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Created by remery 2 months ago, 3 Jul 2024
fangman
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2 Aug 2024 11:42AM
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FormulaNova said..
How do you 'reduce the stupid'? You would need a very large cauldron for that wouldn't you? Then you would start arguing about whether it would be coal powered, natural gas, or run from green electricity.

You wanted Dad jokes didn't you?


Worse than Dad jokes...Nerd jokes. Just had a thought: Reducing the stupid is a chemical equation. Stupid + reduction = less_stupid + oxygen.
(Reduction being the loss of electrons in a reaction, in this case via the oxygen.)
Thank you. You have been a wonderful audience.
I will see myself out.

remery
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2 Aug 2024 12:22PM
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Subsonic said..
What'd you do? Start a metal fire?





Only a small one. I was a trainee science teacher, barely 18. The curriculum had me putting a tiny bit of sodium in water to demonstrate the reaction. I made a big deal about the danger and moved all the kids back. I put a tiny bit of sodium in the beaker of water. It went "fizz". The kids went "booooo". So I put a big chunk in. It exploded and molten sodium landed in my hair. The kids went "yaaaayyyyy, sir made a bomb."

FormulaNova
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2 Aug 2024 1:56PM
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fangman said..

FormulaNova said..
How do you 'reduce the stupid'? You would need a very large cauldron for that wouldn't you? Then you would start arguing about whether it would be coal powered, natural gas, or run from green electricity.

You wanted Dad jokes didn't you?



Worse than Dad jokes...Nerd jokes. Just had a thought: Reducing the stupid is a chemical equation. Stupid + reduction = less_stupid + oxygen.
(Reduction being the loss of electrons in a reaction, in this case via the oxygen.)
Thank you. You have been a wonderful audience.
I will see myself out.


I wasn't thinking chemistry. I was thinking cooking.

Your humour is too highbrow for me and way too high for dad jokes.

fangman
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2 Aug 2024 2:48PM
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I just re read my post. As per usual it was way funnier in my head.
Anyhoo as an edit for clarity, it should read,
"What's worse than my dad jokes? My nerd jokes...."
And yes, I should have stuck to the cooking line. In recompense I do have a pic of Remery post sodium experiment:





Pcdefender
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2 Aug 2024 3:09PM
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Why is drag part of the Olympics?


Carantoc
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2 Aug 2024 3:22PM
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fangman said..
I do have a pic of Remery post sodium experiment:




WTF ?

remery and Carantoc are the same person ?

Carantoc is the Dr Jeckyll and remery is Mr Hyde though right ?

myscreenname
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2 Aug 2024 4:12PM
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Pcdefender said..
Why is drag part of the Olympics?

To distract us from the fact that, Russia is not allowed to compete while genocidal Israel is allowed to compete. The whole thing is a quasi western biased sh1t show.

Subsonic
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2 Aug 2024 4:29PM
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remery said..


Subsonic said..
What'd you do? Start a metal fire?







Only a small one. I was a trainee science teacher, barely 18. The curriculum had me putting a tiny bit of sodium in water to demonstrate the reaction. I made a big deal about the danger and moved all the kids back. I put a tiny bit of sodium in the beaker of water. It went "fizz". The kids went "booooo". So I put a big chunk in. It exploded and molten sodium landed in my hair. The kids went "yaaaayyyyy, sir made a bomb."



Oh yeah, we had that demonstration in science class too. Going back a generation so did dad. He told me of his class mate who thought it was so cool he decided to steal a chunk of sodium. He put it in his pocket and headed home. Appparently sweat found its way through the alfoil he'd wrapped it in. He wasn't at school for quite a while.



I thought you may have got a metal fire going. Very hard to do, but throwing "dihydrogen monoxide" on it doesn't go well, or goes very well depending on perspective.

Brent in Qld
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2 Aug 2024 5:25PM
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fangman said..
I just re read my post. As per usual it was way funnier in my head.
Anyhoo as an edit for clarity, it should read,
"What's worse than my dad jokes? My nerd jokes...."
And yes, I should have stuck to the cooking line. In recompense I do have a pic of Remery post sodium experiment:






Schopenhauer was the eternal optimist compared to the average Breezer. Come to think of it, his endless pursuit of suffering would probably allow him to fit right in here.

psychojoe
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2 Aug 2024 7:24PM
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D3 said..

psychojoe said..


It's as though people don't understand that iron carries oxygen through blood, calcium also travels through blood, calcium and iron form an industrial abrasive.



Do they do that in human blood?
If so, citation needed.

Never mind, you're just guessing.

it's probably a recipe for abrasion at the junctions in the arteries.



You can guess that I'm wrong. I've taken a little information from here and there and banded it all together in the style of Dr. Karl. I'm going to continue living as though I'm right. I'm so confident, I'll stake my life on it, figuratively.
Wait. Were you asking if blood carries both iron and calcium?

fangman
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2 Aug 2024 7:45PM
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Brent in Qld said..


fangman said..
I just re read my post. As per usual it was way funnier in my head.
Anyhoo as an edit for clarity, it should read,
"What's worse than my dad jokes? My nerd jokes...."
And yes, I should have stuck to the cooking line. In recompense I do have a pic of Remery post sodium experiment:






Schopenhauer was the eternal optimist compared to the average Breezer. Come to think of it, his endless pursuit of suffering would probably allow him to fit right in here.



I would hope the average SBer doesn't echo his romantic pursuits. Not sure he would have been a much of a fun times guy let alone chucking chunks of Na into water for entertainment.

FormulaNova
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2 Aug 2024 8:08PM
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fangman said..
I just re read my post. As per usual it was way funnier in my head.
Anyhoo as an edit for clarity, it should read,
"What's worse than my dad jokes? My nerd jokes...."
And yes, I should have stuck to the cooking line. In recompense I do have a pic of Remery post sodium experiment:



It's all good. Humour is funny unless it's right-wing (or left-wing) stupid humour trying to make fun of politicians.

I think my generation missed out on the sodium and water 'experiment'. I am sure it was done in the years ahead of me but was deemed to be dangerous and not done when I did chemistry. I suspect that there would be 300 pages of documentation these days before you even talked about doing the demonstration these days.

I wonder how we would 'reduce the stupid' though? The way things are the 'stupid' seem to be having more kids than those that are worrying themselves to death about cost of living/nuclear war/climate change. "Stupid" are not that stupid as they let others worry about it and just keep doing things that make them feel better.

FormulaNova
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2 Aug 2024 8:10PM
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Pcdefender said..
Why is drag part of the Olympics?




Drag? Those are some mighty fine looking women.

It's good that you are still listening to mainstream Henry though.

remery
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2 Aug 2024 8:42PM
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Pcdefender said..
Why is drag part of the Olympics?





You seem inordinately interested in images of men who dress up as women. Why is that?





D3
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2 Aug 2024 11:38PM
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psychojoe said..

D3 said..


psychojoe said..


It's as though people don't understand that iron carries oxygen through blood, calcium also travels through blood, calcium and iron form an industrial abrasive.




Do they do that in human blood?
If so, citation needed.

Never mind, you're just guessing.

it's probably a recipe for abrasion at the junctions in the arteries.




You can guess that I'm wrong. I've taken a little information from here and there and banded it all together in the style of Dr. Karl. I'm going to continue living as though I'm right. I'm so confident, I'll stake my life on it, figuratively.
Wait. Were you asking if blood carries both iron and calcium?


How do calcium and iron get combined in the human body to become an abrasive?

Just seemed a bold claim to make on a thread about critical thinking. I've paraphrased it below

Somehow calcium and iron react together in the human body that becomes a blood borne abrasive, that combined with exercise creates a recipe for abrasion at the junctions of arteries.

Pcdefender
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3 Aug 2024 2:47AM
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FormulaNova
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3 Aug 2024 6:18AM
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I see this has become the PM33 Generic thread.

For anyone that wondered if he read your considered opinions, thought about them and then replied.

Nup.

remery
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3 Aug 2024 12:35PM
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For years ignorant conservatives have been telling us that we Leftards don't know what a woman is.

Now they have stopped worrying about genitals and are focussed on testosterone testing. I should remind the RWNJs that women have some level of testosterone, some more than others. Is this reason enough to disqualify someone? Should we disqualify extraordinarily tall basket ballers because they have an a fair advantage over "normal" people?

The boxer in question has been a woman since birth. The Olympics is about physical contests to determine the strongest and fastest. RNJWs now wan to throw someone out for being too strong and fast.

Should we bring in oestrogen testing for men who engage in creative competitions?

FormulaNova
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3 Aug 2024 3:17PM
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remery said..
For years ignorant conservatives have been telling us that we Leftards don't know what a woman is.

Now they have stopped worrying about genitals and are focussed on testosterone testing. I should remind the RWNJs that women have some level of testosterone, some more than others. Is this reason enough to disqualify someone? Should we disqualify extraordinarily tall basket ballers because they have an a fair advantage over "normal" people?

The boxer in question has been a woman since birth. The Olympics is about physical contests to determine the strongest and fastest. RNJWs now wan to throw someone out for being too strong and fast.

Should we bring in oestrogen testing for men who engage in creative competitions?


I have to say, this whole issue is a bit confusing. When you read the initial news reports you leave with the impression that the boxer is genetically male even though born and living as a female. That or there is a problem with excess testosterone.

It's only when you delve a little deeper that you find that these comments were issued by someone but there is no actual confirmation or evidence. Which is why people seem to be jumping to the conclusions they are.

It does bring up interesting discussion points though, as you suggest. At what point would you/should you decide that testosterone levels are "too high"? It is going to be an arbitrary number no matter what you decide. Also, as you suggest, you are then deciding what level of strength you are allowing for some reason that may not make sense.

I agree on the basketball thing. Anyone over 5'9" should be disqualified

Carantoc
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3 Aug 2024 4:30PM
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Maybe it is just an Italian thing. Perhaps Italians should stick to falling over and crying when playing soccer. They do that so well.

Tim Tszyu managed to fight on when he got punched on the nose.

remery
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3 Aug 2024 4:48PM
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And while ignorant conservatives are clutching their pearls about boxing, there's a convicted child rapist on the Dutch team.

Pcdefender
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3 Aug 2024 5:31PM
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The International Boxing Association does NOT allow 'her' to compete.

The Olympic body allow 'her' to compete based on their eligibility criteria. The gender and age are based on their passport only.

remery
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3 Aug 2024 5:52PM
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Pcdefender said..
The International Boxing Association does NOT allow 'her' to compete.

The Olympic body allow 'her' to compete based on their eligibility criteria. The gender and age are based on their passport only.


"the IOC suspended its recognition of the federation;[3] in 2023, the IOC formally stripped the IBA of its status, becoming the first international federation to ever be expelled from the Olympic movement.[4] The IOC's decision was upheld by the Court of Arbitration for Sport in 2024."

Tell me, how would you determine if Khelif is a female or not?

fangman
WA, 1562 posts
3 Aug 2024 5:57PM
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And what an exemplary mob the IBA chaps are: "... in 2023, the IOC formally stripped the IBA of its status, becoming the first international federation to ever be expelled from the Olympic movement.." Have a little read about their activities on the wiki page. Very Dodgy Bros.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Boxing_Association

fangman
WA, 1562 posts
3 Aug 2024 5:58PM
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oh snap!

psychojoe
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3 Aug 2024 6:12PM
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How do calcium and iron get combined in the human body to become an abrasive?

Just seemed a bold claim to make on a thread about critical thinking. I've paraphrased it below

Somehow calcium and iron react together in the human body that becomes a blood borne abrasive, that combined with exercise creates a recipe for abrasion at the junctions of arteries.


Now that's some good paraphrasing.
Let's set aside my assertions.
What is the abrasive in blood that causes arteriosclerosis?

Pcdefender
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3 Aug 2024 6:14PM
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She looks nothing like a female growing up or at present.

remery
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3 Aug 2024 6:15PM
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So you would judge biological sex by facial appearance?

D3
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3 Aug 2024 6:35PM
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psychojoe said..

D3 said..


How do calcium and iron get combined in the human body to become an abrasive?

Just seemed a bold claim to make on a thread about critical thinking. I've paraphrased it below

Somehow calcium and iron react together in the human body that becomes a blood borne abrasive, that combined with exercise creates a recipe for abrasion at the junctions of arteries.



Now that's some good paraphrasing.
Let's set aside my assertions.
What is the abrasive in blood that causes arteriosclerosis?


Why don't you back up your assertions?

psychojoe
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3 Aug 2024 8:10PM
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fangman s


Yes you are right, it's not iron oxide that gets Twiggy excited, but the oxygen does bind at the ferrous atom.
As for K2 I first heard of it in a dental publication as it turns out a Canadian dentist was the instrumental in its discovery. Here is an neat little summary of his travels:
"...mild-mannered Dr. Weston Price, a Canadian with a small dental practice in Ohio, wondered why so many of his patients had terrible teeth. He hypothesized that there was something about the rapidly modernizing diet that was linked to declining dental health. Dr. Price sought out pre-industrial populations scattered across the globe in an effort to study this relationship between tooth decay and nutrition.In a series of perilous expeditions, he made his way to remote villages in the mountainous pockets of Switzerland, settlements along the rugged coasts of the Outer Hebrides, and the archipelagos of the South Pacific. He travelled with the nomadic Masai of Tanzania and the Nuer of the South Sudan, New Zealand Maori, the Inuit of Alaska and the tribes of the Peruvian Amazon and Andes. He observed that populations that maintained their traditional diet did not suffer from the tooth decay or malocclusion that was rampant back home. Instead, he found square jaws with neat, straight rows of teeth. When the same families were introduced to common processed foods, they would develop cavities and dental decay. Armed with a camera, he would take photos of siblings - where the older child was raised on a traditional indigenous diet and the younger living on imported foods. Where the first child would have well formed dental arches, the second would have many misaligned teeth.
It was a predictable pattern, and in addition, Price noticed several other symptoms of declining health, such as slow healing bone fractures.His fieldwork throughout the 1920s and 1930s yielded over 15,000 such stark photographs. When he returned, he detailed his ethnographic and nutritional studies in a book called Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. Without the benefit of our understanding of modern nutrition, Price hypothesized that these declines in dental health were not the result of some toxin in American diet, but the "absence of some essential factors". He tested and analyzed thousands of samples of traditional foods for their nutritional content and compared them to common foods of the time. What he found was that many of the traditional foods, like fish eggs and the butterfat of grass-fed cows, were rich in fat-soluble nutrients. He deduced that there was some activator or catalyst in the fat-rich diet that allowed the body to make use of other macronutrients like minerals. One activator had a significant affect on the health of bones and teeth, but since he could not identify or chemically isolate it, he labelled it as Activator X.For years, physicians and nutritionists debated what this mystery Activator X could be. Some thought it might be a kind of essential fatty acid like EPA. Sixty years after Activator X was first mentioned, researchers now believe Activator X to be vitamin K2."


Have you read the book "vitamin K2 and the calcium paradox"? I got bored with it so never finished but from memory it was a similar tale to your comment but the dentist was a woman, and she was curious about native tribes who sharpen their teeth, which triggered my question to you on the other thread. I still can't reconcile how anyone could ever sharpen their teeth.



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