^^^^ You've been reading too many of your own posts JB
You're mistaking a vocal minority for a majority.
Personally I don't have a strong opinion either way about the drum lining.
I do however strongly object to a relatively small group of very vocal individuals dictating what actions the state will take on this issue.
I kite and surf all over WA and have done so alone at some dodgy locations. I accept the risk. JB, the notion that a shark shield is going to stop a great white in full flight is laughable.
JB not for or against...as I said at the start.
Agree governments should be driven (and generally are, though maybe some don't see it that way or perhaps sometimes it's not executed that way) to spend tax $ wisely, you should see the money poured into other safety issues by both government and private industry then......
You don't know my opinion so how can you say numbers are against me?????
free divers drowning statistically does not look at the same risk or the mitigation being used so statistically not comparable or useful, that was my point about car accidents also, generally produced stats don't factor the risk being taken or the migitation in place and as a result either under or overstate the risk involved.......
I think my opinion is probably best stated in similar terms to PR above..... not to say I'm not occasionally freaked by having to body drag for my board or being out on my own surfing (and there are places that at certain times of the year I DO NOT go as a result) but really I'm not so passionate to be out there fighting either side (frankly both of which I believe are generally poorly informed or have a terribly formed emotional argument), and yes I am saying that I don't feel informed well enough to have an opinion that should drive policy for the general public, hence I'm not out there fighting either side, and on this one I don't wish to become that well informed (it's not my profession).
Yes I like the idea of living, surfing and kiting till I'm too old to do so, if possible all while feeling safe (to an extent)....
What I'm not convinced of is that people involved in the forefront of the arguments know as much as they claim.
There are people out catching sharks (and most other fish also) both professionally and recreationally every single day why the uproar about a program that I would be surprised netted (no pun intended) out that many catches, I'm sure if the science was there to support it being a threat to the species that it would not have been allowed federally either here or on the east coast (i.e. I doubt very much....show us if you have anything....this would have been allowed through with no due diligence or professional comment).
I guess I'm saying lets see how a year of it goes and assess then.....until then this discussion really is going nowhere except downhill as it's at the point now where sides are polarised and the rest are not participating due to the nature of the conversation......
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Personally I think its the same risk, you know the danger. Just like riding a motorbike. Its dangerous but you still do it.
but so is getting out of bed, I still do that and it doesn't make it relevant to the conversation....that said do agree there is a decision being made to enter the water, it has risk and I am accepting of that but if that is the stat we are looking at we should be seeing all water deaths not just shark fatalities......
Select to expand quoteblueprint said..DARTH said..
Personally I think its the same risk, you know the danger. Just like riding a motorbike. Its dangerous but you still do it.
but so is getting out of bed, I still do that and it doesn't make it relevant to the conversation....that said do agree there is a decision being made to enter the water, it has risk and I am accepting of that but if that is the stat we are looking at we should be seeing all water deaths not just shark fatalities......
Motor bike = danger = helmet
surf = shark = surf sheild or similar
We havnt killed of motor bikes because they are way more dangerous than cars and bikes kill way more people than sharks every year.
Take resposibilty for your own actions.
Feels like groundhog day in here.......
Select to expand quotedeXtrous said..Nikita said..
Nek minnut...
Fatal car accident - ban cars
Someone falls down the stairs and dies - ban stairs
Kid killed by a dog - cull dogs
Etc...
Actually.. Fatal car acccident - driver gets banned
Someone falls down stairs - their own drunken fault
Kid killed by dog - dog DOES get culled.
problem?
You know what dog did it, so it gets culled. You don't cull every dog though right, or people might think that was a bit unfair.
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JB not for or against...as I said at the start.
Agree governments should be driven (and generally are, though maybe some don't see it that way or perhaps sometimes it's not executed that way) to spend tax $ wisely, you should see the money poured into other safety issues by both government and private industry then......
You don't know my opinion so how can you say numbers are against me?????
free divers drowning statistically does not look at the same risk or the mitigation being used so statistically not comparable or useful, that was my point about car accidents also, generally produced stats don't factor the risk being taken or the migitation in place and as a result either under or overstate the risk involved.......
I think my opinion is probably best stated in similar terms to PR above..... not to say I'm not occasionally freaked by having to body drag for my board or being out on my own surfing (and there are places that at certain times of the year I DO NOT go as a result) but really I'm not so passionate to be out there fighting either side (frankly both of which I believe are generally poorly informed or have a terribly formed emotional argument), and yes I am saying that I don't feel informed well enough to have an opinion that should drive policy for the general public, hence I'm not out there fighting either side, and on this one I don't wish to become that well informed (it's not my profession).
Yes I like the idea of living, surfing and kiting till I'm too old to do so, if possible all while feeling safe (to an extent)....
What I'm not convinced of is that people involved in the forefront of the arguments know as much as they claim.
There are people out catching sharks (and most other fish also) both professionally and recreationally every single day why the uproar about a program that I would be surprised netted (no pun intended) out that many catches, I'm sure if the science was there to support it being a threat to the species that it would not have been allowed federally either here or on the east coast (i.e. I doubt very much....show us if you have anything....this would have been allowed through with no due diligence or professional comment).
I guess I'm saying lets see how a year of it goes and assess then.....until then this discussion really is going nowhere except downhill as it's at the point now where sides are polarised and the rest are not participating due to the nature of the conversation......
Far call thanks for the reply..
I don't actually think this session will really produce too much real harm to our oceans, and i am happy that Greg Hunt has said a extension beyond this year will need Full assessment. That has already been ear marked to fail by the authority in charge and hopefully it could also wash into other states..
Will have to wait and see.
I just see the political argument and i believe it is wrong.
I can't for the life of me still understand why the State government didn't think to educate the public that they changed the way they were alerting everyone of any shark detections. SO when we had such a massive jump people really would have had the true figures, not now thinking we had a shark epidemic.
One last point is i now find it very strange that after the drum lines have started virtually no sharks have been sighted, tagged detections, reported by the public, or by any of SLSWA since mid night the 25th. Nothing for 4 days..
Compare that to the 25 there was 3
the 24 there was 5
the 23 there was 5
the 22 there was 6
the 21 there was 4
That is find rather strange..I'm not saying the sharks have moved on but i would say reporting has obviously changed..
best to get out of the water when the trawlers are sorting. the dolphin has some teeth rakes on him and nearly gets nipped at 0:30
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One last point is i now find it very strange that after the drum lines have started virtually no sharks have been sighted, tagged detections, reported by the public, or by any of SLSWA since mid night the 25th. Nothing for 4 days..
must be working then huh 
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jbshack said..
One last point is i now find it very strange that after the drum lines have started virtually no sharks have been sighted, tagged detections, reported by the public, or by any of SLSWA since mid night the 25th. Nothing for 4 days..
must be working then huh
Well considering he has only caught one shark..I can't see how
Edit unless somehow through SLSWA and the Water Police (who actually control the reports to be shared) are somehow trying to paint that picture to the uneducated..Im not sure
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Edit unless somehow through SLSWA and the Water Police (who actually control the reports to be shared) are somehow trying to paint that picture to the uneducated..Im not sure
Select to expand quotesmicko said..jbshack said..
Edit unless somehow through SLSWA and the Water Police (who actually control the reports to be shared) are somehow trying to paint that picture to the uneducated..Im not sure
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It's a conspiracy JB.
Fearmongering I would say.......
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A young boy went missing over the weekend in the Northern Territory. The Police Tactical Response Group have so far shot and killed 2 large crocodiles while searching for the boys remains. WHERE ARE ALL THE PROTESTERS?
4000 people turned up at Cottesloe beach a few weeks back to protest a 'cull' here in WA. NSW and Queensland have been netting and drum lining since the 1950's. WHAT HAVE ALL THE PROTESTERS BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 60 YEARS?
The media published photos of a large tiger shark hooked alongside a fishing boat and 'environmentalists' and celebrities from all over the world have been chiming in and condemning the practice. WHERE ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE WHEN THOUSANDS OF FISH ARE HOOKED DAILY AND ARE LEFT GASPING AND SLOWLY DYING IN A BUCKET. Why is it cruel if a fish is 3m long, yet perfectly acceptable for something smaller?
This is NOT a cull. Its a mitigation strategy to remove large, potentially dangerous sharks from areas highly populated by humans.
Why don't we have protests against commercial overfishing, pollution, domestic violence, poverty, alcohol related violence and drug related crime? One would argue that each would be a more noble cause than following the ignorant, ill-advised herd.
How many eggs do crocodiles hatch? Why are sharks called sharks yet you seem to think they are big fish? Are crabs crayfish?
The problem is that you are targeting the mature breading size of the shark which could easily put them on the endaged species list without doing the research on how many target sharks can be culled .
And things are not cheap 
www.perthnow.com.au/news/australia/shark-catch-and-kill-fisherman-being-paid-5705-a-day-ng-a0fbea5da1c4ff7de9ec4cc358e3de19
How do they get most of their research info if they haven't been able to fish or hunt them for such a long period of time.catching a dozen or so mite help with researching instead of this bloke reckons this and this bloke said that.
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How many eggs do crocodiles hatch? Why are sharks called sharks yet you seem to think they are big fish? Are crabs crayfish?
The problem is that you are targeting the mature breading size of the shark which could easily put them on the endaged species list without doing the research on how many target sharks can be culled .
Why are tailor called tailor yet you seem to think they are not so big fish?
Why are herring called herring yet you seem to think they are small fish?
Are tuna salmon?
Nice logic.
Tell us how bad drumlining is;
www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/extra/pdf/fishweb/sharksafetyreport.pdf
And tell us why the CSIRO are wrong when they say feeding sharks from cages changes their behaviour.
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I appreciate your particular view may be to Cull, but you must admit the numbers are against you..
Got any proof to back this BS statement up?
www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/extra/pdf/fishweb/sharksafetyreport.pdf
Read this:
www.theaustralian.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes
Finally an article that is objective and contains facts and relative statistics as opposed to tabloid driven hysteria.
I was going to post the same link that Latestarter posted above a few hours ago because I found it an interesting read, I had typed out the spiel below but was then distracted and by the time I got back to my pc the link was already posted.
I'm pretty much a fence sitter on this one, whilst I would be prepared to take the risk and keep surfing, snorkelling and kiting as I have done all of my life with out the drum lines because I think the chances of attack are minimal, I do think that the GW numbers (and so risks of attack) are rising so I am not opposed to taking out a few that are hanging around close to populated areas.
I have heard all of the arguments, more people in the water, social media spreading the word of sightings etc.
However I have also talked to crayfishermen with years of experience that all tell me they are seeing more and more sharks in recent years.
My belief is that the increased whale numbers since they have been protected is the main reason there is way more sharks along the WA coast (particularly around October/November when the whales and calves are making there way back down the coast)
I am not really impressed that there will be baits set 1 km off the shore along the metro area because I often do downwinders on my SUP and at times would be close to that far out.
What I can't believe is the uproar for the anti cull brigade over the killing of a few sharks in WA when it has been going on for years on the East Coast and all around the country other species of fish (and crocodiles etc) are killed everyday, what makes the sharks so much more special than any other species?
Oh that's right it is the apex predator, so do the anti cull folks want us to save the GW's but go on killing every other fish until there is only sharks left?
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How do they get most of their research info if they haven't been able to fish or hunt them for such a long period of time.catching a dozen or so mite help with researching instead of this bloke reckons this and this bloke said that.
At least now Barnet has said the bodies could be used for science. Also it means less incentive in the water to draw in other sharks..Mind you he needs to catch a few yet Fingers crossed he keeps going the way he is going, Then we get a full study before it goes ahead next year..
Select to expand quotejbshack said..Kneeling said..
How do they get most of their research info if they haven't been able to fish or hunt them for such a long period of time.catching a dozen or so mite help with researching instead of this bloke reckons this and this bloke said that.
At least now Barnet has said the bodies could be used for science. Also it means less incentive in the water to draw in other sharks..Mind you he needs to catch a few yet Fingers crossed he keeps going the way he is going, Then we get a full study before it goes ahead next year..
Said on the news tonight the problem was a shortage of big hooks was slowing the process.
