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is anyone actually impressed by wave riding?

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Created by flapjack > 9 months ago, 23 Nov 2007
flapjack
WA, 78 posts
23 Nov 2007 3:29PM
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hey guys noticed that people think wave riding is now the progressive side of the sport, is it really? i recall seeing the same riding of waves 5 years ago on awake.

Abesy
WA, 266 posts
23 Nov 2007 3:38PM
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Was that even worth saying!!
Obviously otherwise kite companys wouldn't bother spending money producing products specifically targeting the surfing aspect of the sport like surfing movies, boards and kites...

Seriously some of the topics being started in the forum are s*#, like "has anybody got some cool kiteboarding stories"....

meerkat
WA, 644 posts
23 Nov 2007 3:40PM
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flapjack said...

hey guys noticed that people think wave riding is now the progressive side of the sport, is it really? i recall seeing the same riding of waves 5 years ago on awake.


Last time i checked the sport was about participating rather than spectating, but to each their own.

And yes i am constanty impressed by my ability to control the power/speed/position of my kite, board speed, negotiate the rip, tide, angle of the beach, angle of the wind to the beach, wave direction and wave position using 2mm of wax to keep me on the board, all out to repeat a magazine cover shot.

I'm really good just ask me. Note: i don't have any mates though or am actually any good.(Even kiteboy snubs me.) So my opinion might not count and i am bored, at work.

flapjack
WA, 78 posts
23 Nov 2007 3:56PM
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yeah my opinion is that it looks way slower then actual surfing and heaps less dangerous, as you are holding on to a lifeline that will pull you up if you get dumped. i just dont think its anywhere near as hard as surfing, at all. so its not impressive

bobjaan
WA, 314 posts
23 Nov 2007 4:00PM
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Amazing how three beers at lunch time distracts you from work and makes the forum so much more appealing.

More to the point, depends on what you into really, if you have been around for a while or are from a surfing background, than wakestyle becomes a little tedious.

I find tearing it up on a DIFFERENT wave really appealing and every section is different. And yes only 2mm of wax makes it all the more challenging.

Then after a few days I go back to trying to stick a mobe.

Surfing is more fun and wakestyle is more achieving.

trevor1
WA, 598 posts
23 Nov 2007 4:02PM
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yawn

bobjaan
WA, 314 posts
23 Nov 2007 4:03PM
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Flapjack Quote" yeah my opinion is that it looks way slower then actual surfing and heaps less dangerous, as you are holding on to a lifeline that will pull you up if you get dumped. i just dont think its anywhere near as hard as surfing, at all. so its not impressive "

Now you gonna feel the wrath of every kite SURFER.

I have surfed for 10 years and surfing is harder in some respects, but kitesurfing is sometimes really impossible when trying to set yourself up for a huge off the lip when keeping perfect control of your kite.

As for kitesurfing being slower, you obviously had more beers at lunch than me -

meerkat
WA, 644 posts
23 Nov 2007 4:23PM
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bobjaan said...
As for kitesurfing being slower, you obviously had more beers at lunch than me -


I knew i forgot to do something and or wasn't invited. Flapjack, tell you what. I will make a short video of me kiting in the waves, then when you can't sleep at night just pop it in your betamax and you can sleep all day.

Kiting in ANY conditions is boring if you don't push yourself or your equipment.

i see i will have to explain.

Some of the "surfers" at my local use 10ft tankers to catch 1foot waves, exciting? nope. Same equipment used at margies in large overhead waves, much better. Same for kiting in waves, learn in the small stuff then push the limits.

Kiting in waves doesn't appear difficult as most of the hard stuff is technical and quite difficult to pickup. Anyone with a bit of co-ord can learn to kite and start doing "huge floaty tea bagging" stuff within a couple of weeks on the flat water, but i challenge any ADVANCED(and bored apparently) flat water rider to borrow my 6.2 surfboard in 25-30knts, in shoulder high waves and at a changing tide to show me just how boring it is. Come on! i dare you?

dave......
WA, 2119 posts
23 Nov 2007 5:43PM
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Flapjack Quote" yeah my opinion is that it looks way slower then actual surfing and heaps less dangerous...
What a joke!
kite SURFERS actually use a board with slightly thinner rails and less width to their regular surfing board to combat high speed turns and the boards tendency to cavitate or bounce out...
There really are no waves in Adelaide, is there..........

elemental
NSW, 165 posts
23 Nov 2007 8:38PM
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flapjack have you ever surfed before? have you noticed on a realy bad wipe out you only have to worry about drowning, the bottom(underwater hazards) and your surfboard and the odd person! Well add a kite ,80 odd meters of line and sometimes tangles , a downed kite thats been mangled by the surf then fight the surf with all this mess! Or you could just paddle in on your surfboard? Im impressed as hell as a surfer and a kiter! Maybe sometimes people should just sit back and have a think about bagging something before posting??

Blue skies and good winds

but hey thats my view each to there own!

Blownaway
QLD, 776 posts
23 Nov 2007 7:51PM
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Yea I am impressed,been surfing for 20 odd yrs an "kite surfing" for about 2 an seriously addicted just like when you first get your first barrell, only a surfer knows the feeling
oh yeh ,Dont really give a stuff if no one is impressed cause I am lovin it

Paradox
QLD, 1326 posts
23 Nov 2007 8:21PM
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Wow - nice troll Flap......plenty of bites!

Although if you treat the inflammatory title as a hook and ignore the second post he spoiled it with, the initial question posed by Flap could be considered a reasonable one (even if it was still a troll). To paraphrase: Has wave riding progressed in the last 5 years? and is it currently the most progressive aspect of the sport?

I personally don't know as I have only decided to augment my very average but long standing surfing skills with a kite recently. I took up kiting to surf waves and am not overly interested in tricks (probably because I suck at them).

I won't get into the difficulty argument as anyone who has tried it knows it is not remotely as easy as it may look, and I have not had the temerity to even think I am ready to unhook and ditch the straps on the converse yet. (I also can't believe I used "temerity" in a sentence on this forum - I feel like Frazer Crane)

I would imagine the recent improvements in kite performance and versatility has way improved the wave riding ability and attractiveness though. I have seen some unbelievable kitesurf video recently. But is that the case? Were they ripping it up just as good 5 years ago too?

hawaii
VIC, 130 posts
23 Nov 2007 9:26PM
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ok flapjack are u actually able to surf a wave either with or without a kite?

mtcan
QLD, 251 posts
23 Nov 2007 8:47PM
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the only bad side to kite surfing is that less time spent surfing

marty72
QLD, 298 posts
23 Nov 2007 9:16PM
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flapjack said...

hey guys noticed that people think wave riding is now the progressive side of the sport, is it really? i recall seeing the same riding of waves 5 years ago on awake.


Just wondering what drugs/medication your on?

mtcan
QLD, 251 posts
23 Nov 2007 9:20PM
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only a surfer knows the feeling the rest are just pretenders and wind surfers

cwamit
WA, 1194 posts
23 Nov 2007 9:28PM
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Its funny reading the replies they are all defensive because most don’t actually answer the question but more argue the point it can be dangerous as well as difficult....

kite surfing the waves as a spectator I would say, no its not that impressive watching people ride onshore slop as most do, not knocking the discipline but from a viewers perspective its not that impressive - at least not comparable to say a big boost jingle jingo trick … but then the same can be said for wakestyle kite low tricks from a viewers perspective....

kite surfing in cross offshore winds with a style that is powerful in turns without straps is impressive to me but again it’s impressive because there is more risk in those conditions than the average session onshore that most kitesurfers are into (and rightly so for safety), it (offshore) also can be more difficult depending on what type of break your dealing with, if its just a head high dumper wave or you can get a couple of turns on it or for the chance of trying to get a barrel hooked into a kite….

what I believe is poor for the progression of kite surfing as a disipline is that surfers tend to have this rigid idea of whats expected and whats true to surfing, they then bring this expectation over into the kitesurfing scene and this only box's them into one style... the strapless depower your kite kind of thing .. the power of a kite offers a lot more than just the power of a wave or the power of a tow in with a jet ski (regarding straps).. Don’t put boundaries on the disipline, that’s just what the marketing companies want to further entice surfers into a box!

Kite surfing is not surfing… period!

There probably is very little difference from 5 years ago except the marketing angle and the gear used has changed.. from a wave riding perspective though it hasn’t changed to be any more impressionable , if you look at then and now.

I by far am not a good kite” surfer" but I know what’s impressionable and also what’s difficult. I like to think I also have a good imagination of what’s possible for dudes that do naturally rip to take the sport to a higher level than already being done – and with my imagination I am pretty sure its going to be impressive

I think you should do what makes you happy and also think this post originally is just someone fishing for attention ...I also see future replies along the lines o******o what makes you happy and along the lines of trolling fishing analogies...hindsight into the future is a marvelous thing

bellz
WA, 572 posts
23 Nov 2007 9:59PM
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im going to have to agree with cwamit when surfers come across from surfing they restrict themselves saying this is how u kitesurf but kitesurfing is not surfing and i think that kitesurfing shouldnt be about how everyone else kitesurfs it should be about wat makes u happy and to finish your session being the happiness person alive

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
23 Nov 2007 10:02PM
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"is anyone actually impressed by wave riding" ?

Well,
I'm impressed by Mick Fanning's wave riding.
Wink.
Flapjack, if you are referring to wavekiting....
I'm impressed how wavekiting makes junksurf hell-fun.
It's magic how it makes it almost rip-able.
lol.

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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23 Nov 2007 10:03PM
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Sorry Flapjack, I really dont give a stuff what others think, I ride for my own amusement, not for that of others.

I challenge myself every wave I ride on, to get better so I can be more fluid and more skilled at riding even the sloppiest of surf.

Progressive or not, again, I don't really care, it does it for me, it makes me happy. And sometimes I get on a big kite in light winds and I ride a school board when no one else is out and I just go out and back, and again, it's just for me, because it makes me happy.

Do what makes you happy

Good winds,

Ben De Jonge
WA, 819 posts
23 Nov 2007 10:16PM
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Geez, I got here too late, and its all been said.

South Australians, they're a funny bunch...

Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
23 Nov 2007 11:47PM
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Not a bad catch

fozzy
SA, 501 posts
24 Nov 2007 12:00AM
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Ben De Jonge said...

Geez, I got here too late, and its all been said.

South Australians, they're a funny bunch...


Don't put us all into that basket. And no comments from you thanks Spacey

flapjack
WA, 78 posts
23 Nov 2007 10:36PM
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meerkat said...
Kiting in waves doesn't appear difficult

thats because its not difficult. you have to admit though it looks pretty fu<ken $hit

Blaster
WA, 501 posts
23 Nov 2007 11:07PM
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Does it matter As long as you come in happy with a smile on your face who really cares.
Some might be into hanging from the bar looking like some monkey having an epileptic fit, others may enjoy cruising in and out the breakers and picking off a shoulder or two enjoying both the swells that travel thousands of kms whilst harnessing the winds power at the same time.

Personally I like the waves when theres swell and flat water the rest the time. What everyone else does I couldn't give a rats arse.[}:)]

coreyb
WA, 463 posts
24 Nov 2007 1:07AM
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Nice one Flapperjack.

Just goes to show your an expert. Im sure it all looks the same to you. Similar to how surfing hasnt cahnged either.

Lou was doing all the handlepass tricks you guys are trying to learn in the same movie, I guess freestyle hasnt progressed then.

jquigley
WA, 205 posts
24 Nov 2007 2:00AM
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Try and think of it in terms of when you take a long overdue dump flapjack.

It's one of those supremely satisfying moments, when everything is as it should be. A zen moment if you like.

May not be impressive to anyone else but that's not the point.

J-P

kitecrazzzy
WA, 2184 posts
24 Nov 2007 10:43AM
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perth has had 2 classy days this year [while i was here] and on both of them i was the only kiter out [at cott].
there is always the extreme end to everything but the average kite on the beach is about as close to surfing as i am when scurfing.
if i was to head down south or somewhere and see a real rider going for it in over head then i would be impressed.

sparechange ect is impressive

taxi
QLD, 416 posts
24 Nov 2007 5:31PM
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flapjack can"t surf.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
24 Nov 2007 7:03PM
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Wavekiting is really just this;
bottom-turn......top-turn......bottom-turn......top-turn.......bottom-turn......top-turn.......bottom-turn.......top-turn >> to infinity.
Sounds repetitive hey ?
lol.
But it's so much fun; you just want to do that sh1t all day long.

The technical part of it is getting the rythmn dialled for each particular wave.
Every waveface is unique......
unlike those pretend waves the flatwater bandits play on......
those sliders and kickers that look so bad-arse with all their cool stickers.
lol.

puppetonastring
WA, 3619 posts
24 Nov 2007 7:21PM
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jquigley said...

Try and think of it in terms of when you take a long overdue dump flapjack.

It's one of those supremely satisfying moments, when everything is as it should be. A zen moment if you like.

May not be impressive to anyone else but that's not the point.

J-P


Classic Gold - how good is that
Laurie should award prizes for replies like that



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