Enough is Enough... Please explain?

Sorry for Venting..
But Now at our 32nd uninvited boat for the year...
I am pretty unimpressed...

I understand that times are tougher and people will risk their lives in
a crappy boat with crappy conditions...

But i want to see it STOPPED....Not slowed down...not more boats...
Just Stopped.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And whats this business of heading to Christmas Island..
Heading there....So has every one heard our country is run by idiots!!
What? are they just going straight to Christmas Island...instead of the extra sea
miles and cost getting to the Australia Coast....

I know the good sea weather for these trips are nearly over for the year...but we shall see...
The last boat had 3 Crew...what 3 paid crew....the last one 4 crew...
What are we just a pattsie country with no backbone...
ggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Again Sorry for the vent.

Well It is Great fishing, you won't starve to death!

She only said what a lot of Aussies were thinking at the time.

My issue as a layperson is I don't have much of a clue about this
situation apart from commonsense, but they say this affects the immigrants and refugees
that have applied to this country and gone through all the right channels.
They can offer our country skills and alike and have sat in their homes waiting
for sometimes years (putting their lives on hold) for the phone call or in some cases I guess a Letter to say they have been accepted and can start their new life.

I was lucky I was born here...my Grandparents set me up for a better life in a GREAT country...they paid their way...and did all the right things ....

But still that is not my issue...

WHY!!!!!!...with this government are the boats coming?

(ok I'll get off my high horse now...)

imagine the desperation of a parent to risk the lives of their children to take a dangerous boat trip into the unknown for a chance of a better life, perhaps leaving behind relatives that they may never see again. I dont think you do this unless you are desperate. Seriously imagine it, go on, try, reef your children out of bed in the middle of the night, to meet a shady charcter who promises to get you out of a place you cant bear to be in any longer, a place where perhaps you have generations of attachment, but little hope as despot after despot tear the place apart, can you blame a parent for seeking to improve its childs life?

I bet there have been a few boats that have made it but the passengers didnt once the boat sailed away with their money and left them to perrish up on the west coast.

So they have three options if they choose the boat ride - die in the open ocean - die in the desert - sit in a camp for 2 years and get fed.

None of them sound that nice to me

If they knew the risk would they still do it?

Maybe there should be some more follow up data on boat refugees as compared to "fly in" refugees. Are they more likely to assimilate and become Australians or are they more likely to retain the culture/horror they escape from ??? Australia is not "New Sri Lanka"(or new whatever) it's Australia....fair dinkum.

what i find disturbing is someone who values the preening and dressing up of a cat over the value of a human life.

My answer to that is Yes! /
Because It is 90% Young active men not women and children doing this voyage
on the whole....they might have families they have left but there is a reason for that...
They get into our country and then apply for the families to come
do you hear much about women and children coming and then setting up house and a job and then applying for there husbands and family to come..NO!

Oh I am hot headed about this

Ill answer you 1st PR I don't take my life or others lives for granted...
But if we are going to take in extra people other than what is allocated..lets make provision for them.

Ok I did say I am a layperson and wanted a please explain...
not a vendetta at me.

I am plainly sick at this government..not the political side...just the
pethieticness on this issue...I am certainly not out to crucifie the people
that run away from there country...due to hardship....it is that our country seems to be doing nothing about it yet.

These are old statistics..but I will find you new ones late "PR"

The number of people in immigration detention on Christmas Island varies at any given time, as some detainees may be granted visas and resettled on the mainland, while others may arrive in the meantime.

When the Commission visited in August 2008, there were only four people in immigration detention on Christmas Island. At the time of the Commission’s July 2009 visit, this had increased significantly to 733 people, including 82 children, 28 women and 623 men. Of the 82 children, 54 were unaccompanied.

At the time of writing, there had been 828 new arrivals since the Commission’s visit.
Does this help you PR?

What a fantastic country we live in whereby children are locked in detention stripped of their freedoms for not even breaking a law.

Check this

www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/childrens-rights/projects/national-inquiry-children-immigration-detention
www.hreoc.gov.au/HUMAN_RIGHTS/immigration/asylum_seekers.html

Your only a layperson until you educate yourself.

P.R. you again like I have place OLD satisctic..of
on land detention centres...

These are new people about 2008 to 2010 on Christmas island

Let the Women and Children go..Here Here...

Abuse is crap..same as our oldies are getting in Nursing homes...

AGAIN my issue is.....what has happened to make the captains of the boats
the people smugglers...think we are such a soft touch...

I LOVE people ...we do all bleed the same blood....

But I don't like the way Australia is NOW taken for a soft touch!

Hardship in every country rips my hearts out.
BUT........now the people are coming because we have made our selves so open to not standing our ground and they think she will be right...

Sorry but I am sick of it...and I do feel the life on Christmas island for the real locals is so not the same...

Simply because the political and religious environment which their ancestors have left them is incapable of providing the same benefits as the environment that our ancestors left us. And yet they cling to it tenaciously and refuse to accept the obvious fact, that it is serving them very poorly and in all likelihood will continue to do so.
Look at the mess England is in because it ignored for a long time this very fact. Immigrant groups are now in sufficient numbers in that country that the original culture of the land is being swamped by the introduced culture of the new inhabitants. And this is the very same culture that gave rise to, and cultivated the system and conditions they fled, supposedly in terror. ???


Western societies taking advantage?
Nowhere near the advantage that their own people have taken of them.
There have been billions and billions of dollars ploughed into those countries over the past decades trying to drag them into the 21st century. Most of it is syphoned off by the fat bloated leaches at he top while their own people, of the same blood and religion live in "abject poverty" as you so rightly said, under their very noses. It's criminal.
It is happening right now in a big way in Afghanistan. Fat bloated leaches building small enclaves of mansions from the very money that is sent in to rebuild the country, while their own people live in ruins. IT IS CRIMINAL!

Same in the middle east. All the umpteen billions of oil dollars that have poured into that region over the last 50 years and it has been wasted on palaces and other extravagances while large proportions of their own people live as beggars.
The rest of it is poured into armaments so they can go and beat the crap out of their neighbours, of the same culture and religion as themselves. ???
It makes me angry every time I see documentaries on it.
And then they say it's because they are being mistreated by the west.
And some of us repeat the line. To accept responsibility for the mess they are in is just excusing bad behaviour on their part. Stop doing it!

If their culture and religion was so great, why hasn't it managed a more even distribution of their wealth?
Why doesn't it provide the "health care, education, secure housing employment.........." that you mention?

I do not want to live in a Muslim country. If I did, there are plenty to choose from without converting this country into one.

The people that come here pass through a number of Muslim countries to get here, the last one being Indonesia.
They are safe in Indonesia. They are not escaping torture and terror when they leave Indonesia to come here. At that point they are simply looking for an economic benefit, which obviously exists here.
In my view, they are welcome so long as they leave their political and religious beliefs at the border. It should be a condition of entry.



Exactly. Excellent example. Look what happened to them simply because they weren't organised enough to have a proper border protection and immigration policy.
Don't we learn anything from that?

I don't have any gripe with any Muslim immigrant personally. I have no doubt most of them are decent law abiding people who I would be happy to associate with.
However, I do have a problem with them collectively on the basis that I strongly believe that when the numbers build up, as they surely will with an open door policy, we will in 50 years or so, be a Muslim country.
Their is ample evidence around to show me that this would NOT be a good thing.

Show me one country with a Muslim/Christian mix that does not have internal cultural conflicts.
Do you really think Australians could handle this any better? I don't think so.

Can someone explain why papers, passports etc ONLY vanish in that area of the sea
Or is it the cellulose Bermuda Triangle

Something I remember from past debates on this issue is "the majority of illegal immigrants arrive by plane". Interesting that the focus is put on those arriving by boat.

I think we need a broader debate on the whole immigration issue here in Oz.

I am personally pretty pissed of with the amount of new people coming to live and work in WA. In my work place there are more people born outside Australia than here, where I live 3 out of 5 neighbours are new arrivals.

What advantage do we gain by opening up our special part of the world to all comers.

I would like to see all immigration stopped from this date forward. I want to protect the quality of life we have now so my children can enjoy the same!

The race and the method of arrival of immigrants are not important. The competition for good jobs, cheap housing and land and uncrowded waves fishing spots are very important.

we should all chip in, buy a jolly galleon and commence piracy and sink their shabby boats to the bottom of the sea yeah that,ll learn em