Looks like Italy is in a BAD state of affairs with their hospital system potentially about to collapse. Is this just a microcosm of what lays ahead for the rest of us???
Our system is likely much better than Italy's.
For example we have the National Medical Stockpile made for just this emergency.
www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/health-pubhlth-strateg-bio-factsht_stckpile.htm
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-29/coronavirus-covid19-causes-national-medical-stockpile-to-open/12003980I read an audit the other night that listed 20 million masks in there. For comparison I read that the US has 12 million.
www.businessinsider.com/usa-1-percent-3-billion-face-masks-needed-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-3?r=AU&IR=T
SBS says we have 54 million now. The audit I read was from 2014. I guess they have been on top of things.
www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-s-frontline-health-workers-to-get-share-of-54-million-new-face-masks
So, on face masks alone, we are 40x more prepared than the US.
Select to expand quoteshi thouse said..
Looks like Italy is in a BAD state of affairs with their hospital system potentially about to collapse. Is this just a microcosm of what lays ahead for the rest of us???
in America no insurance ...no virus testing ...no medical assistance ...thats going to work out real well ..time will tell...
If you read what some journos are posting online we are stuffed.
This headline
"
Doctors are "extremely pissed off" at the government's coronavirus response as patients slam testing "shambles". Here's what you should do."
If you read further down he got his info from a Hindi Doctor in suburban Melbourne FGS.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..
No, didn't see it unfortunately. Doesn't sound like they are recovered...
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..
Question:
Has anyone else wondered why we haven't heard from any of the thousands of people who have recovered?
I haven't seen any media interviews, or heard any personal accounts from people online that have recovered from the Wuhan Flu.
You would think that hearing a first hand account of how 'mild' the virus can be would go a long way towards easing public uncertainty and concern.
Yet nothing out of all the thousands that have supposedly recovered.
Does anyone have any sources?
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-symptoms-a-brisbane-patient-with-coronavirus-urges-the-world-to-calm-down/news-story/30dcbd78989fb56c09584b1eb94c45fd
^^^ Would be fine if remains at that position in the list, but the death rate is doubling every week. You need to focus on the growth rates, not the standalone daily figures. That graph is already outdated, which is the scariest part.
think whats going to happen to the birth rate in 9 months time, it will blow out of the water, esp Italy
Select to expand quoteKelpoS said..
Everyone should have at least 2 weeks of non perishables ready to go.
What do you do at the end of the 2 weeks? That's what people will be thinking.... once the run on food begins, toilet paper will be the least of their concerns. Hopefully the government already has plans to address it.... food coupons anyone?
Select to expand quoteKelpoS said..
Everyone should have at least 2 weeks of non perishables ready to go.
Why stuff around with that. Just have woollies or Coles deliver ,leave at front door. And enjoy fresh. Better still one of those health food mobs that deliver like weight watchers and cure our obesity problem at the same time.
Select to expand quoteBananabender said..KelpoS said..
Everyone should have at least 2 weeks of non perishables ready to go.
Why stuff around with that. Just have woollies or Coles deliver ,leave at front door. And enjoy fresh. Better still one of those health food mobs that deliver like weight watchers and cure our obesity problem at the same time.
Yeah!
Let's all take advantage of people who have no financial choice but to work till they drop dead of the virus!
Who's with us??!!
Select to expand quoteBananabender said..KelpoS said..
Everyone should have at least 2 weeks of non perishables ready to go.
Why stuff around with that. Just have woollies or Coles deliver ,leave at front door. And enjoy fresh. Better still one of those health food mobs that deliver like weight watchers and cure our obesity problem at the same time.
Right now Coles is a 7 day wait for delivery in my area. Have fun getting a delivery when everyone is sick or in isolation.
I've got 5 mouths to feed in my family, aint taking no chances, and dunny paper is th
e last thing I care about.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..Bananabender said..KelpoS said..
Everyone should have at least 2 weeks of non perishables ready to go.
Why stuff around with that. Just have woollies or Coles deliver ,leave at front door. And enjoy fresh. Better still one of those health food mobs that deliver like weight watchers and cure our obesity problem at the same time.
Yeah!
Let's all take advantage of people who have no financial choice but to work till they drop dead of the virus!
Who's with us??!!
??? You mean keep people ,probably casuals , who need income in jobs is a bad thing because they might earn extra in picking packing delivering .
Select to expand quoteBananabender said..kiterboy said..Bananabender said..KelpoS said..
Everyone should have at least 2 weeks of non perishables ready to go.
Why stuff around with that. Just have woollies or Coles deliver ,leave at front door. And enjoy fresh. Better still one of those health food mobs that deliver like weight watchers and cure our obesity problem at the same time.
Yeah!
Let's all take advantage of people who have no financial choice but to work till they drop dead of the virus!
Who's with us??!!
??? You mean keep people ,probably casuals , who need income in jobs is a bad thing because they might earn extra in picking packing delivering .
That's right, until they die from the virus, like we said.
I'm glad that's settled. Now, are we playing croquet tomorrow, or trailing money on fishing line behind the Rolls, for the poor people to chase?
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..Bananabender said..kiterboy said..Bananabender said..KelpoS said..
Everyone should have at least 2 weeks of non perishables ready to go.
Why stuff around with that. Just have woollies or Coles deliver ,leave at front door. And enjoy fresh. Better still one of those health food mobs that deliver like weight watchers and cure our obesity problem at the same time.
Yeah!
Let's all take advantage of people who have no financial choice but to work till they drop dead of the virus!
Who's with us??!!
??? You mean keep people ,probably casuals , who need income in jobs is a bad thing because they might earn extra in picking packing delivering .
That's right, until they die from the virus, like we said.
I'm glad that's settled. Now, are we playing croquet tomorrow, or trailing money on fishing line behind the Rolls, for the poor people to chase?
OMG we are all doomed . Now let's see, it's effectively only those over 70 with lung issues or other medical probs that are likely to cark it . Most actually show little if any symptoms but we are all going to die . China, Italy , Japan have a much higher percentage of of oldies who are carking it but hey go on and panic
Select to expand quoteBananabender said..kiterboy said..Bananabender said..kiterboy said..Bananabender said..KelpoS said..
Everyone should have at least 2 weeks of non perishables ready to go.
Why stuff around with that. Just have woollies or Coles deliver ,leave at front door. And enjoy fresh. Better still one of those health food mobs that deliver like weight watchers and cure our obesity problem at the same time.
Yeah!
Let's all take advantage of people who have no financial choice but to work till they drop dead of the virus!
Who's with us??!!
??? You mean keep people ,probably casuals , who need income in jobs is a bad thing because they might earn extra in picking packing delivering .
That's right, until they die from the virus, like we said.
I'm glad that's settled. Now, are we playing croquet tomorrow, or trailing money on fishing line behind the Rolls, for the poor people to chase?
OMG we are all doomed . Now let's see, it's effectively only those over 70 with lung issues or other medical probs that are likely to cark it . Most actually show little if any symptoms but we are all going to die . China, Italy , Japan have a much higher percentage of of oldies who are carking it but hey go on and panic
Careful, your ignorance is showing.
But I have to admit I also support a fair bit of dying for people that aren't me, so fek all those old people. Amirite!?!
Uber eats and coming soon to a quarantine station near you, uber drinks
Deliverd by drones operated by the casual workforce in from the quarantine of their own home.
Select to expand quotelungs said..
Uber eats and coming soon to a quarantine station near you, uber drinks
Fresh Corona, delivered to your door!
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..Bananabender said..kiterboy said..Bananabender said..kiterboy said..Bananabender said..KelpoS said..
Everyone should have at least 2 weeks of non perishables ready to go.
Why stuff around with that. Just have woollies or Coles deliver ,leave at front door. And enjoy fresh. Better still one of those health food mobs that deliver like weight watchers and cure our obesity problem at the same time.
Yeah!
Let's all take advantage of people who have no financial choice but to work till they drop dead of the virus!
Who's with us??!!
??? You mean keep people ,probably casuals , who need income in jobs is a bad thing because they might earn extra in picking packing delivering .
That's right, until they die from the virus, like we said.
I'm glad that's settled. Now, are we playing croquet tomorrow, or trailing money on fishing line behind the Rolls, for the poor people to chase?
OMG we are all doomed . Now let's see, it's effectively only those over 70 with lung issues or other medical probs that are likely to cark it . Most actually show little if any symptoms but we are all going to die . China, Italy , Japan have a much higher percentage of of oldies who are carking it but hey go on and panic
Careful, your ignorance is showing.
But I have to admit I also support a fair bit of dying for people that aren't me, so fek all those old people. Amirite!?!
No not ignorance , been there done that. Perhaps you better start a veggie garden, that's where your greens come from, get a few chooks, a duck or two oh a milking goat might be a good idea . Armageddon
Select to expand quoteHarrow said..KelpoS said..
Everyone should have at least 2 weeks of non perishables ready to go.
What do you do at the end of the 2 weeks? That's what people will be thinking.... once the run on food begins, toilet paper will be the least of their concerns. Hopefully the government already has plans to address it.... food coupons anyone?
I wonder how many people would treat it as the emergency that it would be. In other words, you don't need to eat the same amount of food you normally would as you really don't know how long you have to last for. You can get by on a lot less than you otherwise eat, but most people won't want to.
Okay, maybe if you are already skinny, but if you are carrying a few extra emergency kilos, you won't need to eat much at all.
Ever watched Survivor when they were critical about how much food they gave the contestants? They still got by on very little rice and protein, and they were okay. A little skinnier, but otherwise okay.
Select to expand quoteBananabender said..kiterboy said..Bananabender said..kiterboy said..Bananabender said..kiterboy said..Bananabender said..KelpoS said..
Everyone should have at least 2 weeks of non perishables ready to go.
Why stuff around with that. Just have woollies or Coles deliver ,leave at front door. And enjoy fresh. Better still one of those health food mobs that deliver like weight watchers and cure our obesity problem at the same time.
Yeah!
Let's all take advantage of people who have no financial choice but to work till they drop dead of the virus!
Who's with us??!!
??? You mean keep people ,probably casuals , who need income in jobs is a bad thing because they might earn extra in picking packing delivering .
That's right, until they die from the virus, like we said.
I'm glad that's settled. Now, are we playing croquet tomorrow, or trailing money on fishing line behind the Rolls, for the poor people to chase?
OMG we are all doomed . Now let's see, it's effectively only those over 70 with lung issues or other medical probs that are likely to cark it . Most actually show little if any symptoms but we are all going to die . China, Italy , Japan have a much higher percentage of of oldies who are carking it but hey go on and panic
Careful, your ignorance is showing.
But I have to admit I also support a fair bit of dying for people that aren't me, so fek all those old people. Amirite!?!
No not ignorance , been there done that. Perhaps you better start a veggie garden, that's where your greens come from, get a few chooks, a duck or two oh a milking goat might be a good idea . Armageddon
Been there done that?
You mean living through a pandemic as wide spread this Wuhan Flu will be or killing old people?
My votes on the latter.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..Harrow said..KelpoS said..
Everyone should have at least 2 weeks of non perishables ready to go.
What do you do at the end of the 2 weeks? That's what people will be thinking.... once the run on food begins, toilet paper will be the least of their concerns. Hopefully the government already has plans to address it.... food coupons anyone?
I wonder how many people would treat it as the emergency that it would be. In other words, you don't need to eat the same amount of food you normally would as you really don't know how long you have to last for. You can get by on a lot less than you otherwise eat, but most people won't want to.
Okay, maybe if you are already skinny, but if you are carrying a few extra emergency kilos, you won't need to eat much at all.
Ever watched Survivor when they were critical about how much food they gave the contestants? They still got by on very little rice and protein, and they were okay. A little skinnier, but otherwise okay.
I'll happily go on 1/2 rations for month, get rid of a few KGs I don't need but wife (who doesn;t have an ounce of fat) and kids eat as normal.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..Bananabender said..kiterboy said..Bananabender said..kiterboy said..Bananabender said..kiterboy said..Bananabender said..KelpoS said..
Everyone should have at least 2 weeks of non perishables ready to go.
Why stuff around with that. Just have woollies or Coles deliver ,leave at front door. And enjoy fresh. Better still one of those health food mobs that deliver like weight watchers and cure our obesity problem at the same time.
Yeah!
Let's all take advantage of people who have no financial choice but to work till they drop dead of the virus!
Who's with us??!!
??? You mean keep people ,probably casuals , who need income in jobs is a bad thing because they might earn extra in picking packing delivering .
That's right, until they die from the virus, like we said.
I'm glad that's settled. Now, are we playing croquet tomorrow, or trailing money on fishing line behind the Rolls, for the poor people to chase?
OMG we are all doomed . Now let's see, it's effectively only those over 70 with lung issues or other medical probs that are likely to cark it . Most actually show little if any symptoms but we are all going to die . China, Italy , Japan have a much higher percentage of of oldies who are carking it but hey go on and panic
Careful, your ignorance is showing.
But I have to admit I also support a fair bit of dying for people that aren't me, so fek all those old people. Amirite!?!
No not ignorance , been there done that. Perhaps you better start a veggie garden, that's where your greens come from, get a few chooks, a duck or two oh a milking goat might be a good idea . Armageddon
Been there done that?
You mean living through a pandemic as wide spread this Wuhan Flu will be or killing old people?
My votes on the latter.
You mean like SARS, bird flu, swine flu...?
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..
You mean like SARS, bird flu, swine flu...?
Yes, and no. It's interesting to look at the comparison.
People are saying that SARS had a lower infection rate. I just read the WHO global consensus report on SARS, and it appears it had an R0 of around 3, but this was reduced to below 1 by infection control measures. As a result, even with a mortality rate of around 10%, only 800 people died from it.
Coronavirus seems to have a similar R0 of around 3, but a much lower mortality rate than SARS. Yet, there are over 100,000 cases and 4,000 deaths, with the number of infections doubling every 4-5 days and the daily death rate on a steady rise. Project those numbers and there is potential for millions of deaths.
I draw the conclusion that rather ironically, the lower mortality rate of Coronavirus is making it more deadly. People were so freakin' scared about SARS that the infection control was effective. However, so many people are complacent about Coronavirus that they are mostly ignoring any infection control and going about their normal daily activities, thus the continuing exponential growth. Most countries have done sweet FA until it is too late. If Corona was killing 10%, no doubt we'd all be doing a heck of a lot more to reduce the transmission. There'd be massive blitz education on all TV stations and imperatives given to everyone to follow the advice religiously. We've over 100 confirmed cases in Australia, which is likely more like 1,000 due to the incubation period, the number is climbing steadily each day, and still, the only thing we are really concerned about is running out of toilet paper.
Due to complacency, it has spread globally, which is not like SARS or MERS, and with a mortality rate 30 times higher than swine flu, it's not like that either. Time will tell, I'd love to be wrong, but I feel the Italian twitter post shown earlier in this thread could turn out to be rather prophetic. I'm also amazed by how many people are saying 'who cares, only old people will die', what an absolutely disgusting attitude.
