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Winged Mini

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Created by aus230 > 9 months ago, 17 Nov 2011
aus230
WA, 1659 posts
23 Nov 2011 10:03PM
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Its a scaled down st49 , I just scaled the plans down to what I thing would be controllable and fit a mini. (and kinda look right)
If you compare the pics it looks about right except for the longer front end on st49, I think that can be compensated for
Cheers
Vic











Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
23 Nov 2011 11:18PM
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sn said...

colk2004 said...

What you need is a Test Pilot with some extra mid section bulk to give effective ballast to provide bigger safety margin of stability
You gotta love this forum. Most forums talk the talk and then...talk a load more. Everyone on here seems to just get on and do it. Fantastic.

Cheers Col


fixed it for you

dunno where to find such a candidate though........


You called

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
24 Nov 2011 9:18AM
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Aus,
My concern (They may be yours) is for the family jewels. Will that Mast step not be a little toooo close for comfort?
Ron

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
24 Nov 2011 8:11AM
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That is one of the areas that could be a challenge, but I still have to build a new mini so I hope that that can be overcome. Just checked I have 6" clearance about the same as my class5 and the wing may have to go forward a couple of inches to compensate for the shorter front
Cheers vic

frogy
42 posts
24 Nov 2011 5:41PM
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Bonjour,
Please consider this project:
sailrocket.com

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
24 Nov 2011 7:22PM
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You are kidding have a look at this. at the one minute mark



Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
24 Nov 2011 10:34PM
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Here is a clip that might ease your mind a little..... have a close look at 50 seconds in you will notice when he tacks the rig does about 3 small wobbles.

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
24 Nov 2011 10:07PM
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Video on using the wing on st49, I hope mine will act the same

cheers

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
25 Nov 2011 8:58PM
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I have finished the wings except for final sanding and seal with epoxy.
Installed some temporary hinges, The shape it really smooth when the foil is set about 10%. /15%
Cheers
aus230

Started the whale back for the new mini.



inside wing foil


Smooth foil shape





aus230
WA, 1659 posts
27 Nov 2011 3:11PM
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Bit more progress today




grlynch
QLD, 208 posts
27 Nov 2011 5:42PM
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startin to look quite formidable[}:)]

I like it.

sn
WA, 2775 posts
27 Nov 2011 4:59PM
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seeing how its all plywood I think it should be called "MOSQUITO"

Hiko
1229 posts
27 Nov 2011 6:31PM
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Wow impressive This is looking good!

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
27 Nov 2011 7:56PM
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just remember to leave enough room in there to steer with your shoes on. I have a yacht at home that i can only steer with bare feet

mrsquish
VIC, 80 posts
27 Nov 2011 11:29PM
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landyacht said...

just remember to leave enough room in there to steer with your shoes on. I have a yacht at home that i can only steer with bare feet


Woah that's some tight tolerances!

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
27 Nov 2011 11:20PM
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Or use hand steering.... Most Ice yachts do, Blokarts do, DN class yachts do.
If you went hand steering, kayaks could be used as yacht bodies, With feet steering you need to be able to move your feet as well as your legs and knees.

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
27 Nov 2011 9:38PM
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I am going to set my steering up a bit different to the current mini's so there is plenty of room. It will not be possible to have hand steering as the mast rotation is controlled by a wheel and the flap has to be adjusted while sailing
These pics have been scaled down to suit the mini
Cheers






cisco
QLD, 12321 posts
28 Nov 2011 12:23AM
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Astounding Vic. Look out Vindicator!

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
29 Nov 2011 10:04PM
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cisco said...

Astounding Vic. Look out Vindicator!

fat chance freddy

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
29 Nov 2011 11:14PM
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Cisco, I think Vindicator is a little out of my league. But I hope it will preform as a mini, I think there will be a lot of trial and error with this one. By the way Thanks for showing me around while I was over your way. much appreciated

iand
QLD, 243 posts
30 Nov 2011 1:35AM
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wondering if your going to use the same front stay/ballast setup

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
30 Nov 2011 12:40AM
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Now where should the wing be placed on the body, the best info I can find is that 30 to400% of the wing should be behind the rear axle.Any one have any other info as once it is fitted is will be difficult to move.

cheers
aus230

info from winged landyachts
I have found that my wings want to be located with 30% to 40 % of their area behind the center of the runner plank . If they are located further forward the front end washes out due to side loads. If it too far back the rear end washes out. I prefer the rear end washing out before the front. It seems like the smaller the boat the more critical this becomes. Smaller boats are trickier to get balanced right because the front end gets very light because the runner plank has to moved forward more. That makes the front end even lighter. On my new ST 40 boats I'm trying to place the runner plank 30'' from the rear of the fuselage(the end of the seat back) to keep more weight on the front end.I will make the runner plank location adjustable as well to find the perfect spot for balance. On Wingnut 1 I had moved the plank to about the 34'' forward. This did work but I'm afraid a heavier person than myself may have a hard time keeping more weight on the front end. Especially getting in and out of the boat when body weight is furthest back. To compensate I'm going to rake the wing back about 23'' at its tip. This puts about 35% of the wings area behind the runner plank center line.

Locating the main wing controls. I have placed my main wing control pivot point with 28 % to 25 % of the area in front of the pivot. The location of the side hound for and aft plays a big role in this equation. I have built the side hound tang 2.5''x 2.5'' with multiple attachment holes for and aft to fine tune the pivot location. If the pivot is too far back the wing will not want to sheet out by itself . If it located too far forward it wants to sheet out too easy and there is more stress on the main wing control. There are many variables for locating the bottom pivot point to get in the 25 to 28 % range . Its just a matter of drawing a side view of the wing and adjusting the side hound and main wing pivot location to suite your needs

iand
QLD, 243 posts
30 Nov 2011 12:04PM
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the mast rotation control ratio- is this decided by experience or will it be a tuning adjustment ?

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
30 Nov 2011 10:55AM
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A bit of both, and advice from others

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
4 Dec 2011 9:15PM
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from reading the mast base notes you will need to build a set up that initially allow as some movement fore and aft to get the balance right.
maybe 200mm. it will vary depending on who is sailing too

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
4 Dec 2011 9:18PM
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building that now, Waiting for a 10tooth sprocket to arrive. The t section allows for plenty off adjustment for and aft at the top of the wing.
Cheers
Vic

Arjay
VIC, 267 posts
5 Dec 2011 6:27PM
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magic...pure magic....cant wait to see it go!!

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
6 Dec 2011 1:34PM
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Bit more.
Rough setup of body to get some idea what it will look like at the end. rough fitting of T piece, final settings will be done when all the parts are made

Two pics show how far the wing can be adjusted forward and back on the T piece

Front of body (nose)has not been made yet, that will be done when the front springboard is in place.

Mini will fit inside the 5.6m rope rule, everything else is way outside of anything

Cheers
Vic






Hiko
1229 posts
6 Dec 2011 7:41PM
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Man you are really coming along with this

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
6 Dec 2011 10:56PM
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Well aus230,
It may well be outside of any Class Rules but if it works then you at least you can say I came, I built and I flew Great stuff and if there is any LIP outa anybody then you can always throw dawn the Gauntlet.
Ron



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