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kiteboy dave

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17 Sep 2012 10:30PM
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kiteboy dave said...


You, as I do, have the right to free speech.[/b] It's a wonderful thing.
You DO NOT have the right, ever, to call for beheadings over it.


Unfortunately when I read this back, I can see I've contradicted myself here. No-ones called me on it so far. But I guess this is where we see that the world isn't black & white even if it looks that way when we're angry.

How can I defend free speech without extending that right to idiots who want to wave 'behead' signs? They might be dumb, but they're allowed to be dumb and more than that it's important that we protect their right to be dumb any way they like.

Is the fact that they could be inciting violence (if anyone took them seriously) enough to override their right to free speech? I don't know.

I didn't like the neo-nazi 'hammerskins' having a white power music fest in QLD this year, they were also inciting violence and broadcasting hate, but again they were protected under free speech. And far fewer people got angry about it, even though they are nasty nasty people.

On the whole I would prefer to live in a society where we occasionally have to put up with a few hundred dumb extremists, rather than a society under oppression by dictatorship, religion, or other.


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17 Sep 2012 10:36PM
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Holly crap !! My UFO computer board has only two statuses available 0 and 1 !!!
Bad or Good guy … nothing in the middle…..!!!
Holly crap !! How could I decide ??? Nobody is perfect !!!!
even me

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17 Sep 2012 9:16PM
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Mark _australia said...

That's all I am saying...


Praise be to Allah.

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17 Sep 2012 9:24PM
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Let the Bandana speak...

Open Letter...

www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/an-open-letter-20120915-25ziq.html

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17 Sep 2012 9:37PM
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poor relative said...

Mark _australia said...

That's all I am saying...


Praise be to Allah.



I dunno if he likes mayonnaise?

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17 Sep 2012 9:39PM
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kiteboy dave said...

kiteboy dave said...


You, as I do, have the right to free speech. It's a wonderful thing.
You DO NOT have the right, ever, to call for beheadings over it.


Unfortunately when I read this back, I can see I've contradicted myself here. No-ones called me on it so far. But I guess this is where we see that the world isn't black & white even if it looks that way when we're angry.

How can I defend free speech without extending that right to idiots who want to wave 'behead' signs? They might be dumb, but they're allowed to be dumb and more than that it's important that we protect their right to be dumb any way they like.



Actually, I don't think you have contradicted yourself.



Is the fact that they could be inciting violence (if anyone took them seriously) enough to override their right to free speech? I don't know.



That's exactly right. Freedom of speech does not grant us the freedom to say absolutely anything we want. Here's what I found on www.immi.gov.au/living-in-australia/choose-australia/about-australia/five-freedoms.htm#a


Freedom of speech

Australians are free, within the bounds of the law, to say or write what we think privately or publicly, about the government, or about any topic. We do not censor the media and may criticise the government without fear of arrest. Free speech comes from facts, not rumours, and the intention must be constructive, not to do harm. There are laws to protect a person's good name and integrity against false information. There are laws against saying or writing things to incite hatred against others because of their culture, ethnicity or background. Freedom of speech is not an excuse to harm others.

Macroscien

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17 Sep 2012 11:40PM
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Hi kite Boy
Don't worry
We could try to get over that for you.
Your second statement that people shouldn't just behead just like that is correct
The first statement one is SIMPLY WRONG
as is not true. M is great! And you can not say otherwise unless you have a proof.
But you don't have one.
So please shut up !
Adziz
I am neutral.I am from another planet that doesn't count.

I do suffer as much as you here.
I do understand your pain.


Tell me if you need my help to negotiate PEACEFULLY.
I do not accept anything else.


cisco

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18 Sep 2012 12:45AM
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Rex said...
[ you do realise that Islam is a religion and not a race!



Not true. Organised Islam, just like organised Christianity and Judeasim is a political construct used by those organisations to justify their "Empire Building" as something sanctioned by God.

"Faith" and "Religion are two different things.

Islam is being used as a God sanctioned excuse for pan Arab Imperialism.

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poor relative said...

Redneck claptrap.


Your comments are as void of intelligence as they are of volume. They place you firmly in the monkey gallery.

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18 Sep 2012 1:49AM
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doggie said...

Adziz said...

evlPanda said...

Adziz said...

Yes im muslim; yes the violence by the protesters was wrong; no i dont believe it is right for atheists to disrespect religion in this way; Mohammed (PBU) is believed to be the last and the holiest prophet of God by muslims and shouldnt be mocked regardless of your beliefs...

...dont be so low as to make a rude offensive hurtful movie; do i think the protesters voiced their opinion respectfully? No;





God chose him to deliver that message.


Whos god?


That would be the God of Abraham I believe. The same one Jews and Christians worship.

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Adziz said...

Yes im muslim; yes the violence by the protesters was wrong; no i dont believe it is right for atheists to disrespect religion in this way; Mohammed (PBU) is believed to be the last and the holiest prophet of God by muslims and shouldnt be mocked regardless of your beliefs; yes if this sort of stuff came out about Jesus or Buddah i would be protesting.. peacefully; my understanding is that someone yelled out racist taunts to the crowd and then was attacked and then police had to save him and then thats when the scuffle began - in saying this any violence against police shouldnt be and isnt tolerated as ive already said but making it clear; yes i hate the comment 'why arent muslims speaking out against this' news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8533533/muslims-condemn-violent-sydney-protest
We always speak out against it, it would be appreciated if some of you gave a minute to read; yes i personally would like to be in a ring with the guy who said that stuff about the prophet - is that your problem? no, is it the problem for the police, no - but i would defend my beliefs just as i defend australia within my community and the way i defend my family. if anyone disagrees with my beliefs then by all means voice your opinions and debate it respectfully dont be so low as to make a rude offensive hurtful movie; do i think the protesters voiced their opinion respectfully? No;
No from a muslims perspective you are not an infidel whoever you are reading this, infidel refers to the 'bad' amongst the muslims and the christians and the jews and non-believers; Bad = the guy who made the movie. Ill try respond to rest of posts later



Hello Adziz... It's good to hear it from you perspective.. Thanks.
I agree with a lot of what you say, but the problem is that NONE of these demonstrators were in a ring with the people or persons who committed the offence. If they were I would not have a problem with it. I think the film makers were trouble makers and complete twats. Everybody knows that and apart from any retribution that you might like to send their way, that's where the matter should have ended.

The problem comes from the demonstrators marching off to the American embassy which had the possibility of ending in the same way as in Benghazi, that is the murder of people totally NOT responsible for the original offence.
Most people here have a huge problem with this.
If it was the only case of this type it could be excused as a one off aberration but it seems to be the normal method that people of this persuasion use to 'resolve' their disputes.
Most people here have a problem with that too.

If the demonstration was about showing their displeasure about what happened to the American ambassador in Benghazi then I think they would have got a much more understanding reception.
However, as we all know, it was not.
It was about exactly the same thing as the demonstration in Benghazi, death to all those who insult the prophet,.. and anyone else who might be of the same nationality, and we all know how that ended.
Most people here have a problem with that too.

It's a bit hard to expect people to overlook the whole event just on the excuse that they intended it to be a peacefull protest, when nearly everything about the outcome was so predictable.

Predictable? I was surprised. Not that that means a lot. I understand that the vast majority of Muslem Australians do not endorse the violence and the exhortations to violence of the demonstrators. Bob Carr said so and he has no reason (apart from one or two very good ones) to mislead us. But I would think that garden variety human nature would have it the same way. If you are living and raising a family in a foreign country you don't go around incurring the wrath of the majority whether or not you believe them to be heathen savages. You try to get along. It follows that the people who got out of hand were a disaffected fringe.

However that is pretty much self evident. One of the questions it raises is WTF were those guys thinking? Islam is radical and fanatical. Not all of it of course but where it is that way it is so extreme that it takes more pride in martyrs than peacemakers. Do the demonstrators see themselves this way? I guess so. There seems to be an absence of intelligence of strategic sense, almost a wish for personal suffering. But we know they aren't simpletons so one (this one) assumes it is something to do with current Islamic doctrine.

Another thing I would like to understand is what exactly do the vast majority of Muslim Australians think of us. Is it an exercise in tolerance or a reasonably whole hearted (with reservations) endorsement of Australians and Australian culture? Do they secretly seethe with rage and disdain? I think they don't. I think they get along just the same as the rest of us. However I have this uncomfortable feeling that I'm wrong, that religion is getting in the way.

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My kids (7 & 9) sitting with me whilst I watched the news a couple of nights ago. They sat silently throughout the video footage with curious looks on their faces. Knowing what was coming, I asked them what they thought about it. Some innocent questions about racism & 'why' came up, many of which were too deep to delve into, so I decided to simply tell them that it's something that "doesn't affect us" (ignorant, I know) and that "religion & race will always cause issues between different cultures because one side doesn't understand the other side's beliefs".

My son then asked (classic kid comment) "Why do we have to be on different sides? Aren't we all the same?"

...I gave him a hug, scruffed his head and said "You're spot-on there mate, now go & play". Maybe I'll let him have a few more years of blissful innocence (ignorance) before he needs to worry about these matters.

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You humans have a bit naive concept of heaven.
I can't say too much, my limiters are set not to disclose too much. So here is just a glimpse.
For you to think about.

Time is irrelevant.
WE (not you ) could travel up and down.

The OTHER GUY with faster sourcer then mine goes all the time to “any place' “in any time”.
To pickup 'consciousness' ( you call it soul) to be saved.

Just saying …and my limiters did't blow up….I am just an observer …with the mission not to interfere …..

Just a small tip you guys… keep your soul clean….The OTHER GUY is quite picki…not to contaminate his sourcer…..

Adziz

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kiteboy dave said...

kiteboy dave said...


You, as I do, have the right to free speech.[/b] It's a wonderful thing.
You DO NOT have the right, ever, to call for beheadings over it.


Unfortunately when I read this back, I can see I've contradicted myself here. No-ones called me on it so far. But I guess this is where we see that the world isn't black & white even if it looks that way when we're angry.

How can I defend free speech without extending that right to idiots who want to wave 'behead' signs? They might be dumb, but they're allowed to be dumb and more than that it's important that we protect their right to be dumb any way they like.

Is the fact that they could be inciting violence (if anyone took them seriously) enough to override their right to free speech? I don't know.

I didn't like the neo-nazi 'hammerskins' having a white power music fest in QLD this year, they were also inciting violence and broadcasting hate, but again they were protected under free speech. And far fewer people got angry about it, even though they are nasty nasty people.

On the whole I would prefer to live in a society where we occasionally have to put up with a few hundred dumb extremists, rather than a society under oppression by dictatorship, religion, or other.





Kiteboy Dave - I read your comment and was about to say you contradicted yourself but then i saw this comment, so you stole my thunder. But i still have some thunder because you contradicted yourself twice.

Yes, you offended me, you just swore at God. Who as you might have read we believe is the same God as Allah, which was the God of Abraham and the God of Moses etc. And your right swearing at God (or my God) in order to prove a point that you have a right to free speech is still offensive. Even though you offended me and your comments are extreme, and as extreme as the beheading sign i believe from your comment above your showing honesty. So, ill say this. You said "essentially, (i have) firsthand knowledge that 99% of your demographic are great people" and at the same time you swore at their God because of idiots who were violent in Sydney. So you offended all those people who were good to you and all those people who meant well.

The next thing, do you think its right to swear at God because of what idiots are doing? So you'll swear at God for what these sydney siders are doing? What has God got to do with it? they are obviously not following the religion of God correctly by causing all this drama, they are not representing 99% of muslims but we will all swear at god because of it.

In regards to free speech, everyone should say what they want in this great democracy. But there are ways to say what you want. For example - If im against Australia's foreign policy, i could write a letter to the Government, make a petition, go to the media, say things against the current political party, start a protest etc.. what i DONT do is hold up signs saying behead Aussies or F*** Australia which many would find offensive and wanna go me in a ring.

Therefore although your free to say what you like I still believe you should retract the comment

On the other hand God bless you for spreading the message that these people are a minority and defending muslims in forums. Thank you

laurie

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18 Sep 2012 8:42AM
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ok ok ok ok ok...

This topic is sailing close to being locked.

Seabreeze is a friendly site, where you visit for good times (but not at the expense of others).

Religion & Politics are two subjects that reliably invoke arguments and get people "offended".

There are squillions of other sites that fully cater for religious & political debate, and they are full of people that really enjoy that kind of thing - well worth a visit.

Please remember to use Seabreeze for pain relief, and if pain persists, please consult your doctor.

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laurie said...

ok ok ok ok ok...

This topic is sailing close to being locked.

Seabreeze is a friendly site, where you visit for good times (but not at the expense of others).

Religion & Politics are two subjects that reliably invoke arguments and get people "offended".

There are squillions of other sites that fully cater for religious & political debate, and they are full of people that really enjoy that kind of thing - well worth a visit.

Please remember to use Seabreeze for pain relief, and if pain persists, please consult your doctor.





agreed
I have been waiting for that long time...uffff....laurie

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adziz: by the same token, i should be allowed to say "the prophet is in your imagination, he is as real as the easter bunny" peacefully, without fear of someone taking offence to the point of violence. i should be able to draw of cartoon of the prophet or defile a koran.

there needs to be some give and take. the majority of this society is not muslim. in fact most of us don't give a rat's arse about religion or god. realise and accept that.

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18 Sep 2012 9:25AM
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laurie said...

ok ok ok ok ok...

This topic is sailing close to being locked.

Seabreeze is a friendly site, where you visit for good times (but not at the expense of others).

Religion & Politics are two subjects that reliably invoke arguments and get people "offended".

There are squillions of other sites that fully cater for religious & political debate, and they are full of people that really enjoy that kind of thing - well worth a visit.

Please remember to use Seabreeze for pain relief, and if pain persists, please consult your doctor.




Thank god, a right hander

Adziz

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NotWal said...

pweedas said...

Adziz said...

Yes im muslim; yes the violence by the protesters was wrong; no i dont believe it is right for atheists to disrespect religion in this way; Mohammed (PBU) is believed to be the last and the holiest prophet of God by muslims and shouldnt be mocked regardless of your beliefs; yes if this sort of stuff came out about Jesus or Buddah i would be protesting.. peacefully; my understanding is that someone yelled out racist taunts to the crowd and then was attacked and then police had to save him and then thats when the scuffle began - in saying this any violence against police shouldnt be and isnt tolerated as ive already said but making it clear; yes i hate the comment 'why arent muslims speaking out against this' news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8533533/muslims-condemn-violent-sydney-protest
We always speak out against it, it would be appreciated if some of you gave a minute to read; yes i personally would like to be in a ring with the guy who said that stuff about the prophet - is that your problem? no, is it the problem for the police, no - but i would defend my beliefs just as i defend australia within my community and the way i defend my family. if anyone disagrees with my beliefs then by all means voice your opinions and debate it respectfully dont be so low as to make a rude offensive hurtful movie; do i think the protesters voiced their opinion respectfully? No;
No from a muslims perspective you are not an infidel whoever you are reading this, infidel refers to the 'bad' amongst the muslims and the christians and the jews and non-believers; Bad = the guy who made the movie. Ill try respond to rest of posts later



Hello Adziz... It's good to hear it from you perspective.. Thanks.
I agree with a lot of what you say, but the problem is that NONE of these demonstrators were in a ring with the people or persons who committed the offence. If they were I would not have a problem with it. I think the film makers were trouble makers and complete twats. Everybody knows that and apart from any retribution that you might like to send their way, that's where the matter should have ended.

The problem comes from the demonstrators marching off to the American embassy which had the possibility of ending in the same way as in Benghazi, that is the murder of people totally NOT responsible for the original offence.
Most people here have a huge problem with this.
If it was the only case of this type it could be excused as a one off aberration but it seems to be the normal method that people of this persuasion use to 'resolve' their disputes.
Most people here have a problem with that too.

If the demonstration was about showing their displeasure about what happened to the American ambassador in Benghazi then I think they would have got a much more understanding reception.
However, as we all know, it was not.
It was about exactly the same thing as the demonstration in Benghazi, death to all those who insult the prophet,.. and anyone else who might be of the same nationality, and we all know how that ended.
Most people here have a problem with that too.

It's a bit hard to expect people to overlook the whole event just on the excuse that they intended it to be a peacefull protest, when nearly everything about the outcome was so predictable.

Predictable? I was surprised. Not that that means a lot. I understand that the vast majority of Muslem Australians do not endorse the violence and the exhortations to violence of the demonstrators. Bob Carr said so and he has no reason (apart from one or two very good ones) to mislead us. But I would think that garden variety human nature would have it the same way. If you are living and raising a family in a foreign country you don't go around incurring the wrath of the majority whether or not you believe them to be heathen savages. You try to get along. It follows that the people who got out of hand were a disaffected fringe.

However that is pretty much self evident. One of the questions it raises is WTF were those guys thinking? Islam is radical and fanatical. Not all of it of course but where it is that way it is so extreme that it takes more pride in martyrs than peacemakers. Do the demonstrators see themselves this way? I guess so. There seems to be an absence of intelligence of strategic sense, almost a wish for personal suffering. But we know they aren't simpletons so one (this one) assumes it is something to do with current Islamic doctrine.

Another thing I would like to understand is what exactly do the vast majority of Muslim Australians think of us. Is it an exercise in tolerance or a reasonably whole hearted (with reservations) endorsement of Australians and Australian culture? Do they secretly seethe with rage and disdain? I think they don't. I think they get along just the same as the rest of us. However I have this uncomfortable feeling that I'm wrong, that religion is getting in the way.


Muslims believe that Australians are the most layed back tolerant people on earth who love to offend themselves more then they offend others. And as an Australian when i sit with my muslim mates i tell them how stupid muslims are collectively. The response i get from them is nah, they are more idiotic then that. We make ourselves look much worse then what we are. But on this forum obviously ill defend the religion and those who practice it correctly even though i disagree with the actions of a minority of muslims.

WE muslims are lucky we're free to live in Australia and freely practice our religion without anyone getting in the way. You see when i was young and learning about Islam i would look at the Australian system of things and thought to myself wow, (non-muslim) Australians must really love us because we are stricter on our lifestyle and behaviour then they are (little did i know). But essentially it's true, as a muslim i must be going way off track in my religion to be committing an offence against Australia's laws. And no, i dont agree that muslims should be imposing their way of life on Australians. There was a arabic american comedy where they asked a muslim lady what do you love about America, she replied - Freedom, there is soooo much freedom. They then asked what do you hate about America, she replied - Freedom, there is tooo much freedom.

End of the day some Australians spend their weekend in a temple praying all night, others spend it drinking and partying. We're still Australian.

Adziz

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stamp said...

adziz: by the same token, i should be allowed to say "the prophet is in your imagination, he is as real as the easter bunny" peacefully, without fear of someone taking offence to the point of violence. i should be able to draw of cartoon of the prophet or defile a koran.

there needs to be some give and take. the majority of this society is not muslim. in fact most of us don't give a rat's arse about religion or god. realise and accept that.


I never asked you to give a rats arse about religion

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Adziz said...

kiteboy dave said...

kiteboy dave said...


You, as I do, have the right to free speech.[/b] It's a wonderful thing.
You DO NOT have the right, ever, to call for beheadings over it.


Unfortunately when I read this back, I can see I've contradicted myself here. No-ones called me on it so far. But I guess this is where we see that the world isn't black & white even if it looks that way when we're angry.

How can I defend free speech without extending that right to idiots who want to wave 'behead' signs? They might be dumb, but they're allowed to be dumb and more than that it's important that we protect their right to be dumb any way they like.

Is the fact that they could be inciting violence (if anyone took them seriously) enough to override their right to free speech? I don't know.

I didn't like the neo-nazi 'hammerskins' having a white power music fest in QLD this year, they were also inciting violence and broadcasting hate, but again they were protected under free speech. And far fewer people got angry about it, even though they are nasty nasty people.

On the whole I would prefer to live in a society where we occasionally have to put up with a few hundred dumb extremists, rather than a society under oppression by dictatorship, religion, or other.





Kiteboy Dave - I read your comment and was about to say you contradicted yourself but then i saw this comment, so you stole my thunder. But i still have some thunder because you contradicted yourself twice.

Yes, you offended me, you just swore at God. Who as you might have read we believe is the same God as Allah, which was the God of Abraham and the God of Moses etc. And your right swearing at God (or my God) in order to prove a point that you have a right to free speech is still offensive. Even though you offended me and your comments are extreme, and as extreme as the beheading sign i believe from your comment above your showing honesty. So, ill say this. You said "essentially, (i have) firsthand knowledge that 99% of your demographic are great people" and at the same time you swore at their God because of idiots who were violent in Sydney. So you offended all those people who were good to you and all those people who meant well.

The next thing, do you think its right to swear at God because of what idiots are doing? So you'll swear at God for what these sydney siders are doing? What has God got to do with it? they are obviously not following the religion of God correctly by causing all this drama, they are not representing 99% of muslims but we will all swear at god because of it.

In regards to free speech, everyone should say what they want in this great democracy. But there are ways to say what you want. For example - If im against Australia's foreign policy, i could write a letter to the Government, make a petition, go to the media, say things against the current political party, start a protest etc.. what i DONT do is hold up signs saying behead Aussies or F*** Australia which many would find offensive and wanna go me in a ring.

Therefore although your free to say what you like I still believe you should retract the comment

On the other hand God bless you for spreading the message that these people are a minority and defending muslims in forums. Thank you




All this talk about offending god.

A supposed infinite being of divine power and knowledge that can't take a bit of swearing and seems to get offended at just about everything, makes it seem like some people are worshiping a prepubescent child.

I'm pretty sure that if a god/s exist, he/she would be able to cope with a bit of swearing, he/she has done a lot worse (if he/she was real).

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18 Sep 2012 10:09AM
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Adziz said...

stamp said...

adziz: by the same token, i should be allowed to say "the prophet is in your imagination, he is as real as the easter bunny" peacefully, without fear of someone taking offence to the point of violence. i should be able to draw of cartoon of the prophet or defile a koran.

there needs to be some give and take. the majority of this society is not muslim. in fact most of us don't give a rat's arse about religion or god. realise and accept that.


I never asked you to give a rats arse about religion




I dont like to talk about any religion at any time but I feel the muslum comunity push the point so far that we have too talk about it, its in our faces all the time.

Adziz

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doggie said...

Adziz said...

stamp said...

adziz: by the same token, i should be allowed to say "the prophet is in your imagination, he is as real as the easter bunny" peacefully, without fear of someone taking offence to the point of violence. i should be able to draw of cartoon of the prophet or defile a koran.

there needs to be some give and take. the majority of this society is not muslim. in fact most of us don't give a rat's arse about religion or god. realise and accept that.


I never asked you to give a rats arse about religion




I dont like to talk about any religion at any time but I feel the muslum comunity push the point so far that we have too talk about it, its in our faces all the time.


Or media feeds it to you all the time

Saffer

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18 Sep 2012 12:22PM
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Adziz said...
Or media feeds it to you all the time


I tend to disagree. If you look at previous movies that were released (Life of Brian which was a parody of Jesus), there was widespread condemnation but no riots or 4 year olds holding posters asking for people to be beheaded. You can say what you want about the media but that's not a good look for anyone.

I agree the movie was insulting (from what I've heard), but all the protestors achieved is a negative view of muslims and a lot of publicity for the producer of the movie (which is probably what he wanted).

From what I heard, the video had about 10,000 hits before the riots, and 2 million after the riots. You can't buy that sort of publicity. If it was left alone, a couple of people would have watched it and thought "What a dickhead" about the producer. Instead all the publicity has probably made him a fortune and opened the door to other dickheads to do the same because they know they'll get a reaction.

Sure, the guys may take their lives in their hands by doing it because they risk some extremist taking them out, but that would result in even more negative publicity for muslims and do more damage.

Its the same as the whole troll issue. Trolls have and will exist. They are idiots but if you react to them, you fan the flames. You can't legislate trolls out of existence, they will always be there and find a way to exist.

Adziz

Adziz

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18 Sep 2012 12:37PM
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Saffer said...

Adziz said...
Or media feeds it to you all the time


I tend to disagree. If you look at previous movies that were released (Life of Brian which was a parody of Jesus), there was widespread condemnation but no riots or 4 year olds holding posters asking for people to be beheaded. You can say what you want about the media but that's not a good look for anyone.

I agree the movie was insulting (from what I've heard), but all the protestors achieved is a negative view of muslims and a lot of publicity for the producer of the movie (which is probably what he wanted).

From what I heard, the video had about 10,000 hits before the riots, and 2 million after the riots. You can't buy that sort of publicity. If it was left alone, a couple of people would have watched it and thought "What a dickhead" about the producer. Instead all the publicity has probably made him a fortune and opened the door to other dickheads to do the same because they know they'll get a reaction.

Sure, the guys may take their lives in their hands by doing it because they risk some extremist taking them out, but that would result in even more negative publicity for muslims and do more damage.

Its the same as the whole troll issue. Trolls have and will exist. They are idiots but if you react to them, you fan the flames. You can't legislate trolls out of existence, they will always be there and find a way to exist.


I actually said that in a previous qoute. No one would have found out about it if it wasnt for these protests.

I also said i condem the violent protest

Yes muslims bring negative publicity onto themselves, what can i do if they are idiots?

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18 Sep 2012 10:42AM
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laurie said...

ok ok ok ok ok...

This topic is sailing close to being locked.

Seabreeze is a friendly site, where you visit for good times (but not at the expense of others).

Religion & Politics are two subjects that reliably invoke arguments and get people "offended".

There are squillions of other sites that fully cater for religious & political debate, and they are full of people that really enjoy that kind of thing - well worth a visit.

Please remember to use Seabreeze for pain relief, and if pain persists, please consult your doctor.




AMEN.....

shame no one listens

Rex

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18 Sep 2012 10:47AM
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Adziz said...

Yes muslims bring negative publicity onto themselves, what can i do if they are idiots?


Hold your head up and be a good citizen, that's all any of us can do in this life.

pweedas

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18 Sep 2012 11:02AM
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laurie said...

ok ok ok ok ok...

There are squillions of other sites that fully cater for religious & political debate, and they are full of people that really enjoy that kind of thing - well worth a visit.



Yes Laurie, but we like this one.
Doesn't that make you happy?

(Oh,.. except for those kiters. They can all go back to where they came from.)

pweedas

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18 Sep 2012 11:11AM
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laurie said...

ok ok ok ok ok...

Please remember to use Seabreeze for pain relief, and if pain persists, please consult your doctor.


Are you referring to thedoctor?
I always find the diagnostic abilities of thedoctor are hugely inaccurate.
Or more to the point, total rubbish.
Sometimes I doubt he has any medical qualifications at all.
Well, most times really.

kiteboy dave

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18 Sep 2012 1:45PM
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^^^^ Aaaaaand we're locked.


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