so wasn't that much of a stretch to ask him for this. Thanks for the influence.







I can't figure out the weight of it??? You should invest in a better set of scales

BWalnut
567 posts
12 Jan 2024 4:09AM
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Rolavi said..
Copied the same carver dims on new board made for me. It's my light to moderate wind board to compliment my smaller strapped boards. Shaper/builder had built similar shapes before so wasn't that much of a stretch to ask him for this. Thanks for the influence.







I love the color scheme. Board looks great! Any sessions yet?

BWalnut
567 posts
29 Jan 2024 9:02AM
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3rd session completed:
17 knots (13-23)
90kg rider
85l 5'10" Carver
46f degree air and 39f degree water (7.77c air and 3.88c water).
Cloud IX fs700 foil, catalyst stab, 66cm mast.
Cloud IX 4.2m SLE wing.

Yet another session on my tippiest/twitchiest kit ever. The short mast, small foil, and narrow board don't do you any favors. Winds were coming from an odd direction creating cross chop. Again, I could feel a decrease in balance but it was still totally doable as a knee start but I preferred the rodeo stinkbug today. Takes off like a lightning bolt as soon as you sit up.

100% overpowered with the 4.2m on this kit. The 700 launched out of the water without hesitation. Definitely should have rigged a 3.5m wing. Not sure if I could have made a 3m work though? More tests to come.

ArthurAlston
NSW, 225 posts
29 Jan 2024 1:25PM
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BWalnut said..
3rd session completed:
17 knots (13-23)
90kg rider
85l 5'10" Carver
46f degree air and 39f degree water (7.77c air and 3.88c water).
Cloud IX fs700 foil, catalyst stab, 66cm mast.
Cloud IX 4.2m SLE wing.

Yet another session on my tippiest/twitchiest kit ever. The short mast, small foil, and narrow board don't do you any favors. Winds were coming from an odd direction creating cross chop. Again, I could feel a decrease in balance but it was still totally doable as a knee start but I preferred the rodeo stinkbug today. Takes off like a lightning bolt as soon as you sit up.

100% overpowered with the 4.2m on this kit. The 700 launched out of the water without hesitation. Definitely should have rigged a 3.5m wing. Not sure if I could have made a 3m work though? More tests to come.


Curious: how do you define "100% overpowered"?

BWalnut
567 posts
29 Jan 2024 10:33AM
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ArthurAlston said..

BWalnut said..
3rd session completed:
17 knots (13-23)
90kg rider
85l 5'10" Carver
46f degree air and 39f degree water (7.77c air and 3.88c water).
Cloud IX fs700 foil, catalyst stab, 66cm mast.
Cloud IX 4.2m SLE wing.

Yet another session on my tippiest/twitchiest kit ever. The short mast, small foil, and narrow board don't do you any favors. Winds were coming from an odd direction creating cross chop. Again, I could feel a decrease in balance but it was still totally doable as a knee start but I preferred the rodeo stinkbug today. Takes off like a lightning bolt as soon as you sit up.

100% overpowered with the 4.2m on this kit. The 700 launched out of the water without hesitation. Definitely should have rigged a 3.5m wing. Not sure if I could have made a 3m work though? More tests to come.



Curious: how do you define "100% overpowered"?


Good question, and likely subjective. For me, If I have a session where every time I pump the wing I go straight up on to foil for my waterstart, that's over powered.

Just right means I need to work the board and wing and use good technique to get up.

Underpowered means I consistently have to wait long periods for a gust to pop me up.

In the air there are certain things I look for too, but I don't think they correlate well to the average riders style.

NikOnFoil
76 posts
29 Jan 2024 4:31PM
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At the moment I'm on a Cruzader Diamond 5'10 which is quite good. Wondering if a 5'6 Carver could do the job as well? 73 kg dry.

DWF
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29 Jan 2024 9:34PM
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At the moment I'm on a Cruzader Diamond 5'10 which is quite good. Wondering if a 5'6 Carver could do the job as well? 73 kg dry.






I'm not sure 5'6 is better than 5'10.

I have built 5'5, 6'2, 6'8, 7'6 skinny downwind style boards.

Ranking them by local riders who have tried them all.

56kg rider favorite is 6'2
73 kg rider favorite is 6'2. This rider thinks he'd be able to jump to the moon on the 6'2, if it had strap inserts.
85 kg rider favorite is 6'8

While the 5'5 is the shortest and most sporty, everyone thought longer was the most fun.

Taeyeony
114 posts
29 Jan 2024 11:39PM
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Here is my custom Carver. 5'10" 85L standard build with foot strap inserts. 5.6kg on the bathroom scale.
The color is so sick the dark wood deck with black carbon rail and gold logo is so nice.







I have 2 sessions on it in open ocean conditions with big messy chops. 15-20kt.
I'm 75kg dry with vest/waterbag/ board and foil weight, it just floats me on the surface. aka maximum instability condition.

You can see video of the sea condition on my instagram
www.instagram.com/p/C2jYP_JvHG8/?hl=en&img_index=6

The wind was blowing 20+ kts all night from left to right of the beach and this beach has strong tidal currents as it is on the south tip of Phuket island. Water flow in and out at about 3 kt at mid-tide on the high tide day. Sometimes I can't paddle back against the current when the wind drop completely.

This one is harder to start in the choppy sea compared to my DW (7'2" x 18" 103L) most come from fore-aft instability and lower buoyancy. The roll instability is a bit better since it 2" wider but it feels not very different.

It took me only a few minutes to get used to this board. I figured out the best method for getting up on your foot. Here is my detail on how to. This is easier than the stink bug method for the narrow board that roll from side to side easily.

Imagine you are in messy chop and strong wind with this board and want to start in regular stance.

1. Climb up the board and kneel low. Just focus on the balance. The wing should be on the right side of your board.
2. If you don't do anything the wind and wave will push the board pointing the nose downwind. this gives you bit a more stability.
3. Grab the LE handle with right hand and pass the LE handle to left hand and grab the front handle with right hand.
4. Twist the board using your wing to point the board to the beam reach (board perpendicular to the wind) the board should also moving forward a little.
5. Pass front handle from right hand to left hand and grab the rear handle with right hand. The board is now moving fast cross wind and you are very stable and can stand up and ride off.

Steps 3-5 should be smooth and fast. Step 4 is very important you should twist the board when your hands are on LE handle and front handle so the wind is not throw you off balance.

The Carver feels more agile on foil compared to the DW board. Glad that I get it. Will compare with DW in light wind day.

Seastudent
70 posts
29 Jan 2024 11:59PM
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Taeyeony said..
Here is my custom Carver. 5'10" 85L standard build with foot strap inserts. 5.6kg on the bathroom scale.
The color is so sick the dark wood deck with black carbon rail and gold logo is so nice.







I have 2 sessions on it in open ocean conditions with big messy chops. 15-20kt.
I'm 75kg dry with vest/waterbag/ board and foil weight, it just floats me on the surface. aka maximum instability condition.

You can see the condition in my instagram
www.instagram.com/p/C2jYP_JvHG8/?hl=en&img_index=6
The wind is blowing 20+ kts all night from left to right of the beach and this beach has strong tidal currents as it is on the south tip of Phuket island.

This one is harder to start in the choppy sea compared to my DW (7'2" x 18" 103L) most come from fore-aft instability and lower buoyancy. The roll instability is a bit better since it 2" wider but it feels not very different.

It took me only a few minutes to get used to this board. I figured out the best method for getting up on your foot. Here is my detail on how to. This is easier than the stink bug method for the narrow board that roll from side to side easily.

Imagine you are in messy chop and strong wind with this board and want to start in regular stance.

1. Climb up the board and kneel low. Just focus on the balance. The wing should be on the right side of your board.
2. If you don't do anything the wind and wave will push the board pointing the nose downwind. this gives you bit a more stability.
3. Grab the LE handle with right hand and pass the LE handle to left hand and grab the front handle with right hand.
4. Twist the board using your wing to point the board to the beam reach (board perpendicular to the wind) the board should also moving forward a little.
5. Pass front handle from right hand to left hand and grab the rear handle with right hand. The board is now moving fast cross wind and you are very stable and can stand up and ride off.

Steps 3-5 should be smooth and fast. Step 4 is very important you should twist the board when your hands are on LE handle and front handle so the wind is not throw you off balance.

The Carver feels more agile on foil compared to the DW board. Glad that I get it. Will compare with DW in light wind day.


"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's board..."
I have never lusted after someone else's gear so bad in my entire life.
That is sweet.

BWalnut
567 posts
30 Jan 2024 2:11AM
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NikOnFoil said..
At the moment I'm on a Cruzader Diamond 5'10 which is quite good. Wondering if a 5'6 Carver could do the job as well? 73 kg dry.


For what it's worth my length progression this year went as follows:
4'8" Kalama
8' Kalama
5'3" Kalama
5'10" Sunova

The Sunova is lightyears ahead of all my Kalama boards. I don't have any desire to make it shorter.


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Taeyeony said..
Here is my custom Carver. 5'10" 85L standard build with foot strap inserts. 5.6kg on the bathroom scale.
The color is so sick the dark wood deck with black carbon rail and gold logo is so nice.







I have 2 sessions on it in open ocean conditions with big messy chops. 15-20kt.
I'm 75kg dry with vest/waterbag/ board and foil weight, it just floats me on the surface. aka maximum instability condition.

You can see video of the sea condition on my instagram
www.instagram.com/p/C2jYP_JvHG8/?hl=en&img_index=6

The wind was blowing 20+ kts all night from left to right of the beach and this beach has strong tidal currents as it is on the south tip of Phuket island. Water flow in and out at about 3 kt at mid-tide on the high tide day. Sometimes I can't paddle back against the current when the wind drop completely.

This one is harder to start in the choppy sea compared to my DW (7'2" x 18" 103L) most come from fore-aft instability and lower buoyancy. The roll instability is a bit better since it 2" wider but it feels not very different.

It took me only a few minutes to get used to this board. I figured out the best method for getting up on your foot. Here is my detail on how to. This is easier than the stink bug method for the narrow board that roll from side to side easily.

Imagine you are in messy chop and strong wind with this board and want to start in regular stance.

1. Climb up the board and kneel low. Just focus on the balance. The wing should be on the right side of your board.
2. If you don't do anything the wind and wave will push the board pointing the nose downwind. this gives you bit a more stability.
3. Grab the LE handle with right hand and pass the LE handle to left hand and grab the front handle with right hand.
4. Twist the board using your wing to point the board to the beam reach (board perpendicular to the wind) the board should also moving forward a little.
5. Pass front handle from right hand to left hand and grab the rear handle with right hand. The board is now moving fast cross wind and you are very stable and can stand up and ride off.

Steps 3-5 should be smooth and fast. Step 4 is very important you should twist the board when your hands are on LE handle and front handle so the wind is not throw you off balance.

The Carver feels more agile on foil compared to the DW board. Glad that I get it. Will compare with DW in light wind day.


Awesome writeup and absolutely killer board design! You nailed a combo there that is gorgeous! The fully customizable options are something I love about Sunova.

ArthurAlston
NSW, 225 posts
30 Jan 2024 8:08AM
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Taeyeony said..
Here is my custom Carver. 5'10" 85L standard build with foot strap inserts. 5.6kg on the bathroom scale.
The color is so sick the dark wood deck with black carbon rail and gold logo is so nice.







I have 2 sessions on it in open ocean conditions with big messy chops. 15-20kt.
I'm 75kg dry with vest/waterbag/ board and foil weight, it just floats me on the surface. aka maximum instability condition.

You can see video of the sea condition on my instagram
www.instagram.com/p/C2jYP_JvHG8/?hl=en&img_index=6

The wind was blowing 20+ kts all night from left to right of the beach and this beach has strong tidal currents as it is on the south tip of Phuket island. Water flow in and out at about 3 kt at mid-tide on the high tide day. Sometimes I can't paddle back against the current when the wind drop completely.

This one is harder to start in the choppy sea compared to my DW (7'2" x 18" 103L) most come from fore-aft instability and lower buoyancy. The roll instability is a bit better since it 2" wider but it feels not very different.

It took me only a few minutes to get used to this board. I figured out the best method for getting up on your foot. Here is my detail on how to. This is easier than the stink bug method for the narrow board that roll from side to side easily.

Imagine you are in messy chop and strong wind with this board and want to start in regular stance.

1. Climb up the board and kneel low. Just focus on the balance. The wing should be on the right side of your board.
2. If you don't do anything the wind and wave will push the board pointing the nose downwind. this gives you bit a more stability.
3. Grab the LE handle with right hand and pass the LE handle to left hand and grab the front handle with right hand.
4. Twist the board using your wing to point the board to the beam reach (board perpendicular to the wind) the board should also moving forward a little.
5. Pass front handle from right hand to left hand and grab the rear handle with right hand. The board is now moving fast cross wind and you are very stable and can stand up and ride off.

Steps 3-5 should be smooth and fast. Step 4 is very important you should twist the board when your hands are on LE handle and front handle so the wind is not throw you off balance.

The Carver feels more agile on foil compared to the DW board. Glad that I get it. Will compare with DW in light wind day.


Beautiful. Even without Hokusai's The Wave it would have been a striking board. Are you Japanese by the way?

I will give your starting technique a go tomorrow. I use the rodeo-style stinkbug on my 5'10' Sultan Wing.

Given that you now have a DW and mid-length, in which conditions will you use each?

ArthurAlston
NSW, 225 posts
30 Jan 2024 8:22AM
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Curious: how do you define "100% overpowered"?



Good question, and likely subjective. For me, If I have a session where every time I pump the wing I go straight up on to foil for my waterstart, that's over powered.

Just right means I need to work the board and wing and use good technique to get up.

Underpowered means I consistently have to wait long periods for a gust to pop me up.

In the air there are certain things I look for too, but I don't think they correlate well to the average riders style.


OK, I can see how you come to that definition. Given that you like to use the smallest wing and foil combo, your definition makes sense. The definition works for me.

In the air, when my XPS wings have a short burst of leeward side flutter, then I objectively know I am overpowered. But by then, I've probably been fighting the wing in the air and getting up is difficult. Paradoxically, I find you have to do it quite slowly in overpowered conditions, or the wind will ruin the getting up.

Taeyeony
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30 Jan 2024 3:00PM
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Beautiful. Even without Hokusai's The Wave it would have been a striking board. Are you Japanese by the way?

I will give your starting technique a go tomorrow. I use the rodeo-style stinkbug on my 5'10' Sultan Wing.

Given that you now have a DW and mid-length, in which conditions will you use each?


I'm Thai.

But Hokusai's The Great Wave off Kanagawa is always one of my favorite artwork. I saw it many times in wood block museum in Japan or elsewhere.

If I knew Sunova will release the Carver I might not get the 18" DW board. But since I have it I will test the low end and compare.

I will try to SUP foiling the glassy swell if I have that conditions. I knew I can't paddle that thing in chops for now or forever. ^^

BWalnut
567 posts
5 Feb 2024 10:42AM
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4th and 5th Carver sessions:

4th:
20-37 knots (average 28)
Cloud IX fs700 foil with 66cm mast and catalyst stab.
Ocean Rodeo 3m wing with carbon handles.

This session was kind of a bust. The 3m floundered a bit on the second half of the session and I ended up having to swim in. Still, impressed with the Carver being matched up with the 700 for sure.

5th:
Last 100 minutes of attached wind gauge.
20-35 knots (average 26)
Cloud IX fs700 foil with 76cm mast and catalyst stab.
Cloud IX 3.5m wind wing.

This was my favorite session on the Carver so far. I was nervous about using the 3.5m wing in this much wind but what I realized after session 4 was that there is so little drag on this foil that once you are in the air the wing doesn't beat you up like you'd expect it to when you are hooked in. Session 5 was nice since there was no swimming involved and I started to open up the Carver with more genuine surfing, tip breaches on turns, and it started to feel like summer in the Gorge again.

I did a few stinkbug starts on session 4 but have found a quick knee start is still sufficient even in winds reaching towards 40 knots.

Carver negatives so far:
I don't like the deck pad much if I was to get another one I would request that they leave it off. I dislike that it is white (it's getting dirty) and that the grip runs linear along the board. If you are out of place on a knee start you have a small chance at sliding on the grip. No slippery sensation on my feet though. Unfortunately, it looks like this pad is REALLY glued on at the factory and removing it will be more of a hassle than usual.








Rolavi
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6 Feb 2024 4:47AM
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Copied the same carver dims on new board made for me. It's my light to moderate wind board to compliment my smaller strapped boards. Shaper/builder had built similar shapes before so wasn't that much of a stretch to ask him for this. Thanks for the influence.







I love the color scheme. Board looks great! Any sessions yet?

I am really enjoying it. 5 sessions in the past 2 weeks. Cold 40 degree air and water temp and stalled weather systems here in Maryland USA. I normally ride smaller strapped boards so this longer narrow shape and with no straps is taking a little time to dial in. I find it to be pretty easy to get up on even in swell and chop. For what I lose in roll stability I gain in front to back stability. It takes off like a torpedo and is lively for its length and thickness.
I ride it with sabfoil Medusa medium aspect foils of various sizes on 93cm mast. I think I want a shorter/stiffer mast and higher aspect foil. I think 93cm regular kraken mast on 5 1/8" thick narrow board with medium aspect foils is too much height and leverage against a mast thats not the stiffest. Maybe it's just my lack of skills. Regardless I am going to order sabfoil razor pro 875/975/86P to better compliment the board.





Rolavi
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6 Feb 2024 10:10PM
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BWalnut said..


Rolavi said..
Copied the same carver dims on new board made for me. It's my light to moderate wind board to compliment my smaller strapped boards. Shaper/builder had built similar shapes before so wasn't that much of a stretch to ask him for this. Thanks for the influence.







I love the color scheme. Board looks great! Any sessions yet?


I am really enjoying it. 5 sessions in the past 2 weeks. Cold 40 degree air and water temp and stalled weather systems here in Maryland USA. I normally ride smaller strapped boards so this longer narrow shape and with no straps is taking a little time to dial in. I find it to be pretty easy to get up on even in swell and chop. For what I lose in roll stability I gain in front to back stability. It takes off like a torpedo and is lively for its length and thickness.
I ride it with sabfoil Medusa medium aspect foils of various sizes on 93cm mast. I think I want a shorter/stiffer mast and higher aspect foil. I think 93cm regular kraken mast on 5 1/8" thick narrow board with medium aspect foils is too much height and leverage against a mast thats not the stiffest. Maybe it's just my lack of skills. Regardless I am going to order sabfoil razor pro 875/975/86P to better compliment the board.






Doesn't even look like a big board from a distance here in this photo from this morning's sunrise session. Wing iced over. 5'10"x20"x5 1/8". I have 16.5 lbs 7.5 kg of wet winter gear on. Cant wait to see how this board gets going out of the water in just board shorts.




BWalnut
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7 Feb 2024 12:19AM
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Rolavi said..


BWalnut said..



Rolavi said..
Copied the same carver dims on new board made for me. It's my light to moderate wind board to compliment my smaller strapped boards. Shaper/builder had built similar shapes before so wasn't that much of a stretch to ask him for this. Thanks for the influence.








I love the color scheme. Board looks great! Any sessions yet?



I am really enjoying it. 5 sessions in the past 2 weeks. Cold 40 degree air and water temp and stalled weather systems here in Maryland USA. I normally ride smaller strapped boards so this longer narrow shape and with no straps is taking a little time to dial in. I find it to be pretty easy to get up on even in swell and chop. For what I lose in roll stability I gain in front to back stability. It takes off like a torpedo and is lively for its length and thickness.
I ride it with sabfoil Medusa medium aspect foils of various sizes on 93cm mast. I think I want a shorter/stiffer mast and higher aspect foil. I think 93cm regular kraken mast on 5 1/8" thick narrow board with medium aspect foils is too much height and leverage against a mast thats not the stiffest. Maybe it's just my lack of skills. Regardless I am going to order sabfoil razor pro 875/975/86P to better compliment the board.







Doesn't even look like a big board from a distance here in this photo from this morning's sunrise session. Wing iced over. 5'10"x20"x5 1/8". I have 16.5 lbs 7.5 kg of wet winter gear on. Cant wait to see how this board gets going out of the water in just board shorts.





I should weigh all my wet gear too, that's a great point. Happy to hear someone else is braving the cold as well!

BWalnut
567 posts
7 Feb 2024 9:44AM
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85l Carver session 6:
100 minutes on foil.
7-17 knots (average 13)
Rider weight with all winter gear fully loaded: 99kg.
BAR+GF=4.36
BAR*GF=3
Foil: Cloud IX fs1150 with catalyst stab and 76cm mast.
Wing: Cloud IX Ho'okipa 4.2m

Phenomenal session. The Carver is fully capable of enjoying low and light wind conditions. Matched with my 4.2m and my fs1150 this will be my best lightwind kit to date I expect. I only had one period of slowish taxiing trying to get to a better wind takeoff location. On foil, the board pumps great and the fs1150 with the catalyst stab manages small swell beautifully. Great glide, very pumpable. Stoke continues on this gear.



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