Back to my simple day out fishing. When I hook the boat up and head for the ramp I have to deal with the road police. When I get to the ramp then I have to deal with the parking inspector to make sure I have a ramp ticket. I fire the boat up out I go and then there they are the water police. After I have provided all the safety gear I get on with fishing. Back to the ramp and there they are fisheries.
Is everyone getting the point. If you believe that they can't police this, and I won't get caught, then try explaining that to the judge that your above the law and that life jackets are a crock. Because the water police don't care, there out there filling there daily quotas.
If I lived in NSW I think I would be buying a pocket epirb and a safety flare and another gas cylinder for my life jacket and a. whistle for my life jacket and reflective strips for my kite. Why. Because thats what comes after a life jacket.
Select to expand quotegazman2 said..
Back to my simple day out fishing. When I hook the boat up and head for the ramp I have to deal with the road police. When I get to the ramp then I have to deal with the parking inspector to make sure I have a ramp ticket. I fire the boat up out I go and then there they are the water police. After I have provided all the safety gear I get on with fishing. Back to the ramp and there they are fisheries.
Is everyone getting the point. If you believe that they can't police this, and I won't get caught, then try explaining that to the judge that your above the law and that life jackets are a crock. Because the water police don't care, there out there filling there daily quotas.
If I lived in NSW I think I would be buying a pocket epirb and a safety flare and another gas cylinder for my life jacket and a. whistle for my life jacket and reflective strips for my kite. Why. Because thats what comes after a life jacket.
hear hear
Select to expand quotegazman2 said...
Back to my simple day out fishing. When I hook the boat up and head for the ramp I have to deal with the road police. When I get to the ramp then I have to deal with the parking inspector to make sure I have a ramp ticket. I fire the boat up out I go and then there they are the water police. After I have provided all the safety gear I get on with fishing. Back to the ramp and there they are fisheries.
Is everyone getting the point. If you believe that they can't police this, and I won't get caught, then try explaining that to the judge that your above the law and that life jackets are a crock. Because the water police don't care, there out there filling there daily quotas.
If I lived in NSW I think I would be buying a pocket epirb and a safety flare and another gas cylinder for my life jacket and a. whistle for my life jacket and reflective strips for my kite. Why. Because thats what comes after a life jacket.
True
Its so nice besides the people..thE freedom of being able to get out there and not be hassled by people ..mostly
Select to expand quoteKozzie said..
people just meandering around walking past them, pretty incredible really
i wonder if any other super great artists were percieved as little more then nothing at the start
until they eventually amassed enough followers to tear the associations governing us down like the KAY AYYYYY!!! BOOOOOO HISSSSS BOOOOOOOOOO
if I had a time machine, I'd be visiting stuff like this!
if I had a time machine i would pull up Kiteboarding Australias comments (BEFORE THEY HAD ME CENSORED and banned) saying they recieve no government FUNDS and show them this which they just sent me!
"The chance to get involved with KA design work on an ongoing basis, including a government funded online learning program focusing on water safety"
lieing twofaced priks like all business's
claim they dont recieve ANY FUNDING from taxpayers pisses me off so much if there was NO FUNDS they wouldnt exist and we wouldnt have to be bloody well wearing life jackets for ONE thing and having to fight in the future over governing bodys being forced to be members to enter a competition seriously being forced into insurance and having to register to simply enjoy our sport.
scum
Select to expand quoteKIT33R said...
An awful lot of work was done a few years back to stop this stupid regulation. So, what happened?
Select to expand quoteKozzie said..
if I had a time machine i would pull up Kiteboarding Australias comments (BEFORE THEY HAD ME CENSORED and banned) saying they recieve no government FUNDS and show them this which they just sent me!
"The chance to get involved with KA design work on an ongoing basis, including a government funded online learning program focusing on water safety"
lieing twofaced priks like all business's
claim they dont recieve ANY FUNDING from taxpayers pisses me off so much if there was NO FUNDS they wouldnt exist and we wouldnt have to be bloody well wearing life jackets for ONE thing and having to fight in the future over governing bodys being forced to be members to enter a competition seriously being forced into insurance and having to register to simply enjoy our sport.
scum
This is the same government that banned greyhound racing yet let jockeys and drivers whip horses.
I know who needs a good whipping
Select to expand quotetimmybuddhadude said..KIT33R said...
An awful lot of work was done a few years back to stop this stupid regulation. So, what happened?
I'm not sure what is so hard to understand here:
* A revision of Lifejacket regs was circulated by the NSW Government. It has been around for some time.
* KBNSW made a very similar submission to the one made the last time this nonsense was proposed.
* It appears the submission was completely ignored - just like submissions from other water user groups - no we are not the only one affected!
* The Government amended the regs despite the submissions - they do this quite frequently! Consultation is a bit of a joke these days.
* If you need another example, look at the new laws for bike riders and the ridiculous fines the NSW Government implemented there.
* Vent your anger on the right people - sign the online petition and write to your local member (NSW), the responsible Minister - Duncan Gay, and the Premier - Mike Baird and explain why some of these changes are downright dangerous and unnecessary and need to be revisited urgently.
* Despite the misguided drivel above, KAL do not receive government funding to run the organisation. Funding comes from member subscriptions and much of that goes out again to fund the insurance policy that members receive the benefit of. They have just received a single government grant in Victoria to develop a specific safety training program.
* As Alex said earlier work is being done to try and reverse this decision in NSW and hopefully to dissuade other states and territories from following suit - yes they are a little like lemmings sometimes!
and we can not be punished IF there is no kitesurfing governing body like Kiteboarding Australia Limited is trying to CREATE!
if there is no org no committee no nothing HOW can they possibly police it?!?! they can not, they cant impose any laws and they certaintly cant convict anyone as there would be required a SIGN at EVERY SINGLE ENTRANCE to the water notifying you.
is ANYONE grasping the point i have just made?!?!
abolish all kitesurfing committies and orgs etc etc leave it all the **** alone you are only weakening us and making us susceptible to being penalized. you think you are doing good but you are not. it needs to be understood loud and clear that we are the same as surfers. there is far to much coastline and waaaay to low a population for you asshats to start muddleing this all up for EVERYONE. let us fight our own little fights in the council there is no need for any sort of amalgamation. you need to understand queensland has beaches MANY MANY beaches where not a single bloody kitesurfer lives. some where there is just ONE and if HE ****s up and for whatever reason let him wear it and sort it out. why should he be heaped into the same bloody bucket with all you ass****inghats from sydney and melbourne with your high populations and high risks?!? you want funds? get a ****ing job
Select to expand quoteeppo said...
Damn that was sick .... raw and soooo good.
+1
But the presenter chick knew something special was going down
Really enjoyed that! Might have to make time to give old rage a couple more spins
Cheers koz
Select to expand quoteKozzie said..
and we can not be punished IF there is no kitesurfing governing body like Kiteboarding Australia Limited is trying to CREATE!
if there is no org no committee no nothing HOW can they possibly police it?!?! they can not, they cant impose any laws and they certaintly cant convict anyone as there would be required a SIGN at EVERY SINGLE ENTRANCE to the water notifying you.
is ANYONE grasping the point i have just made?!?!
abolish all kitesurfing committies and orgs etc etc leave it all the **** alone you are only weakening us and making us susceptible to being penalized. you think you are doing good but you are not. it needs to be understood loud and clear that we are the same as surfers. there is far to much coastline and waaaay to low a population for you asshats to start muddleing this all up for EVERYONE. let us fight our own little fights in the council there is no need for any sort of amalgamation. you need to understand queensland has beaches MANY MANY beaches where not a single bloody kitesurfer lives. some where there is just ONE and if HE ****s up and for whatever reason let him wear it and sort it out. why should he be heaped into the same bloody bucket with all you ass****inghats from sydney and melbourne with your high populations and high risks?!? you want funds? get a ****ing job
Select to expand quoteKozzie said..
is ANYONE grasping the point i have just made?!?!
abolish all kitesurfing committies and orgs etc etc leave it all the **** alone you are only weakening us and making us susceptible to being penalized.
I'm digging your point. ^^^
But can I suggest one small thing, Kozzie.
Could you please ease off on all the asterisks, it makes the sentences less flowing, it's broken English and it's annoying to decode.
Try to be creative by finding ways to circumvent the censorship regime that Seabreeze insists upon.
lol.
To many gauls not enuff romans but he has a point. Before a organisation for kiteboarding existed general public wouldnt know if it was surfing or windsurfing or kite flyers or sailing etc etc we could dance around all the issues without a blow hitting us. Now with kiteboarding australia and its predecessors it opened up the ability for the government to do huge state wide bands that were affecting beaches and lakes that had never seen a kite on them. It just opens us up for attack.
Damn Kozzie, that was the longest I have ever stayed on a thread. That was an EPIC blast from the past! Real, raw, and tight. And to answer your question, most bands start off as nobody. They earn their respect and fans. Now, back to the music....
We already have it but only if 400m offshore, never been an issue here.
QUOTE:
Kiteboards - a kitersurfer on the water is considered to be vessel and as such must adhere to all applicable rules and regulations.
Under the Marine Safety Regulations, a kitesurfer must wear a Type 1, 2 or 3 (Level 100+, Level 50 or level 50S) lifejacket at all times when kiteboarding more than 400m from the shore on enclosed or inland State waters. If you are kiteboarding more than 400 m from shore on coastal waters, you are required to wear a Type 1 or 2 lifejacket (Level 100+ or Level 50).
See specific Vic kiteboard regs on link below
transportsafety.vic.gov.au/maritime-safety/recreational-vessel-operators/powerboat/victorian-recreational-boating-safety-handbook
well well well
stupid nsw
can't play rugby league
and now they've managed to kick an own-goal
visiting kitesurfers will avoid nsw like the plague
nsw kitesurfers will avoid nsw like the plague
queensland wins, again
Select to expand quoteKozzie said..
and we can not be punished IF there is no kitesurfing governing body like Kiteboarding Australia Limited is trying to CREATE!
Nice idea but the NSWKSA was partially formed because beach access was already threatened as far back as 2002, (or earlier, I didn't get into the sport until 2002)
If I remember correctly, Botany Bay in particular was at threat because of the proximity to the airport.
I was briefly a member of the committee in 2004, and one of my jobs at the time was to turn up to meeting called by Waterways to discuss the Whale Tour Operators feeling threatened by the proximity of kiters when trying to navigate the entrance to Georges River in Botany Bay. Without a representative there, Dolls Point may have been closed and, yes, Waterways would have enforced it.
Anyway, lets hope for a rational resolution.
Select to expand quoteTrant said...Kozzie said..
and we can not be punished IF there is no kitesurfing governing body like Kiteboarding Australia Limited is trying to CREATE!
Nice idea but the NSWKSA was partially formed because beach access was already threatened as far back as 2002, (or earlier, I didn't get into the sport until 2002)
If I remember correctly, Botany Bay in particular was at threat because of the proximity to the airport.
I was briefly a member of the committee in 2004, and one of my jobs at the time was to turn up to meeting called by Waterways to discuss the Whale Tour Operators feeling threatened by the proximity of kiters when trying to navigate the entrance to Georges River in Botany Bay. Without a representative there, Dolls Point may have been closed and, yes, Waterways would have enforced it.
Anyway, lets hope for a rational resolution.
Without your committee
If they closed it who would they tell it is closed? The kitesurfers? One by one? I do not think so. Instead they told the committee so that way it could be acknowledge and recorded as the kitesurfers were told.
i would like to see ka and all state associations closed down for a few years and then watch the tears of idiots like kozzie when sh!t really does get shut down and enforced, i'll laugh my ass off
Select to expand quotemazdon said..
eppo said...
Damn that was sick .... raw and soooo good.
+1
But the presenter chick knew something special was going down
Really enjoyed that! Might have to make time to give old rage a couple more spins
Cheers koz
Lost my licence while listening to RATM when i was 18... speeeeding Stupid but sure is good go fast music!
Oh and good luck with the inflatables NSW, oping Victorians aren't so stupid. How many people could possibly be caught if they did try to police it? All seems a bit why bother? No prior drawings etc and could possibly be its own safety hazard, not required in waves etc etc, all seems vague, how big does a wave need to be?
Select to expand quotedusta said..
i'll laugh my ass off
"Hi, I'm from WAKSA and I'm here to help you....now bend over and feel the love."
Select to expand quotewaveslave said..dusta said..
i'll laugh my ass off
"Hi, I'm from WAKSA and I'm here to help you....now bend over and feel the love."
i'm not on the committee
Select to expand quotedusta said..waveslave said..dusta said..
i'll laugh my ass off
"Hi, I'm from WAKSA and I'm here to help you....now bend over and feel the love."
i'm not on the committee
Duly noted. ^^^
So you're just a fan-boy then.
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Without your committee
If they closed it who would they tell it is closed? The kitesurfers? One by one? I do not think so. Instead they told the committee so that way it could be acknowledge and recorded as the kitesurfers were told.
That's kind of the point, yes they would have. They'd have put up signs and then enforced the rules with fines.
Without the committee, a lot of popular kite spots would have been closed down a long time ago.
Select to expand quotewaveslave said..dusta said..waveslave said..dusta said..
i'll laugh my ass off
"Hi, I'm from WAKSA and I'm here to help you....now bend over and feel the love."
i'm not on the committee
Duly noted. ^^^
So you're just a fan-boy then.
totally
We should be more like surfing, right ...Surfing Australia = memberships, insurance, sponsors, fully employed staff...
The majority of Members of Surfing Australia are Comp Surfers. The other 99.5 % of Surfers aren't members Nor Know about or Care about it. Surfing Australia only takes care of comp Surfers.
As a Surfer and Kiter I'm not interested in being a Joiner of Associations. As 2 many people in them have their own Agendas. I'm just into Kiting.
this is what i found for pfd's for WA from google
www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/marine/MAC-B-KiteWindsurfingSafetyEquipC.pdf
the epirb/flares are another expense and additional kit if you a wave sailing/kiting say 700m offshore
theres a lot of waves spots that are just a touch further than 400m offshore, a couple of them with reputations of wind going offshore.
I just can't see the majority of kiters and sailors in waves adopting these requirements.
I've had a few circumstances when equipment failures occurred when 500m - 1km offshore, but i survived by just slowly paddling in on a board. if you lost your board you would like a pfd on. A wetsuit can give you enough float, but in summer its most likely boardies and t shirt, so no extra float, when you are stuck offshore and left to swim.
