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How to deal with no wind.

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Created by Chook2 > 9 months ago, 5 Mar 2012
Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
5 Mar 2012 1:53PM
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Well a long weekend here in West Aust for Labour Day.
I'm always bored, when there is not any wind.

This is why I love what “justoeduardo” has been constructing. His designs are fantastic and fun to watch his video clips too.


So had a brain wave. (Now there in itself, lies the problem eh?)

No wind, I reckon I could fix that.

So off to the man cave. With much measuring, calculating, cutting, welding and bashing, to come up with my solution to this never ending problem.

Hope this sorts out my dilemma.

I have taken all the precautions, hence my protective gear. Ha ha.
Got to be careful, I can't afford to lose any of the hair I have left.

Aw, come on……………… The pressure stamp on the cylinder is still in date!!!



It's a 12 pound thrust, LPG/petrol fueled, "Thermo pulse" valveless pulse jet.
It should fire, 1230 times (hertz) a second at 130 decibels, at full power and consume 16 kgs of LPG an hour.

Might just wait till the wife goes shopping before trying this little number.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
5 Mar 2012 1:59PM
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get a video and you will lose the SC label for ever!!!!!
of course this will up the ante rather a lot

sn
WA, 2775 posts
5 Mar 2012 3:34PM
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UMMMMM chook- do you have any idea how loud a pulse jet is?

We made a conventional pulsejet (reedvalve thingy at the inlet)
Combustion chamber was IIRC 100mm diameter, whole thing was a bit over a metre long.
Bolted to a steel workbench, being environmentally friendly we used unleaded fuel, aerostart and compressed air to get it started, ignition was a sparkplug and magneto to begin with, changed to something else later on for a reason I cant remember.
Got it running and with a bit of fine tuning the bench started sliding across the workshop floor, stopping only when the fuel hose kinked.

The workshop was on Collingwood street osborne park.
Our pulsejet could be heard on the freeway.

Stephen

Hiko
1229 posts
5 Mar 2012 4:08PM
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I want to see this thing running!!!!
You have showed it to us now a video is a must

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
5 Mar 2012 5:24PM
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Now chook you have started something. I think we should look at some wacky machines.
Mmmm I have an ultralight motor wonder how I could fit it to a yacht maybe for lefroy

vic

sn
WA, 2775 posts
5 Mar 2012 5:32PM
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aus230 said...

Now chook you have started something. I think we should look at some wakky machines.
Mmmm I have an ultralight motor wonder how I could fit it to a yacht maybe for lefroy

vic

a gyrocopter frame is probably pretty close to the 5.6m rule, delete the spinny bit on top and away you go

if we are going to have a "WACKY RACES" event, maybe it should be stuff just added to an existing sailable frame, with points for the shonkiest job.
The use of cable ties, duct tape and fencing wire mandatory

stephen

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
5 Mar 2012 5:50PM
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I think that would be the way to go. dam it chook I wanted a rest.

lachlan3556
VIC, 1066 posts
5 Mar 2012 9:09PM
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As is everyone else, I'm looking forward to hearing more about this machine A LOT

Well done!

Mr float
NSW, 3452 posts
5 Mar 2012 9:15PM
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whoa .lotsa trust in that gas bottle dude (rite nexta da family jewels)
wicked .love it

saltiest1
NSW, 2495 posts
5 Mar 2012 11:00PM
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video or it never happened

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
5 Mar 2012 8:12PM
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Ya crazy basket
Just a small point, actually two points.
Where is the bleeding brakes?
How ya starta de Eng ?

Isnt it just bloody huge us blokes never actually grow up

sn
WA, 2775 posts
5 Mar 2012 8:16PM
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mineral1 said...

Ya crazy basket
Just a small point, actually two points.
Where is the bleeding brakes?
How ya stata de Eng ?

Isnt it just bloody huge us blokes never actually grow up


there is a brake lever on the r/h side of the landyacht
(mind you- its not attached to anything worth worrying about)

stephen

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
5 Mar 2012 8:19PM
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^^^^^
Even more fun now, no brakes to write home about
I need to figure out a reason to drive to Esperence to see Chook2 run this thing.

fossey
QLD, 7 posts
5 Mar 2012 10:28PM
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mineral1 said...

Ya crazy basket
Just a small point, actually two points.
Where is the bleeding brakes?
How ya starta de Eng ?

Isnt it just bloody huge us blokes never actually grow up


Its between his legs and the anchor rope is around his neck. When the hose BRAKES it also works as a kill switch.

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
5 Mar 2012 8:56PM
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UMMMMM chook- do you have any idea how loud a pulse jet is?

Ahh yes Stephen, I've built a couple of reed valve pulse jets, but that was years ago.

They sounded like one long continuous shotgun blast at full power.

Should be a great counter measure for my neighbour's loud parties.
This should drown them out eh.

Would have been handy last Easter at Lefroy when the yobbos cranked up in the camp across the way from the yachties after midnight.

One of my friends said,
How to check if chook has tried it? Check his eyebrows.[}:)]

Glad it stimulated some action on the forum I'll keep you posted. If I live long enough!!!!

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
5 Mar 2012 9:13PM
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Ohhh, by the way this is what I'm aiming for.[}:)]

Stuthepirate
SA, 3589 posts
6 Mar 2012 12:30AM
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Chook, I recommend using the apprentices as test pilots. [}:)]

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
5 Mar 2012 11:58PM
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I think you will melt the plastic gas pipe where it runs into the induction pipe.
The last half metre or so needs to be something which will take a lot of heat.
But so far I like it.

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
6 Mar 2012 10:05AM
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OK! Chook,
So when you gonna fill a whole bunch of balloons with Hydrogen and Fly the whole thing above Lake Lafroy?? Yu Bleedin Nong!

I said Land Yachting should be a bunch of fun and forget the politics not turn it into an attempt at the Darwin Awards..
Ron

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
6 Mar 2012 3:36PM
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so will this be a regular way of BBQing chooks in esperance

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
6 Mar 2012 5:00PM
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I think you will melt the plastic gas pipe where it runs into the induction pipe.
The last half metre or so needs to be something which will take a lot of heat.
But so far I like it.


Not sure that a rotisserie will keep up, Landyacht.


Yeh just having a bit of fun with the photo on this one.

There is a LOT of tongue in cheek, in the photo where I hammed it up for ya.

If you look at the video the LPG is injected into the intake. It's done with a stinger/diffuser on the end of a steel line running away to the gas source.
If you look closely at the photo, where I have the orange gas line connected, its where the petrol will be injected with a spray bar.
So it's a LPG ignition, using an ignition source to the sparkplug at the front, then warm up at idle and then petrol is introduced till the power increases and then the LPG is turned off.
It fires, combustion expands the gases and expels them out the exhaust/tail which causes an internal vacuum which sucks in a new charge and on it goes. 1230 times a second so it's a resonance thing. The tail will be trimmed back slowly after each run till the right frequency is obtained. This is due to small differences in the build of each jet engine.

Not sure when I'll get to run it. It's on hold while the wife checks my life insurance is up to date. When I see her booking her overseas air ticket I'll know she has it sorted.

There is no way I'll be anywhere close to this while it's running. It's only 12 pounds of internal pressure till it backfires. Just a big spud gun then!!!!
It's mainly turning fuel into noise.

With earplugs and muffs over them, you will still get a headache as the noise goes through your skeleton if you're too close to them while they are running.

I'm building the ignition system at the moment, so it may take a while till the test day.


sn
WA, 2775 posts
6 Mar 2012 5:27PM
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Chook2 said...
It's only 12 pounds of internal pressure till it backfires. It's mainly turning fuel into noise.

only 12 pounds?

I'm sure we can soup it up a bit- lotsa evil geniuses on this forum is it really worth the hassle of using petrol when LPG has more potential?

I still reckon one welded to each rear axle should be impressive (one way or another)

even if it isnt fast- at least you can say its for drying out soggy salt lakes

stephen

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
6 Mar 2012 6:37PM
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He he, yes Stephen it's a poor day you don't learn something new.

Lots of great fun to be found on the net, (that's how you guys have ended up with me here). If you take it all with a touch of salt and only believe half of what's quoted your pretty close to the money.

only 12 pounds?


Yeh it is a fair bit of work to hammer out the cones to a nice shape. They have to conform to a pretty tight tolerance. Even the weld that encroaches inside each joint has to be removed. So I've realized I'll get this one up and running before I go overboard.[}:)]

Don't worry, I've checked out the power restriction, but it's a lot of work to improve it.
My jet is 1400mm long and this is what you can do to upgrade it.
Looks like a fair bit of work though.



Chook

sn
WA, 2775 posts
6 Mar 2012 7:06PM
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Come on Chook- I'm kinda expecting a landyachting version of one of these things



I was trying to find the pulse jet powered penny farthing (purely for the awesome factor), but this one had to do.....

stephen

stumbled on this sig. line elsewhere- it just seems so appropriate for this topic


"if at first you cant succeed- at least leave a big crater"

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
6 Mar 2012 7:24PM
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Oooooohhhhhh................ I'm in Luv.

colk2004
317 posts
6 Mar 2012 10:00PM
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Not sure whether Scrapheap Challenge reached the Southern hemisphere but the concept is build a set project from a scrap yard in 10 hours + tinker time. These were knocked up in that time using lorry turbos and bits of tube. Cheap as. Notice the heat shield!



Cheers Col

sn
WA, 2775 posts
7 Mar 2012 1:46PM
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Chook2 said...

Oooooohhhhhh................ I'm in Luv.


I can almost see Chook commuting to Esperance Ag. on a pulse jet bike!!

with the local fireys following, and Mr Plod not far behind

stephen

sn
WA, 2775 posts
7 Mar 2012 7:56PM
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I think Chook might have been doing some testing.........

We just received an email from "The Esperance Severely Charred Land Sailing Club"



Stephen

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
7 Mar 2012 8:53PM
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Too hot at 39.5 degrees today, for testing. I'm getting too soft. After welding at work today, I'm cream crackered.

Rest assured you guys will be the first to know how it performs.
Oh.............. other than my immediate neighbours.[}:)]

and yes we do get "Scrapheap Challenge" on ABC2, but I had missed that episode.
Thanks, I really enjoyed that. Lisa's a spunk.

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
9 Mar 2012 2:12PM
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Got a bit more done this morning.

The gas stinger is made and fitted and the supply line is sorted. Made up from 5mm steel brake tubing.
I will use an acetylene regulator, fitted with a flashback arrestor to sort out an even supply of LPG.





I'll get it running on gas and then sort out the petrol system. I'll build a steel fuel tank and spray bar with needle valve for it when I get more time. This will be a lot of work.





I have had a bit of a hiccup with the ignition system.
I didn't realize how hard it is to buy a condenser for an old coil setup.
All the mechanics I've asked, have said they haven't fitted a set of points to a vehicle in the last 5 years, let alone a condenser.

The local motor part shops have no stock and are checking them out for me now.
I'm just going to use an automotive relay and a coil, to build a buzzer coil setup, for the ignition.

Chook

colk2004
317 posts
9 Mar 2012 4:54PM
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Chook.

Try companies that deal with Classic Cars - like old MG's (had a cousin in Taz that used to restore MG's for a living). It's this distance thing again - I've got a pile of them in the garage from converting old cars to electronic ignition. Other option is....lawnmowers, I've used the full ignition system on model engines.

Cheers Col



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