Select to expand quotecauncy said..
About 15 years ago I remember watching steve Irwin and Malcolm Douglas with my young son,
I was thinking this is a country I want to live, people with a scence of adventure people with a love of nature
Fast forward 15 years and I'm living with a bunch that takes their kids to mardi gras
And wants to cull anything that interfers with their lifestyle,
hear hear
Select to expand quoteKozzie said..cauncy said..
About 15 years ago I remember watching steve Irwin and Malcolm Douglas with my young son,
I was thinking this is a country I want to live, people with a scence of adventure people with a love of nature
Fast forward 15 years and I'm living with a bunch that takes their kids to mardi gras
And wants to cull anything that interfers with their lifestyle,
hear hear
Without darkness you wouldn't Appreciate the light. Its necessary to have a quorum of clowns for the same reason.
Select to expand quotebusterwa said..
Looks like they will open up commercial fishing. The the sea shiptards and all its tree hugging hippies can direct there attention something a bit more important ( like move to asia and stop shark finning). Great to see the leaders addressing the issue. Great to see some action.
Razz as you keep saying you were a commercial fisherman. Even a shark fisherman can you please explain to this baboon how Opening the Metro area to commercial shark fishing will help with attacks from Great whites 
Especially as commercial shark fishing is not aloud to catch great whites, they only want smaller sharks, that don't attack people 
I look forward to this response..
Was any of the huggers in the ocean today? Most were here in front of the screen it seems.
You missed a great opportunity in a good sunny day, not too cold to pat, play and look your favorite ocean animal right in the eye.
Select to expand quotenovetti said..
Was any of the huggers in the ocean today? Most were here in front of the screen it seems.
You missed a great opportunity in a good sunny day, not too cold to pat, play and look your favorite ocean animal right in the eye.
Thats funny. The shark huggers aren't the ones too scared to enter the ocean, It's you screaming cullers that want protection from mummy, cause your scared of the big fishy 
Select to expand quotejbshack said...busterwa said..
Looks like they will open up commercial fishing. The the sea shiptards and all its tree hugging hippies can direct there attention something a bit more important ( like move to asia and stop shark finning). Great to see the leaders addressing the issue. Great to see some action.
Razz as you keep saying you were a commercial fisherman. Even a shark fisherman can you please explain to this baboon how Opening the Metro area to commercial shark fishing will help with attacks from Great whites
Especially as commercial shark fishing is not aloud to catch great whites, they only want smaller sharks, that don't attack people
I look forward to this response..
By thinning out their readily available food sources in the metro region to make them source food elsewhere. Whiskeries, gummies, bronzies, tigers. All food for great whites which is readily available in bulk.
Shark numbers are way out of whack. Not just whites but across the board. Ask anyone that fishes the north west. That combined with an unprecedented salmon season, all the demersal species moving in close to spawn, the highway of cold water pushing up from the southwest hugging the metro coast and the number of whites having doubled if not tripled since being protected. Numbers need reducing. Simple.
Select to expand quotejbshack said...busterwa said..
Looks like they will open up commercial fishing. The the sea shiptards and all its tree hugging hippies can direct there attention something a bit more important ( like move to asia and stop shark finning). Great to see the leaders addressing the issue. Great to see some action.
Razz as you keep saying you were a commercial fisherman. Even a shark fisherman can you please explain to this baboon how Opening the Metro area to commercial shark fishing will help with attacks from Great whites
Especially as commercial shark fishing is not aloud to catch great whites, they only want smaller sharks, that don't attack people
I look forward to this response..
Commercial shark (net fishing we are referencing) will only kill one or two great whites a year in the metro area so realistically it will have negligible effect.
It can be said however that great whites will avoid netted areas if possible and also their is research that sharks don't like the smell of dead sharks, I'm 50/50 on that as I have seen quite a few dead sharks bitten in half, to be honest I don't really like shark net fishing as they always end up with high by catch of Demersel and turtle etc etc. even I the man who wants to knock a few great whites off will be open/honest about this
Select to expand quoteRazzonater said..
jbshack said...
busterwa said..
Looks like they will open up commercial fishing. The the sea shiptards and all its tree hugging hippies can direct there attention something a bit more important ( like move to asia and stop shark finning). Great to see the leaders addressing the issue. Great to see some action.
Razz as you keep saying you were a commercial fisherman. Even a shark fisherman can you please explain to this baboon how Opening the Metro area to commercial shark fishing will help with attacks from Great whites
Especially as commercial shark fishing is not aloud to catch great whites, they only want smaller sharks, that don't attack people
I look forward to this response..
Commercial shark (net fishing we are referencing) will only kill one or two great whites a year in the metro area so realistically it will have negligible effect.
It can be said however that great whites will avoid netted areas if possible and also their is research that sharks don't like the smell of dead sharks, I'm 50/50 on that as I have seen quite a few dead sharks bitten in half, to be honest I don't really like shark net fishing as they always end up with high by catch of Demersel and turtle etc etc. even I the man who wants to knock a few great whites off will be open/honest about this
Yep thanks for that. So by killing of the metro fishing virtually they will take all their food away. What about the seals I understand they are not their only food source, but what will they do
Barnet employed Bond university way back before drum line to do a study on effectiveness of shark nets and drum lines. They said drum lines would not work and that nets would, but only by first killing of all the other fish that the sharks eat.. I really cant imagine people wanting our coast fishing stocks getting wiped out so a few surfers can feel comfortable..Im a little sceptical taking away the food from the great whites also 
Brave call..
I cant believe people are totting commercial fishing as a life saver..
Select to expand quotenovetti said..
Was any of the huggers in the ocean today? Most were here in front of the screen it seems.
You missed a great opportunity in a good sunny day, not too cold to pat, play and look your favorite ocean animal right in the eye.
I was out, didn't see any
Select to expand quotejbshack said...Razzonater said..
jbshack said...
busterwa said..
Looks like they will open up commercial fishing. The the sea shiptards and all its tree hugging hippies can direct there attention something a bit more important ( like move to asia and stop shark finning). Great to see the leaders addressing the issue. Great to see some action.
Razz as you keep saying you were a commercial fisherman. Even a shark fisherman can you please explain to this baboon how Opening the Metro area to commercial shark fishing will help with attacks from Great whites
Especially as commercial shark fishing is not aloud to catch great whites, they only want smaller sharks, that don't attack people
I look forward to this response..
Commercial shark (net fishing we are referencing) will only kill one or two great whites a year in the metro area so realistically it will have negligible effect.
It can be said however that great whites will avoid netted areas if possible and also their is research that sharks don't like the smell of dead sharks, I'm 50/50 on that as I have seen quite a few dead sharks bitten in half, to be honest I don't really like shark net fishing as they always end up with high by catch of Demersel and turtle etc etc. even I the man who wants to knock a few great whites off will be open/honest about this
Yep thanks for that. So by killing of the metro fishing virtually they will take all their food away. What about the seals I understand they are not their only food source, but what will they do
Barnet employed Bond university way back before drum line to do a study on effectiveness of shark nets and drum lines. They said drum lines would not work and that nets would, but only by first killing of all the other fish that the sharks eat.. I really cant imagine people wanting our coast fishing stocks getting wiped out so a few surfers can feel comfortable..Im a little sceptical taking away the food from the great whites also Brave call..
I cant believe people are totting commercial fishing as a life saver..
Seals, tricky subject, you see the great white takes twenty years ( same time as they have been protected) to actually build enough jaw strength to eat a mammal, unfortunately due to this we now have a large portion of the 500000 great white sharks which are at this size, teenage boys full of testosterone who have enough strength to eat a mammal........ Same sharks that are seen cage diving in south oz...
With greater seal numbers ( numbers exploded) their will be higher numbers of whites especially where seals aggregate ( little island, penguin island, rottnest, jurien marine park islands, lancelin, wedge, the little islands along the south coast etc etc) these don't need culling nor do the whales.... I don't want to net the whole coast or put 2000 shark hooks in the water everyday..
Reducing the sharks food with shark nets will not help it will kill a couple of whites and lower the food in the area but the repercussions are far greater than the reward.
In regards to drum lines, I'm going to be blunt and honest, drum lines do work, they are proven to work and furthermore if set correctly and monitored have a high high success rate.
In a perfect world the policy would work like this...
Example 1 : 4 metre great white seen following whales 10 nautical miles off rottnest, action taken : none not required, healthy shark going about its activities
Example 2: 4.5 metre great white seen at Cottesloe 500 metres from beach. Action taken, deploy shark hooks ( they need to be bigger on chain not wire crimp and baited with whale,tuna, or seal this assists with by catch problems/concern) catch shark and kill.
Example 3: shark reported at wedge near shore swimming between island and beach, initial action mobilise to area, if shark is seen next day deploy drum lines and catch/kill.
Once a shark has hung around on consecutive days it is stalking food, timing and waiting. They do not hang in close to shore to say hello, as soon as these signs are seen it is deploy drum line catch and kill.
Drum lines used like this are super effective with limited by catch and affect to the environment.
Shark nets, you know of course they will work to a degree, but in comparison to specifically targeted big fish the right thing to do is drumline.
In regards to how do we get bait for the shark hooks, well if fisheries cut off a couple tonne of whale meat off the next dead one that washes up and whacks it in the freezer they should be ok for bait for a season or two
Select to expand quoteRazzonater said..jbshack said...Razzonater said..
jbshack said...
busterwa said..
Looks like they will open up commercial fishing. The the sea shiptards and all its tree hugging hippies can direct there attention something a bit more important ( like move to asia and stop shark finning). Great to see the leaders addressing the issue. Great to see some action.
Razz as you keep saying you were a commercial fisherman. Even a shark fisherman can you please explain to this baboon how Opening the Metro area to commercial shark fishing will help with attacks from Great whites
Especially as commercial shark fishing is not aloud to catch great whites, they only want smaller sharks, that don't attack people
I look forward to this response..
Commercial shark (net fishing we are referencing) will only kill one or two great whites a year in the metro area so realistically it will have negligible effect.
It can be said however that great whites will avoid netted areas if possible and also their is research that sharks don't like the smell of dead sharks, I'm 50/50 on that as I have seen quite a few dead sharks bitten in half, to be honest I don't really like shark net fishing as they always end up with high by catch of Demersel and turtle etc etc. even I the man who wants to knock a few great whites off will be open/honest about this
Yep thanks for that. So by killing of the metro fishing virtually they will take all their food away. What about the seals I understand they are not their only food source, but what will they do
Barnet employed Bond university way back before drum line to do a study on effectiveness of shark nets and drum lines. They said drum lines would not work and that nets would, but only by first killing of all the other fish that the sharks eat.. I really cant imagine people wanting our coast fishing stocks getting wiped out so a few surfers can feel comfortable..Im a little sceptical taking away the food from the great whites also Brave call..
I cant believe people are totting commercial fishing as a life saver..
Seals, tricky subject, you see the great white takes twenty years ( same time as they have been protected) to actually build enough jaw strength to eat a mammal, unfortunately due to this we now have a large portion of the 500000 great white sharks which are at this size, teenage boys full of testosterone who have enough strength to eat a mammal........ Same sharks that are seen cage diving in south oz...
With greater seal numbers ( numbers exploded) their will be higher numbers of whites especially where seals aggregate ( little island, penguin island, rottnest, jurien marine park islands, lancelin, wedge, the little islands along the south coast etc etc) these don't need culling nor do the whales.... I don't want to net the whole coast or put 2000 shark hooks in the water everyday..
Reducing the sharks food with shark nets will not help it will kill a couple of whites and lower the food in the area but the repercussions are far greater than the reward.
In regards to drum lines, I'm going to be blunt and honest, drum lines do work, they are proven to work and furthermore if set correctly and monitored have a high high success rate.
In a perfect world the policy would work like this...
Example 1 : 4 metre great white seen following whales 10 nautical miles off rottnest, action taken : none not required, healthy shark going about its activities
Example 2: 4.5 metre great white seen at Cottesloe 500 metres from beach. Action taken, deploy shark hooks ( they need to be bigger on chain not wire crimp and baited with whale,tuna, or seal this assists with by catch problems/concern) catch shark and kill.
Example 3: shark reported at wedge near shore swimming between island and beach, initial action mobilise to area, if shark is seen next day deploy drum lines and catch/kill.
Once a shark has hung around on consecutive days it is stalking food, timing and waiting. They do not hang in close to shore to say hello, as soon as these signs are seen it is deploy drum line catch and kill.
Drum lines used like this are super effective with limited by catch and affect to the environment.
Shark nets, you know of course they will work to a degree, but in comparison to specifically targeted big fish the right thing to do is drumline.
In regards to how do we get bait for the shark hooks, well if fisheries cut off a couple tonne of whale meat off the next dead one that washes up and whacks it in the freezer they should be ok for bait for a season or two
My question sorry was more were and what will all the seals do when all the food is also gone I understand about size, growth and diet changes. Just curious what the seals will eat. Or do you think they'll all leave also
So your points are complete opposite to what Barnet got for his $250000 report from Bond Uni.. Shame he should have paid you instead, you could have even used some of your pretty picks in your report..
Maybe someone should go draw a line in the ocean and tell the big scary sharks to not cross it.. Or people who cant except the ocean is a wild environment can use the line were the sand stops..
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Reminded me of Buster and his scared little buddies
Buster is a cool cat, he like many others( myself included) has had enough of poor fisheries management.
Look jb I know you want to hug the sharks and I get that, we on the other hand want to knock quite a few of them off... Now neither party is truly correct or wanting the best ecological outcome,,,,,,,but if we meet in the middle as per the above three examples it will
A) reduce attacks ie the Cottesloe shark hung around for days, as did the one at wedge and lefthanders, if they were caught in line with the above examples you could still kick off and say how do we know it prevents attacks, we could respond prevention is better than cure, knowing what is common public knowledge we can nip it in the bud.
B) target specific sharks in specific areas ( best practice)
C) stop "rogue sharks" serial offenders" prior to their second/third chance at it (ie Cottesloe )
D) limited by catch ( not killing things for the sake of killing)
E) allow scientists (real ones who do stuff and not just talk about it) to study the captured and dead sharks
F) set in place standards and allow transparency to the public the community and more importantly the individual water user
G) it's called middle ground it's the most the chillers would yield and even you shark hugging people couldn't kick off too hard about it. It's the responsible, ethical and morally correct way to manage it.
That's it I'm signing out of shark wars, I had a good little surf today and the mind is still ticking in the water.. But you gotta move on, roll those shoulders and get into a few... This shark debate isn't healthy, I know people are passionate but it's exhausting everyone has different filters and life experience.
I'm out
( if I see ridiculous posts I will resort too posting dead great whites as a silent protest but that's it)
Select to expand quoteRazzonater said..
500000 great white sharks
Where the hell do you get that figure from?!?!
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said...Razzonater said..
500000 great white sharks
Where the hell do you get that figure from?!?!
The shark huggers are quoting 750 which is a ridiculous gross underestimate based upon smoke and mirrors cloak and daggers, to be equally ridiculous I stated 500000. To be quite honest it is in excess of 250000 however this also includes juveniles...
Select to expand quoteRazzonater said..Kamikuza said...Razzonater said..
500000 great white sharks
Where the hell do you get that figure from?!?!
The shark huggers are quoting 750 which is a ridiculous gross underestimate based upon smoke and mirrors cloak and daggers, to be equally ridiculous I stated 500000. To be quite honest it is in excess of 250000 however this also includes juveniles...
Thats not true Razz. The 750 number was from science and it was for breeding age sharks. Not the entire number of great white, don't deliberately miss quote fro the sake of an argument...
Also as for the sharks hanging around in one area, you forget fisheries have this info, they have tagged sharks that one tag set of a receiver in North Perth only to have it later that day ping over 50 miles away. They know they are not hanging around in one spot..
Having said that, i do think people should stay out of the water.. Especially until something changes..
Select to expand quoteRex said...DARTH said...R1DER said..nebbian said...
Those pictures absolutely sicken and disgust me.
I'm ashamed to be part of the same race that can condone such cruelty 
I hope your a vegan with that comment and don't support the slaughter of cows sheep fish pigs and chickens. if you have a dog or cat I hope they're vegan too.
Bull sh!t rider that gets trotted out every time, means nothing...
Its was a reasonable comment, he was ashamed of being part of a race that condoned such cruelty. Where does he sit on all the other cruelty that gets condoned.
Thankyou Rex
Select to expand quoteRazzonater said..Kamikuza said...Razzonater said..
500000 great white sharks
Where the hell do you get that figure from?!?!
The shark huggers are quoting 750 which is a ridiculous gross underestimate based upon smoke and mirrors cloak and daggers, to be equally ridiculous I stated 500000. To be quite honest it is in excess of 250000 however this also includes juveniles...
You're dreaming. 5,000 is the high end of the estimated numbers surveyed off the east coast of the US, 3,000 in SA. These things migrate all over the show too. If you'd said 25,000 I might have thought that about right.
Perhaps you were thinking off the number of dollars in the fine for illegally catching them?
Holy shart!!!! This thread has been top of the pops for about three weeks now. Who gives a shart???
Go in the salt water in WA and you are shart food.
Go in the salt water in Qld and you are croc food.
Crocs were culled for 150 years and still survived and now they train them to jump.
You guys from both sides of this argument need to get over it.
Select to expand quotebusterwa said...
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH You have to run your own small business cause your always right. Cant execute basic orders, cant handle authority don't listen. ... Cant get a job anywhere else?
You are funny.
Select to expand quotecisco said...
Holy shart!!!! This thread has been top of the pops for about three weeks now. Who gives a shart???
Go in the salt water in WA and you are shart food.
Go in the salt water in Qld and you are croc food.
Crocs were culled for 150 years and still survived and now they train them to jump.
You guys from both sides of this argument need to get over it.
We we want this thread to beat Michael Jackson and The Beatles for longest time at number one.
so scared jbs if ever I'm In joondalup I'm gonna skull 4 litres of ice coffee and go roodog your letterbox
Select to expand quotebusterwa said...
so scared jbs if ever I'm In joondalup I'm gonna skull 4 litres of ice coffee and go roodog your letterbox
You really are a beauty, aren't you?
Select to expand quoteR1DER said..
Rex said...
DARTH said...
R1DER said..
nebbian said...
Those pictures absolutely sicken and disgust me.
I'm ashamed to be part of the same race that can condone such cruelty
I hope your a vegan with that comment and don't support the slaughter of cows sheep fish pigs and chickens. if you have a dog or cat I hope they're vegan too.
Bull sh!t rider that gets trotted out every time, means nothing...
Its was a reasonable comment, he was ashamed of being part of a race that condoned such cruelty. Where does he sit on all the other cruelty that gets condoned.
Thankyou Rex
Rex is wrong, killing for food = ok killing for sport (any sport) = not ok.
Select to expand quotebusterwa said..
so scared jbs if ever I'm In joondalup I'm gonna skull 4 litres of ice coffee and go roodog your letterbox
Feel free to call in anytime
Be sure to pipe up in person though, its always easy to hide behind anonymity.. 
Select to expand quoteDARTH said...
Rex is wrong, killing for food = ok killing for sport (any sport) = not ok.
But it's not okay to apply that same logic to a great white when it kills a human and doesn't eat most of it?
Select to expand quoteThinkaBowtit said..DARTH said...
Rex is wrong, killing for food = ok killing for sport (any sport) = not ok.
But it's not okay to apply that same logic to a great white when it kills a human and doesn't eat most of it?
I have no problems with killing one IF they know its the shark responsible.
The part about this issue that I hate is that people are using these deaths as an excuse to kill sharks.
Select to expand quoteDARTH said..
Rex is wrong, killing for food = ok killing for sport (any sport) = not ok.
Culling is good edological management.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..DARTH said..
Rex is wrong, killing for food = ok killing for sport (any sport) = not ok.
Culling is good ecological management.
Yep kangaroos etc, agree.
