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Created by GypsyDrifter > 9 months ago, 29 Mar 2010
GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
13 May 2010 10:17PM
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New laws crackdown on people smugglers
May 13, 2010, 8:02 pm


People smugglers will find it harder to ply their trade after parliament approved tough new laws.

The federal government's bill, supported by the opposition, creates two new people smuggling crimes.

Smuggling ventures to Australia that involve exploitation or the danger of serious harm or death will carry a maximum jail term of 20 years.

The other new offence, with a maximum 10 year jail term, targets people who provide material support for smuggling activities.

That will include assistance such as cash, false documents and transport, but won't apply to people who pay a smuggler for their or a relative's passage.

Intelligence and law enforcement agencies will get new phone tapping and surveillance powers too.

Despite backing the legislation, the coalition took the opportunity to slander Labor's border protection record during the debate.

"(People smuggling) is an organised, corrupt trade that this government has inaugurated," opposition defence spokesman David Johnston told parliament on Thursday.

Independent senator Nick Xenophon said people smugglers profited from the desperation of others, and their trade should be curbed.

"As a country we should be taking steps to try and deter smugglers who charge exorbitant fees and offer pie in the sky promises, only to put their charges lives at risk in rickety boats in rough seas," he said.

However, Senator Xenophon and the Australian Greens both expressed concerns about the legislation's possible unintended consequences, such as breaching Australia's international human rights obligations.
A Greens amendment to the draft laws which sought to address this issue was defeated, with Labor minister Penny Wong saying the bill was a measured response to people smuggling activities.

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
14 May 2010 10:53PM
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Asylum boat lands 'undetected'
NICK BUTTERLY CANBERRA,
May 14, 2010, 2:15 am

These people drove their boat straight up to the jetty on Xmas Island WTF




According to the Rudd Government, this is the moment the latest boatload of asylum seekers was "successfully intercepted" by Border Protection Command.

But authorities were nowhere to be seen when the boat with 55 people chugged unhindered into Christmas Island's Flying Fish Cove yesterday morning.

"They actually crashed the bow of the boat as it smashed into the jetty," one witness said.

But the Government tells it differently.

"Border Protection Command today successfully intercepted a suspected irregular entry vessel," Home Affairs Minister Brendan O'Connor said. "HMAS Glenelg, operating under the control of Border Protection Command, intercepted the vessel during this morning near Christmas Island."

In fact, HMAS Glenelg only rushed to the scene after locals radioed the navy, warning that a boat had arrived at the Indian Ocean island under its own steam.

It is understood islanders helped guide the asylum seeker boat away from the jetty and told them to tie up at a buoy where they should wait for the navy.

"If this is a successful interception, I would hate to see an unsuccessful one," shadow border security minister Michael Keenan said yesterday.

"The people smugglers are now delivering direct to Christmas Island."

The vessel is the eighth to make it to Australian waters this month.

Personnel check the latest asylum boat.

Such is the number of people now arriving that the Christmas Island detention centre is again close to being full, even though the Government recently lifted capacity by almost 400 beds.

The Prime Minister's sensitivity to the boat people issue was exposed yesterday when a Government staffer accidentally forwarded an email chain to reporters showing how all press releases about new vessel arrivals had to be cleared by Mr Rudd's office.

The emails also showed how advisers in Mr Rudd's office were keen to work into press releases the message that the Government was tough on boat people because it had spent up big on the issue during this week's Federal Budget.

Fifty-seven boats have now arrived in Australian waters this year.

The Government's much criticised announcement in April to suspend the processing of asylum visas for Sri Lankans and Afghans for three and six months respectively seems to have had little effect on the flow of boats to Australia.
Nineteen boats have arrived since the visa ban came into force.

cisco
QLD, 12325 posts
15 May 2010 3:20PM
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I don't know where you are getting these bulletins from GD but keep them coming please.

It is highlighting the hypocracy rife in this government.

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
15 May 2010 4:18PM
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cisco said...



It is highlighting the hypocracy rife in this government.


Thats how I feel criso

cisco
QLD, 12325 posts
15 May 2010 10:01PM
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I understand Grippy Diddler.

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
16 May 2010 11:05AM
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cisco said...

I don't know where you are getting these bulletins from GD


Its from the newspaper that all newspapers are judged - given that the standard of journalism is so high - The West

stamp
QLD, 2770 posts
16 May 2010 1:59PM
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if i ate alphabet soup i reckon i could crap out better quality journalism than what's published in the west australian.

crusher
NT, 104 posts
16 May 2010 2:49PM
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Hey gypsy Im curious what is your beef exactly ?

Is it the types of people coming by boat or the method?

Do you think the vietnamese had a valid reason for coming here by boat in the 70's?

Did the refugees from greece and italy that came here after the 2nd world war have any valid excuse for shipping over with no money or formal skills?

What about the orphans from pom land 80 odd years ago?

Do you have any issues with the organised immigration process ? ( Is it ok for a person to come here on a student visa and expect to get permanent residency on completing their hairdressing diploma)

Was it ok for the English 200 + years ago to arrive by boat without any formal invitation?

How far back can you trace your Australian Heritage ?

Just some things that pop into my head when reading your posts here!





GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
16 May 2010 3:01PM
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stamp said...

if i ate alphabet soup i reckon i could crap out better quality journalism than what's published in the west australian.



Yes I agree how about we all have alphabet soup and see what pops out

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
16 May 2010 3:34PM
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crusher said...

Hey gypsy Im curious what is your beef exactly ?

Is it the types of people coming by boat or the method?

Do you think the vietnamese had a valid reason for coming here by boat in the 70's?

Did the refugees from greece and italy that came here after the 2nd world war have any valid excuse for shipping over with no money or formal skills?

What about the orphans from pom land 80 odd years ago?

Do you have any issues with the organised immigration process ? ( Is it ok for a person to come here on a student visa and expect to get permanent residency on completing their hairdressing diploma)

Was it ok for the English 200 + years ago to arrive by boat without any formal invitation?

How far back can you trace your Australian Heritage ?

Just some things that pop into my head when reading your posts here!


This was my 1st page post "VENT" if you like!...it's just that crusher a vent...words of the moment..nothing more nothing less...

"""Sorry for Venting..
But Now at our 32nd uninvited boat for the year...
I am pretty unimpressed...

I understand that times are tougher and people will risk their lives in
a crappy boat with crappy conditions...

But i want to see it STOPPED....Not slowed down...not more boats...
Just Stopped.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And whats this business of heading to Christmas Island..
Heading there....So has every one heard our country is run by idiots!!
What? are they just going straight to Christmas Island...instead of the extra sea
miles and cost getting to the Australia Coast....

I know the good sea weather for these trips are nearly over for the year...but we shall see...
The last boat had 3 Crew...what 3 paid crew....the last one 4 crew...
What are we just a pattsie country with no backbone...
ggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Again Sorry for the vent.""""


And now for me..it is almost a daily account were I copy and paste articles from The West about what is happening at the moment (well their account at least)

You ask me about all the stuff that has happened before...

Is it the types of people coming by boat or the method? NO!

Do you think the vietnamese had a valid reason for coming here by boat in the 70's? Don't know and as it is 40 years later don't think I care!

Did the refugees from greece and italy that came here after the 2nd world war have any valid excuse for shipping over with no money or formal skills? Probably! Very small population then and dam we would have needed so good tasting food and coffee after having mostly english people here all that time

What about the orphans from pom land 80 odd years ago? 20 more years and non will be alive to tell of their wows..(as important they are to them right now)

Do you have any issues with the organised immigration process ? ( Is it ok for a person to come here on a student visa and expect to get permanent residency on completing their hairdressing diploma) If it is the law of this country that they can do so then yes (but not over stay a visa)

Was it ok for the English 200 + years ago to arrive by boat without any formal invitation? well this one crusher is hindsight ...and hindsight is always different after the fact

How far back can you trace your Australian Heritage ? Not to far crusher...

But it is not the people that bother me..it's this stupid backboneless government that need to stand up for all of us and grow some goolies and be seen by Australians and the world to be doing something constructive and not frigging uming and aring about ever thing and not wanting to be seen standing on other peoples toes..Our Kevin7 seems to do a merry dance when anything hard nosed needs to be done..

So for goodness sake lets proses these people and lets get back to the bigger things that are going on in our country and the world...


Just some things that pop into my head when reading your posts here!

What the space between my ears?...most people on here I think it would be fresh air in mine...oh well


But as I said this thread for me is just so I have a record of whats going on this year with this issue




poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
16 May 2010 4:04PM
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GypsyDrifter said...
This was my 1st page post "VENT" if you like!...it's just that crusher a vent...words of the moment..nothing more nothing less...

etc etc etc

But as I said this thread for me is just so I have a record of whats going on this year with this issue



and in response to this little tirade which made me cringe....


NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
16 May 2010 9:30PM
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I think you are worried about nothing GD.
The numbers are minute in the grand scheme of things.
It would be an interesting experiment to just give them all a visa and see what effect that has on the numbers.
As it is we are being bastards on the basis of guess work. Even Machiavelli would call that stupid.

I think it is a shame (in the formal sense of the word) that we let our paranoia override our compassion.

elbeau
WA, 986 posts
16 May 2010 8:26PM
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I think it is a shame (in the formal sense of the word) that we let our paranoia override our compassion.


About two years ago there was an article in the press about a group of children in Africa that had built their own school out of tin and scrap wood.

In the same week was a report that Australian students had caused millions of dollars of damage to their schools that year including burning at least one of the schools down.

I welcome the type of people that are hungry for the opportunities that Australia can offer.

cisco
QLD, 12325 posts
16 May 2010 10:28PM
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stamp said...

if i ate alphabet soup i reckon i could crap out better quality journalism than what's published in the west australian.


Or any other "news paper". The journos can't even spell correctly.

cisco
QLD, 12325 posts
16 May 2010 10:52PM
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Keep going GD. Don't let the crab critter or any others put you off.

You are just relaying the news in an unbiased way.

The "illegal immigrant/refugee" exodus is happening all over the world.

Desperate people are trying to escape political, economic and religious oppression by fleeing to countries like ours.

This proves that those of us fortunate enough to be living in a western democratic society need not have a guilt complex about the way we live in comparison to the rest of the world.

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
16 May 2010 10:49PM
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NotWal said...

I think you are worried about nothing GD.
The numbers are minute in the grand scheme of things.
It would be an interesting experiment to just give them all a visa and see what effect that has on the numbers.
As it is we are being bastards on the basis of guess work. Even Machiavelli would call that stupid.

I think it is a shame (in the formal sense of the word) that we let our paranoia override our compassion.


NotWal.........arrr no..what you said is not what i think...
I am not worried about the amount of asylum seekers...I am concerned they are not possessed quick enough and OUR GOVERNMENT alway look like they just don't want to deal with it..they seem to always put this problem on the back burner..

if I have paranoia it is towards our government and looking every day for them to take some action and deal with this situation...(the written word in type..can be so mistrude by others)

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
16 May 2010 11:00PM
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cisco said...

Keep going GD. Don't let the crab critter or any others put you off.

You are just relaying the news in an unbiased way.

The "illegal immigrant/refugee" exodus is happening all over the world.

Desperate people are trying to escape political, economic and religious oppression by fleeing to countries like ours.

This proves that those of us fortunate enough to be living in a western democratic society need not have a guilt complex about the way we live in comparison to the rest of the world.


Thankyou Cisco...

This proves that those of us fortunate enough to be living in a western democratic society need not have a guilt complex about the way we live in comparison to the rest of the world.

YES!!!!! Thankyou Cisco...
Guilt is shiite...gets you no were....my rellies never held a grudge on the Germans...even though I have heard and seen stories all my life...lets deal with the here and now...I can't go back 200 odd years I can't fix things from that time..

I want to contribute to the here and now...Thats all I can do...and hopefully make some good choices. I DO very much feel for people in countries that are not as fortunate as me...but I was born here...do I have to feel guilty that my rellies gave me a better life..no I don't.

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
16 May 2010 11:07PM
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elbeau said...



I think it is a shame (in the formal sense of the word) that we let our paranoia override our compassion.


About two years ago there was an article in the press about a group of children in Africa that had built their own school out of tin and scrap wood.

In the same week was a report that Australian students had caused millions of dollars of damage to their schools that year including burning at least one of the schools down.

I welcome the type of people that are hungry for the opportunities that Australia can offer.


Yes elbeau even in Bali..the kids wear their uniform with pride..it's an amazing thing to see....the pride that comes from a uniform that is related to learning and getting somewhere their parents can't in life, these kids of today that are so destructive, are the people that will be around us in years to come....I just can't yet imagine them as carers or in the care industries...lets just hope I am wrong as we are going to need them

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
17 May 2010 8:21AM
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Before you vituperate my dear you should attain a basic understanding of comprehension.
Clearly the educational opportunities afforded to you have been squandered.



GypsyDrifter said...


I am concerned they are not possessed quick
can be so mistrude
daily account were I copy and paste
goodness sake lets proses these people
20 more years and non will be alive to tell of their wows


Have you ever considered employment (menu writing perhaps) in your local Vietnamese restaurant?

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
17 May 2010 10:43AM
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elbeau said...



I think it is a shame (in the formal sense of the word) that we let our paranoia override our compassion.


About two years ago there was an article in the press about a group of children in Africa that had built their own school out of tin and scrap wood.

In the same week was a report that Australian students had caused millions of dollars of damage to their schools that year including burning at least one of the schools down.

I welcome the type of people that are hungry for the opportunities that Australia can offer.




Right orn.

Hopefuly these new Oztrayans have an inbuilt sense of compassion from their previous experiences and understand that there is plenty to share in this country.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
17 May 2010 10:47AM
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GD and co.

Melbourne has the 2nd largest Greek population of any city in the world. Athens is the largest. Does that not bother you? No?

Probably would have when the rate of Greek arrivals was on the up (late 40's - onwards), yet now you enjoy the influence on our diet, culture and appreciation of the world beyond our castle gates.

Strange you can't relate that to the current slice of history.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
17 May 2010 11:01AM
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poor relative said...

Before you vituperate my dear you should attain a basic undertsanding of comprehension.
Clearly the educational opportunities afforded to you have been squandered.




Crikey! Anybody got a theasaurus?? Perhaps my Oz educashamun wasn't up to standard?






Have you ever considered employment (menu writing perhaps) in your local Vietnamese restaurant?




Which reminds me of a mate (who I do not share political or social leanings with all that much). He is happy for Phillipino workers to come to Oz to work hard - to earn wages Ozzies won't get out of bed for - for his family glazing business. Yet he doesn't want them to stay or become residents (although he biatches all the time about how lazy Oz workers are).

He even rents his spare house out to them (thereby making back some of the money he is paying them) yet does not regard them as equals and deserving of permanent status. WTF is that about? Isn't one of the oft heard rally cries - "Bloody illegal immigrants will steal our jobs!!" Seems we are happy to hand them to overseas workers paid below our own standards. Bet they worked harder and did a better job too.

BTW - the same mate (hell - I have known him since youf and he is a good lad but brought up a little skewed for mine) years ago had a tirade about how you can't go to a deli (milk bar for some) without it being run by a Vietnamese family. "Know why that is?" I asked him. "Cause 'Ozzies' won't work hours that long for such little reward." Stopped him in his tracks and haven't heard any moaning about deli owners since.

Literally food for thought.

maxm
NSW, 864 posts
17 May 2010 1:47PM
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poor relative said...

Before you vituperate my dear you should attain a basic undertsanding of comprehension.


Good work there, relly. +5 marks for getting the word "vituperate" in there. Lose 1 mark for incorrect spelling of "understanding"

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
17 May 2010 12:05PM
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maxm said...

incorrect spelling of "understanding"


cheep ass work puter keyboard

Its tough being a smart ass.

maxm
NSW, 864 posts
17 May 2010 3:03PM
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poor relative said...

Its tough being a smart ass.


It's not so much a way of life, more a calling.

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
18 May 2010 10:42AM
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Boat carrying 43 intercepted
NICK BUTTERLY, CANBERRA
May 17, 2010, 3:00 pm

Another suspected people smuggling boat has been intercepted off the coast of WA - the second to be picked up in as many days.

Customs said the Vessel Ashmore Guardian operating under the control of Border Protection Command picked up the vessel at midday Sunday, approximately four nautical miles north of Ashmore Islands.

There was 43 passengers and four crew on board the vessel.

On Saturday afternoon a Navy patrol boat rushed to the aid of a people smuggling boat in difficulties near off Scott Reef. That vessel was carrying 92 people.

Border Protection Command says the boat was taking on a significant amount of water and was deemed unseaworthy.
The passengers were also to be taken to Christmas Island.

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
18 May 2010 2:23PM
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Aid 'running out' for 1.3 million Pakistan refugees


ISLAMABAD — Thousands of Pakistanis continue to flee Taliban-plagued northwest provinces every day, but money is running out to help the 1.3 million people displaced by fighting, aid agencies warned Wednesday.

Pakistan faced its biggest humanitarian crisis in decades last year when three million people fled a military onslaught to dislodge Taliban rebels from the northwest Swat valley, prompting an outpouring of international help.

But as the year has passed, donor money has dried up, forcing aid groups to cut projects, despite the expansion of military operations in the northwest and the ongoing needs of families too frightened to return home.

"The crisis is far from over and hundreds of thousands of people are still in desperate need," said Caitlin Brady, head of the Pakistan Humanitarian Forum, a group of dozens of local and global aid agencies.

"Already many people are not getting the help they need, and we?re now faced with having to close more programmes for lack of money," said Brady, also acting country director for the International Rescue Committee.

Of the 537 million dollars requested by the United Nations and aid agencies to provide for the displaced in 2010, international donors have so far only come forward with 170 million dollars, the PHF report said.

Most of the three million people displaced by the Swat offensive returned home last summer, but the army has since launched fresh assaults on the tribal regions along the Afghan border, sending more people fleeing to safer areas.

Washington has called the semi-autonomous tribal belt the most dangerous place on Earth, rife with Al-Qaeda, Taliban and other Islamist groups who fled Afghanistan after the US-led invasion in late 2001.

"More than 1.3 million people are displaced, dependant on emergency relief to survive, yet funding for the emergency response is drying up," PHF said.

"Over the past month, some 800 families have been arriving in the districts of Hangu and Kohat every day, fleeing an escalation of fighting in Orakzai and Kurram (tribal) agencies," the report added.

These people -- many of whom stay in crowded relatives' homes or refugee camps -- need food, medicine, shelter and help getting work.

The group quoted 25-year-old Hajra, who they said left her village in Bajaur tribal district on foot, desperate for help from anyone.

"We don?t have tents, we don?t have bedding, no flour or oil. There is nothing. We have left our village without any belongings. We haven?t received any aid here. We are living in other people?s tents and helpless," she said.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
18 May 2010 3:08PM
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So what is the answer?

maxm
NSW, 864 posts
18 May 2010 5:17PM
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Well, doggie, speaking for me personally, I think the answer is to work to stop the problems that cause them to flee in the first place. What that means in this conflict I don't know. I doubt anyone has a clear solution whether military, political or humanitarian.

But of course, that's only one conflict zone and as soon as that one settles down, another will pop up somewhere else in the world and the people there will run away from their homes. So part of the answer is for us to stop picking on the few people that make it this far.

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
19 May 2010 4:48PM
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Boat 60 arrives at Ashmore
ANDREW TILLETT CANBERRA
May 19, 2010, 1:29 pm

The Rudd Government has passed another unwanted asylum seeker milestone after the 60th boat for 2010 was intercepted last night.

The number of boats stopped in the first five months of 2010 is now equal to the number intercepted during all of 2009.

In 2008, seven boats were intercepted, and in 2007 one boat was intercepted a few weeks after Kevin Rudd became Prime Minister.

The record for the number of boats reaching Australian waters in a year is 86, set in 1999.

The Customs vessel Hervey Bay intercepted the boat vessel south west of Ashmore Islands yesterday evening, a statement said.

It is believed 39 passengers and two crew were on board the vessel.

The group will be taken to Christmas Island for security, identity and health checks, and their reasons for travel will be established.

The influx of asylum seekers has led to overcrowding on Christmas Island, where all boat people are taken as a first port of call for processing.

The big squeeze has prompted Immigration officials to sound out church groups to provide convents, monasteries and boarding houses to house families with children or unaccompanied minors.

In March, Mr Rudd said the coalition had achieved the "Gold, Silver and Bronze" for boat arrivals because it had the record for the most asylum seekers in a year, the most boats in a year and the most boats in a month - during 1999.
But Labor broke this latter record in March and April, and is on track to beat the most boats in a year based on the current rate of arrival.



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