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Created by evlPanda > 9 months ago, 8 Sep 2013
jusavina
QLD, 1460 posts
18 Sep 2013 11:25AM
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Harrow said..

Cancelled due to 'high' winds? How can 20 knots be the upper limit? We usually sit on the beach waiting until the NE builds to 20 knots!

Would have been the most exciting race day so far.


If you had only your 10m and 130l board slalom kit (valued at $15 millions) to use and you were able to go at 40 knt downwind, I'm sure you'd call 20 knt the top wind limit too

Macroscien
QLD, 6806 posts
18 Sep 2013 11:26AM
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Tragic reminder



sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
18 Sep 2013 12:00PM
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Macroscien said..

Tragic reminder



Macro,
The first vid is the AC40 boat - it was the AC72 that the accident happened.

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
18 Sep 2013 10:23PM
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A nice short clip that covers all the questions you may have had about the AC72 foils. Interestingly the AC72 class was not initially meant to be have hydrofoils. Seems to be a rule exploit by the Kiwi's, and quickly followed up by the other teams.



and another about how the wing sails are adjusted for ideal camber.

Battle
536 posts
18 Sep 2013 11:49PM
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^^ These boats are just awesome! Let's go Oracle! ( If only to prolong the racing)

busterwa
3777 posts
19 Sep 2013 12:14AM
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Wow Good topic and post good to see the technology .Such a technical sport Shame we dont get much coverage over here on mainstream tv.

Chris_M
2129 posts
19 Sep 2013 4:38AM
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Today's the day! C'mon NZ!

My period 1 and 2 classes will be forced to watch yachting rather than learn stuff today he he he

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
19 Sep 2013 7:43AM
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One to go hey cuzzy bro
Geez USA had a great downwind leg but couldn't just get the break.

gibberjoe
SA, 956 posts
19 Sep 2013 7:37AM
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Great posts..........thanks

Ted the Kiwi
NSW, 14256 posts
19 Sep 2013 8:26AM
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Dam the wind that s an awesome effort from Dean at the start!!!

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
19 Sep 2013 11:07AM
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busterwa said..

Wow Good topic and post good to see the technology .Such a technical sport Shame we dont get much coverage over here on mainstream tv.


Is mainstream TV still mainstream?

Macroscien
QLD, 6806 posts
19 Sep 2013 3:18PM
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Truly amazing that they managed to prefect AC boats that could perform and excel at such low winds.
For me 20 ktn is time when I can go on the water and hardly get planning.
For that reason I also never managed to test my speed against moths here on G.C.
When wind is just getting right for me, they must already leave the water.

Think about that. The AC crew start the boat at moderate wind breeze 15- 20 ktn and in few seconds their apparent wind is 50 -60 ktn. We could not observe that easy as not many flopping free objects on that board to get perspective on the wind the crew feel.

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
19 Sep 2013 2:19PM
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Macroscien said..
Truly amazing that they managed to prefect AC boats that could perform and excel at such low winds.

For me 20 ktn is time when I can go on the water and hardly get planning.

For that reason I also never managed to test my speed against moths here on G.C.

When wind is just getting right for me, they must already leave the water.

Think about that. The AC crew start the boat at moderate wind breeze 15- 20 ktn and in few seconds their apparent wind is 50 -60 ktn. We could not observe that easy as not many flopping free objects on that board to get perspective on the wind the crew feel.


20knt is a respectable amount of wind if you are sailing something with more than 10m2 of sail! I got my Farr 740 main sail in the water in that sort of wind despite a nice 400 KG lump of lead attached down below!

Ted the Kiwi
NSW, 14256 posts
20 Sep 2013 7:21AM
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great start from Jimmy......he is amazing before the line.....lighter winds today. Lets see how Oracle performs upwind in these lighter winds.

Ted the Kiwi
NSW, 14256 posts
20 Sep 2013 7:35AM
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Great race from Jimmy sadly - he looks to have this one sown up

Ted the Kiwi
NSW, 14256 posts
20 Sep 2013 8:10AM
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Looks like the wind will win this next race at this stage

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
20 Sep 2013 8:14AM
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Ted, you must be a basket case after that although the probability of nz losing is the same as Greg Norman's with his lead going into the final day of the 96 masters. Oh hang on he lost that, didn't he.

Ted the Kiwi
NSW, 14256 posts
20 Sep 2013 8:19AM
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Stop it sausage or I shall put you in a roll and doze you with T sauce!!!! We need no reminders of those that have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory....the longer this regatta goes on the worse our chances are as Oracle are gaining boat speed every night. My heart is pumping.

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
20 Sep 2013 11:47AM
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Just to ease the nerves Ted , but can you just imagine if it gets to 8 points all! Hard to fathom at the moment but stranger things have happened.

Battle
536 posts
21 Sep 2013 1:08AM
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Race 12: Did NZ purposely blow the start? They had every opportunity to grab the favored left side, and allowed Oracle to hook them instead...... ?
Any way, more racing coming up!

Ted the Kiwi
NSW, 14256 posts
21 Sep 2013 7:08AM
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That was a very poor start from Dean - he looked like he had him then he got smashed by the master.

Racing getting set again now - lets hope we get this first one - but we do have the disadvantage at the start so not expecting much.....although we do like the light winds.

Ted the Kiwi
NSW, 14256 posts
21 Sep 2013 7:50AM
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Looks like we are about to get beaten by the wind for the third time this final series whilst being in control of the race....ahhhh

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
21 Sep 2013 8:08AM
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Ted,
There's some guys in white coats outside your house waiting to take you to the loony bin.
Bad start by nz but geez they showed their superiority in light wind. R13 - unlucky for some, lucky for others. Gotta feel for them.

Ted the Kiwi
NSW, 14256 posts
21 Sep 2013 8:22AM
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Thanks sausage....can you believe that we finally get the port tack initiative and the windows not favor it....then we recover but get beaten by the clock.....the good news is that we looked great - superior tactics , boat speed and importantly team work. Let's see if they can do it this next race.

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
21 Sep 2013 8:34AM
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Ted the Kiwi said..

Thanks sausage....can you believe that we finally get the port tack initiative and the windows not favor it....then we recover but get beaten by the clock.....the good news is that we looked great - superior tactics , boat speed and importantly team work. Let's see if they can do it this next race.


Is the 2nd race cancelled for today? Again!!??

Does the 23 knot rule only apply at the beginning of the race? What if the wind picks up substantially during the race, I guess they keep on going?

Ted the Kiwi
NSW, 14256 posts
21 Sep 2013 8:49AM
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If its breached thought the first 3 legs it's abandoned.

Men in white suits have entered the building sausage......

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
21 Sep 2013 9:06AM
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Oh could this get any better.

Harrow,
30sec wind limit average pre start, 5min average post start.

Ian K
WA, 4048 posts
21 Sep 2013 8:02AM
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What's that 3 races now cancelled due to wind limits with NZ in front? Barring major gear failure, which apparently would greatly favour the US in each teams no.2 boats, NZ should win from here. ( Fortunately professional fouls aren't in the spirit of America's Cup racing.)

But in Auckland, will the design rules be modified? Foiling was slipped in under rules that were designed without foiling in mind. Keeping those boats stable on the foils looks tricky. Would allowing a configuration like Hydroptere make them easier to sail, though not necessarily faster? Maybe that would detract from the event.



sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
22 Sep 2013 8:38AM
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Argh, very frustrating. Maybe tomorrow morning.
Ian K,
My limited understanding is that the defending team (more than likely ETNZ) for the 35th America's cup will decide what type of race format and therefore boat design. So hopefully they maintain the spectator quality and hold it in close confines of Auckland harbour. Afterthe ssuccess of this one I can't see them reverting back to holding racing way out to sea.

CJW
NSW, 1718 posts
22 Sep 2013 10:49AM
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sausage said..

Argh, very frustrating. Maybe tomorrow morning.
Ian K,
My limited understanding is that the defending team (more than likely ETNZ) for the 35th America's cup will decide what type of race format and therefore boat design. So hopefully they maintain the spectator quality and hold it in close confines of Auckland harbour. Afterthe ssuccess of this one I can't see them reverting back to holding racing way out to sea.


I agree, I think the best thing about this cup is the fact that it's so much better for the spectators. Fantastic race coverage, awesome venue, great course size/design and the result is the closest racing we've seen in the Americas cup for decades. Hopefully ETNZ wins and the cup heads back to the southern hemisphere, they have another great venue there in Auckland habour and could create a very similar atmosphere.

If they win i'm not sure how far they will tweak the rules, however I'm fairly certain after the success of the AC72 class surely the next cup would be held in something similar. Maybe slightly smaller to try and reduce the costs a bit more or rule changes to limit the use of certain materials etc etc. It would be great if there were more teams that could enter the LV cup but as it stands the costs are fairly prohibitive to anyone but tech billionaires.



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