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Shark things out of hand in WA

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Created by king of the point > 9 months ago, 14 Jul 2012
king of the point
WA, 1836 posts
14 Jul 2012 7:22PM
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More tragic news .....A young fella whilst surfing was taken near Wedge Island (full on attempt to render assistence )

5 Deaths and counting this year

Plus 2 serious encounters that i know of ,,,surf ski and,,,, divers off Geraldton.

Really is getting to much..........

Time for some action

If they were wild bears attacking people what would happens

tmurray
WA, 485 posts
14 Jul 2012 7:29PM
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And in other news a woman died in a car crash and her 2 children were badly injured. We should start hunting drivers.

smicko
WA, 2503 posts
14 Jul 2012 7:33PM
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Or dingos?
I wonder what the response would be if sea lions were killing touros on Rotto?

king of the point
WA, 1836 posts
14 Jul 2012 7:42PM
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tmurray said...

And in other news a woman died in a car crash and her 2 children were badly injured. We should start hunting drivers.


and we do with fines ,suspensions , education,training,my $$$$ on roads ,car safety

The ocean has always been a place of fun .... not fear

May be some one i.e the (Shark hunter ........Hislop} Knows a little bit more than you or me and the Fisheries Department all put together.

The powers may want to investigate

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Spotx
WA, 24 posts
14 Jul 2012 7:59PM
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I agree King.
Let's get serious, it is not acceptable for the fisheries minister to have no response to the situation.
We have played the wait and see if they go away long enough. These sharks have to be destroyed.

sn
WA, 2775 posts
14 Jul 2012 8:30PM
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Why on earth dont a lot more skindivers, snorkellers (and by extension) windsurfers, surfers, or anyone who could be classed as potentially being tomorrows shark poo- carry a 12 guage smokey?
(official name "powerhead")
Our Western Australian firearms act permits you to possess one as long as its made to comply with the regulations and is stored and licenced as required.

This is about the only case where self protection is accepted as a legally valid reason to need a firearm.

The way I see it- a 12 guage is a bit more effective than poking a shark in the snout with your finger.

YMMV

Spotx
WA, 24 posts
14 Jul 2012 8:46PM
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Smokeys are illegal in WA.

It is crazy, you can get a license for a gun to kill wild life for fun but you can't have a Smokey for self defense.

Mark _australia
WA, 22392 posts
14 Jul 2012 9:09PM
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No they are not illegal. You can get one, but it licensed under the Firearms Act as they can also be used to kill people.

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
14 Jul 2012 9:22PM
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Mark _australia said...

No they are not illegal. You can get one, but it licensed under the Firearms Act as they can also be used to kill people.

Correctomundo!!

Mark _australia
WA, 22392 posts
14 Jul 2012 9:37PM
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What should need a licence........ internet usage.

Fuuckheads who post stuff on Twitter and Facebookfrom the beach, 2mins after a shark attack, making everyone who had a loved one surfing at Wedge today all upset.

Fkn losers who want to be first to break the news.

They should be shot with a powerhead.

sn
WA, 2775 posts
14 Jul 2012 9:41PM
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I just checked the firearms act (16 sept 2011)

Looks like I was almost- but not quite right

smokeys are classed as a H2 firearm (underwater explosive device)

you can have them if you are a pro. or recreational diver- or can show occupational need.

so unless you can class falling off your board "recreational diving" you have little chance of legally owning a powerhead or smokey in W.A.

tmurray
WA, 485 posts
14 Jul 2012 9:51PM
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tmurray said...

And in other news a woman died in a car crash and her 2 children were badly injured. We should start hunting drivers.


Obviously I don't literally mean we should hunt drivers. My point is that we can't control all risks - sometimes people die for literally no good reason. Shark attacks are a risk we can control (somewhat) by merely staying out of their territory, or we can accept that there is a risk involved in being in the ocean. Why is there such a fuss when someone gets taken by a shark, but if someone dies four wheel driving in the dunes at Lancelin it's just accepted. It's a massive double standard.

Spotx
WA, 24 posts
14 Jul 2012 9:53PM
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Has any one on this forum got a license to have a smokey ?

If so what guage smokey and what class licence does it come under ?

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
14 Jul 2012 9:53PM
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sn said...

I just checked the firearms act (16 sept 2011)

Looks like I was almost- but not quite right

smokeys are classed as a H2 firearm (underwater explosive device)

you can have them if you are a pro. or recreational diver- or can show occupational need.

so unless you can class falling off your board "recreational diving" you have little chance of legally owning a powerhead or smokey in W.A.


I can't see that surfing with one would be safe and practical option anyway. But for the divers prepared to jump through the hoops to get one licensed, why not?

smicko
WA, 2503 posts
14 Jul 2012 10:00PM
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I'd certainly feel safer with one as a diver.
Not that I dive much anymore, scares the $hit outa me now.

And yes totally impractical for surfing

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
14 Jul 2012 10:12PM
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The two biggest stuimbling blocks are 'genuine need' and jumping through the hoops for the licensing process. Genuine need is probably catered for if you are a regular diver + the frequency of attacks. The second, the licensing process, it's designed to weed out those that want one on a whim and don't have the genuine need. Plus you have to get a firearm cabinet, secure it properly etc etc for 95% of those that think they need/want one it will simply be too hard and too expensive.

The other option is to make one yourself, they are out there but without the drop safety and the firing pin safety required in the act SN looked at you may as well be diving with a live grenade, having left the safety pin in the boat.

king of the point
WA, 1836 posts
14 Jul 2012 10:32PM
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Intrested to know if the helicopter / plane did a run up and down the coast

You think weekend light offshores / perfect surfing conditions it would have been out and about .......not saying this would have changed the tragic facts of to days events
but hey may be.

Whats with the flight paths of all these light planes.......why not bring them in down along the coast for a bit??? and im sure pilots would love it.

Just an idea seeing that Fisheries have no solution, considering they have so many rules fines regulations and my money to go fishing... may be they need to address the deaths of 5 people with in 100km of Metro area


BulldogPup
6657 posts
14 Jul 2012 10:32PM
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RIP little brother - passed from our surfing fraternity doing what stoked him

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
14 Jul 2012 10:37PM
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BulldogPup said...

RIP little brother - passed from our surfing fraternity doing what stoked him


+1. I think the best response for todays activity's.

Give it a rest at least for a day

Spotx
WA, 24 posts
14 Jul 2012 11:23PM
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How long do we wait ?

It has been 5 fatalities, do we wait for 6, 7,8.

This has gone on far to long.

5 people are killed while doing a sporting activities, that is a tragedy.

Get angry, it is the Fisheries Minster to blame. We are funding Fisheries $3.75m over five years for shark research.

They are not doing a great job are they.

Take Whites off the endangered species list, and fish for them close to the coast.

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
15 Jul 2012 1:31AM
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They're takin our jobs!!

Mark _australia
WA, 22392 posts
14 Jul 2012 11:36PM
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log man said...

They're takin our jobs!!


Not the thread for the left wing vs right wing pisstakes. Was funny in the boat people threads but not here and not today

Gwendy
SA, 472 posts
15 Jul 2012 1:26AM
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sn said...

Why on earth dont a lot more skindivers, snorkellers (and by extension) windsurfers, surfers, or anyone who could be classed as potentially being tomorrows shark poo- carry a 12 guage smokey?
(official name "powerhead")


Powerheads are a pretty nasty devise. Had a 12 bore one explode on me years ago in the tuna fishing days. bloody lucky not to be permanently disfigured. Tip. Don't use solid shells.

They're very effective from the deck of a boat and I carried one diving years ago. as far as other watersports go it wouldn't work. I reckon we would end up with more fatalities from powerhead accidents than shark attacks. besides, the 12 guage one is a bit large and heavy to carry about. The 303 on the other hand is much smaller and lighter and still gets the job done with hollow point rounds.

Very sad to hear of another attack. Must be tough going for you guys in WA at the moment. Its possible over in SA we havn't had an attack for a while because the cage diving and tuna farms are keeping the GW's distracted and away from the beaches. I was in a discusion recently with some friends who work in tuna farming and cage diving. They were talking about a day this year when there were 12 GW sharks at the Neptune Islands cage diving area and at the same time at least that many around the farms. That was individual sharks that were counted and the same time. could have been many more. WA had its own sharks and attacks occured in South Africa.

Endangered species my arse.

Nobody wants to see them become extinct. If they become a bit thin on the ground like in the 80's, would suit me fine.


paulford
WA, 312 posts
14 Jul 2012 11:58PM
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Im for reducing numbers, i cant even go for a bodysurf or swim now without fear of being eaten. I also think the government needs to think about the impact on local tourism. i know a lot of people now who wont even step into the waters edge, or let their dogs into the water.

graemeleeson
WA, 15 posts
15 Jul 2012 3:05AM
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Sorry to hear this news poor bloke. I've surfed wedge years ago still got a place in my heart. Dunno what can be done about the attacks I can see both arguments but can say I won't be heading to WA for kitesurf trip this season going elsewhere. Kited with plenty of sharks before in shark bay/woodies/S.A. but the number of attacks recently just too much for comfort.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
15 Jul 2012 7:25AM
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Terrible news. Really horrible.

Why not spend some money on a aerial shark patrol up and down the coast around Perth? They could patrol on weekends and during the week as well over summer.

It should not cost all that much in this day of aerial drones. If a small plane was used then perhaps the patrol could earn some money with sight seeers paying money to go on a flight up and down the coast.

In this day of mobile Internet and smart phones, shark sightings could be sent to beach goers up and down the coast. They could then make better decisions as to whether to go up in the water or not. The site could be subscription only or the patrol service could sell its information to other interested parties like the media.


It seems like there are more and more Great White Sharks around nowdays and there isn't much anyone is prepared or allowed to do about the sharks. Encounters between sharks and humans usually end up being bad for one or the other so it would be best if we can avoid each other.

Roar
NSW, 471 posts
15 Jul 2012 10:12AM
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the ocean is THIER home not yours - you want to go into their domain and then when you get attacked you get outraged and want to kill them?

Sounds like some of those bad US court cases where homeinvades sue home owners for using excessive force and injure them when they are breaking in to rob the place.

You all know the risks when you go in. if you dont like it dont go in.

Random death is a part of life.

We are living in a society today that is getting more bubble wrapped every day. its a tragic trend that is happening everywhere.

firiebob
WA, 3145 posts
15 Jul 2012 8:31AM
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Really sad news. RIP
My condolences to all family and friends.

I also feel for the young fella on the jet ski, no one should witness what he did

brad1
QLD, 232 posts
15 Jul 2012 10:49AM
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Leave nature as it is. It's their territory stay out of the water if you're worried. Trying to control wildlife puts the balance of nature out of whack.

dan berry
WA, 2562 posts
15 Jul 2012 8:53AM
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Yea he looked pretty shaken. Definitely some thing he's not going to want to remember.

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
15 Jul 2012 10:29AM
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brad1 said...

Leave nature as it is. It's their territory stay out of the water if you're worried. Trying to control wildlife puts the balance of nature out of whack.


Spot on. Killing the sharks could make the situation even worse. If you don't like the odds stay out of the water.[}:)]



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