Save the NBN - Petition

^^^ come back in 30-50 years maybe. Read the article you linked to.

Here here. The digital economy is a fad. The Internet has proven that again and again.

And bandwidth requirements are not growing exponentially.


source: arstechnica.com/features/2012/05/bandwidth-explosion-as-internet-use-soars-can-bottlenecks-be-averted/


The trick to a really good economy is not hard work. It is efficiency. The average Greek worker does just over 2,000 hours a year. The average German around 1,400. www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17155304

The proper National Broadband Network, done right the first time, screams "efficiency", "innovation" and "surprise". We'll all be on the exact, same, fibre optic LAN. You couldn't ask for a better network. It is the absolute highest quality available, and future proof. It will last hundreds of years and is practically maintenance free.

A percent here and there often doesn't seem like much, but when extrapolated out over a year, or a decade it really adds up. Ask a Formula 1 team.

Nobody can argue we aren't becoming a digital society, a digital economy. We might as well continue being the best country in the world by having the best platform for the rest of the century, perhaps even rest of the millennia.

...and that's why I singed the petition, along with the fact the Lib's option is actually more expensive in the long run by keeping the copper network's maintenance costs, and nowhere near as good. It's truly an ugly, Frankenstein's Monster of a plan, and they know it.

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kiteboy dave said..

^^^ come back in 30-50 years maybe.

Fine, Lets see what Abbot could do with 50 bln right now.
Another no brainer concept...

NSN _ National Solar Network

$50,000,000,000.00 / by solar panel price $0,5 /per Watt = 100,000,000,000 Watts Solar Panel = 100 GW

daily output 5 x 100GW x 365days = 182500000000 kwh !! or 182.5 billions kwh !!

Whole Australia production is 225 billions so we are not all covered but close enough !!

I am a bit surprised by results so you do check my calculations (mind boggling zeroes...I could be wrong either way.)

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Macroscien said..

Are you actually undermine my suggestion that two fibreoptics are able to send /provide twice as much data as a single one ?

nope - just the fact that what you are suggesting is like having two 4 lane highways going into your house but you drive a family sedan twice a week to local shops

^ It's a fair point: What about people that don't want the NBN, and/or don't want to pay for other people's NBN?

One could ask the same question replacing the appropriate terms with "federal highway".
Or "Public Schools"
Or "Public Hospitals"
Or "Public Transport"
Or "First Home Owners Grant"
Or "Baby Bonus"
Or "Defence Force"
Or a zillion other things.

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Carantoc said..

^ It's a fair point:

Because I heard Mr Rudd say that the reason fibre had to go to every property in the country (presumably no matter the expense) was because everyone deserved equal access to the infrastructure (whether they actually wanted it or not).

presumably just like everyone has equal access to "federal highway".
Or "Public Schools"
Or "Public Hospitals"
Or "Public Transport"
Or "First Home Owners Grant"
Or a zillion other things.

Not everyone gets access to the first time home owners grant or the baby bonus. If your house exceed a certain value, you don't get it. If you earn more than a certain amount, you don't get it.

If you go down this path, you could easily argue that because the infrastructure is there, every deserves to drive in a BMW to get the real benefit of it and therefore the government should fund BMW's for everyone.

Until such time as every house "needs" optical fibre, why both investing in it. The cost will continue to drop and those who don't want it are a waste of good tax payer money.

Who needs 100mbps? Is there any valid reason for a non-business related entity to have it? If you bring up this 4K TV crap, then you can afford to pay for the NBN because 4K TV's are expensive.

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gs12 said..

Macroscien said..

Are you actually undermine my suggestion that two fibreoptics are able to send /provide twice as much data as a single one ?

nope - just the fact that what you are suggesting is like having two 4 lane highways going into your house but you drive a family sedan twice a week to local shops

AFAIK its normally two fibres, one for transmit and one for receive in fibre networking.

That fibre is just the driveway onto the next road working up to the highway. Makes you wonder what is the total cable capacity into the continent ? Of course a high def video conference between houses would only be using the local roads and highways.

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Mobydisc said..

CMC said..

It won't happen.

Why do you think Murdoch wanted the Libs in so bad? It's simply to protect cable TV sales. Every other country with fast net (read most) cable TV sales have fallen heavily.

It was a major election issue so they will just say they were given a mandate that Australia did not want it. Game over regardless if Murdoch media presented all of the benefits of the slower slightly cheaper version...

Pay TV subscriptions is declining in Australia anyway. A fiber optic network would not have much of an effect one way or another. Most subscribers to pay TV got it in the nineties or early naughties. There probably have not been that many new subscribers since then. Check out the ads on Foxtel, 90% of them are for funeral insurance. Older people are their target market. The main problem pay TV has is not the NBN, its the fact most of the shows on it are rubbish and younger people have found alternatives with existing technology.


If we get the NBN I really doubt my Internet/TV/Music consumption would change all that much. Right now I can download a HD show recently aired in America quicker than I can watch it. This is with ADSL2. No fiber to the home. Of course this speed is not available everywhere. What should be a priority is improving access in areas where decent broadband Internet is not currently available. That would be the best bang for the buck.

Remember the sport ! Only reason to get foxtel.

Good point about prioritizing the current black spots. Perhaps the work already done wouldn't be wasted if we installed this technology into those areas.

www.ibm.com/au-en

FTTP the backbone of a trillion dollar economy by 2050 says IBM.

Staffer, Macro, your position is so shortsighted.

Isn't that fantastic news ?
From now on all tourist could arrive virtually , to watch 3D holographic 8k HD webcam video : all our beautiful beaches online trough this ultra fast, fibre optics, just sitting at their tight apartments in HK. New 8k HD TV has inbuild fan to simulate our sea breeze , and micro nozzle spraying salty scent.
Word "surfing" will have complete new meaning.
No need for airplane travel, our hotels, more meals for us, littering our beaches with rubbish stops.

The same saving on for University dormitory, all student just arrive for an hour a day for videoconferencing lecture.


As for medical services even better. Simple gastroscopy or rectoscopy was usually performed by 1 meter long glass fibre. This time patient must handle 8,000 km long insert. I am sure they could accommodate that.

1 trillions $$ becomes by then (2050) worth 1 billion $$ in nowadays money taking into account galloping inflation stimulated by enormous debt.
IBM will be delisted from NASDAQ by then and bankrupted 3x after unsuccessful government intervention, so nobody to sue for misleading article.
Kiwiland by then will be incorporated into AustroZealand and we will be obliged to supply fiber end to every Kiwi dwelling on the same basis as to equivalent Australian. That will stretch a bit under Tasman Sea and ping will be a bit delayed.

New ATM machines will be able to spit out your money at lighting speed.
Older glass fibers could be recycled for drinking straws and now you will be able to sip your favorite VB straight from Victoria brewery directly

Bad news for Gina although as we no longer need to export our iron ore to China. In 2050 everything will be made of glass fibre - and for that sand is needed - Middle East will have their second chance to rid of Saharan desert.

I am sure that IBM prepared the same article with word AUSTRALIA marked as a variable $X that could be substituted with FRANCE< ENGLAND< GERMANY < ETC in order to sell the same ***it to every other country on the planet.
Everybody will get 1 TRILION just buy out fibre now !

Sign the petition..

Coz Tony is a smart guy, a forward thinker and one who listen's to the public.

Oh wait.. he's in. Fk.

Start saying ur Hail Marys and get used to going backwards in time.

The majority of you voted for his party and platform so stop ya b!tchin and get used to it.

www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-12/malcolm-turnbull-labels-anti-nbn-petition-reckless/4954858


There's your mandate speech already. Pointless discussion.

As someone who works from home and connects to my office remotely in another country I can tell you the current adsl 2 network is far from fast enough.... That's now, the size of files and complexity doubles every couple of years.

To say we don't need as fast as we can get is down right stupidity. The world is changing and the sooner we join it the better.

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kiteboy dave said..
That's 30 seconds I'm not getting back.

Sure, with ultra fast streaming porn you could be dribbling in this 30 seconds, what a loss
wait... I am wrong...
in fact that could be the best outcome... allow maroons to dribble their seed into the ground instead of repopulating the earth

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kiteboy dave said..
Go away.

Don't be shy, Send your picture to the contest



I mean picture of your mind

Forget the 'New Digital Super Highway" how about they start by fixing the existing Fkn roads..... haven't we been paying petrol tax for years under the pretext that it was for road maintenance.... well guess what it hasn't been used on that has it!!!!!!!!!