Select to expand quoteLooseChange said..Yara said..
If its a second hand boat it is likely to need some work before you can cross an ocean like the Pacific. Have you costed this? Also 5% import duty, 10% GST, fumigation, customs clearance etc.
Buy a US built boat and you fore go that 5% duty, unfortunately the 10% GST on the costs of getting the boat here still apply.
Duty is payable at 5% of the landed value. ie purchase price of boat plus delivery costs. GST is payable at 10% of the duty paid value. In effect Gov't taxes are 15.5% of landed cost plus the clearance and AQUIS inspection fees etc. I would not rely on getting the 5% duty exemption on a second hand US built boat as the free trade agreement is not that simple.
The GST and duty have to be fronted up in cash on arrival in Australia otherwise vessel will be impounded.
I think it is time to let it go. Many on here have said things that they would like to take back and some thing’s which have been misinterpreted by others.
There is a lot of valuable information on this forum and I personally have learnt a few things from Frant’s posts. He has a wealth of knowledge and experience to offer.
Let’s all try to get along.
Anyway where were we, Oh that’s right buying a boat in the states and sailing to Australia.
I think if you are interested in a trip like that and you have the time (2 or 3 years) then you should consider a purchase in Europe over the USA. Much better value to be had there.
I just looked at a boat in the USA same as mine but a couple of years older (Mine is 2008) and with the exchange rate the way it is it costs more than I purchased mine for here in Aus.
If it is more about the experience of the sail and not the saving on the boat then go for it and enjoy the experience
hi southace. I have been following this forum for a few months now and looking forward to the day I get my first sailboat. At the ripe old age of 54 I am a newcomer to sailing a bit late in life but that seems to be the way I do most things. I have just done an introductory sailing course at Moreton bay boat club and i think have landed a gig as a regular crew member for the sags races to build up some experience. I really respect all of you for the wealth of knowledge you display and your love of sailing, and also your individual personalities. Your decision to be a lost seabreezer has prompted me to post this, somewhat nervously. Don't leave mate.
Select to expand quotefrant said..LooseChange said..Yara said..
If its a second hand boat it is likely to need some work before you can cross an ocean like the Pacific. Have you costed this? Also 5% import duty, 10% GST, fumigation, customs clearance etc.
Buy a US built boat and you fore go that 5% duty, unfortunately the 10% GST on the costs of getting the boat here still apply.
Duty is payable at 5% of the landed value. ie purchase price of boat plus delivery costs. GST is payable at 10% of the duty paid value. In effect Gov't taxes are 15.5% of landed cost plus the clearance and AQUIS inspection fees etc. I would not rely on getting the 5% duty exemption on a second hand US built boat as the free trade agreement is not that simple.
The GST and duty have to be fronted up in cash on arrival in Australia otherwise vessel will be impounded.
Frant, you are correct, the page I was looking at was less than crystal, possibly because it was an agents page and deliberately made fuzzy to lure someone into thinking that it was a cheap and easy thing to do.
Select to expand quotecisco said..
Hear here!!!
Hedging your grammar with this one Cisco?
Hi Trav , man you really got the blood flowing here today !!!
is this prospective OS purchase your first yacht ?
i understand you want two separate cabins , so the mottle may not quite meet those requirements .
but i,m sure you will find something closer to home that will suit your requirements................... ?
Calm down gents. Yes, sometimes comments and contributors stretch the patience and sometimes it gets the better of us and we bight. However, if we learn to live with it and count to ten (or 1,000) we can continue spreading the wealth of knowledge held by contributors and enjoy some sailing banter.
I have met many Seabreezers either giving them a hand or the other way around. Some I have formed good mateships with and some I have enjoyed sailing adventures with.
I couldn't have got to Lord Howe last year without Havefun and wouldn't know him if Cisco didn't recruit us to crew for his delivery from Lake Macquarie to Bundaberg.
If the patience wears too thin stay away for a few days. But I'd like you to come back.
So Frant,
As an owner of a 2005 Catalina 34 MKII, I'd be interested in your thoughts on it as a coastal cruiser.
regards,
Allan
I'm not sure where the mottle was mentioned !
but all I read in this is a dream that is in early development or perhaps a dream that won't happen for a while. basically u will need a 200k fitted seaworthy proven yacht and 100k to for fill these requirements.
The most important thing is enjoy your dreams and try to make them reality but don't just live in the dream!
Masters of reality .......
Select to expand quoteHG02 said..frant said..
Franrick said..
Gee Frant,
Once again, thanks for your expert opinion.
And of course, once again for your useless input.
At least I know what I am talking about unlike you.
Thats only according to you Frant. There would large amount of humans that would know far more than you ever will . They probably would be good natured as well as being polite . and maybe humble as well 
And after your story about telling some one off and wanted to fight them for some thing about nothing I am absolutely positive, would not like to be a crew on your boat nor crew with you at any stage of my life . If I Id I would probably give you a couple of half rounders and swim to shore.
And if I ever saw you on land Id tell you to take a long walk on a short Pier .
So keep your world according to Frant maybe PM Bubbles for some medication to calm you down a little
well said HG, i couldnt have said it better , but you know i will have a go anyway ............... I quite enjoy reading questions and comments here , and sometimes i offer advice , it is sometimes pointed out that i am wrong , i rejoice in that because then i am right again !!! However i,m sure frant thinks that his view is the only and unmistakable correct way of thinking ..........................WRONG FRANT !!!!!!!!
HG , i may need some of that bubbles medicine !!!!! hhhhmmmmmm happy thoughts happy thoughts happy thoughts happy thoughts
PS South Ace, keep on posting !!!!!! man cannot live in a seabreeze world with fant alone !!!!!
sorry Trav , ..........back to you !!!
Select to expand quoteDatawiz said..
So Frant,
As an owner of a 2005 Catalina MKII, I'd be interested in your thoughts on it as a coastal cruiser.
regards,
Allan
Datawiz, enjoy your boat. I trust that you made the decision to purchase a boat to suit your needs and budget and that in your case a 2005 Catalina MkII fills that need perfectly.
Haha take it easy Sands I will still be here no worries.. I guess we all need to pull our heads in and all should be welcome.
Not mentioning any names but others I'm sure might lay a bit low on how they post in the future.
I even wonder about the post from this thread I wonder why he's not looking at previous posts about buying overseas? 6foot something ? You will need a boat worth 200k and 100k in the safe to maintain such a ship with frant onboard! Haha
Select to expand quoteLooseChange said..frant said..LooseChange said..Yara said..
If its a second hand boat it is likely to need some work before you can cross an ocean like the Pacific. Have you costed this? Also 5% import duty, 10% GST, fumigation, customs clearance etc.
Buy a US built boat and you fore go that 5% duty, unfortunately the 10% GST on the costs of getting the boat here still apply.
Duty is payable at 5% of the landed value. ie purchase price of boat plus delivery costs. GST is payable at 10% of the duty paid value. In effect Gov't taxes are 15.5% of landed cost plus the clearance and AQUIS inspection fees etc. I would not rely on getting the 5% duty exemption on a second hand US built boat as the free trade agreement is not that simple.
The GST and duty have to be fronted up in cash on arrival in Australia otherwise vessel will be impounded.
Frant, you are correct, the page I was looking at was less than crystal, possibly because it was an agents page and deliberately made fuzzy to lure someone into thinking that it was a cheap and easy thing to do.
When you purchase a second hand boat in any country, but take USA as an example, you must cancel the original country of registration and register the vessel in your name as an Australian ship. the exporter of the vessel from its country of origin is then you, an Australian citizen and you export the vessel to the first foreign port of entry. By the time you get to arrive at a customs clearance port in Australia you are importing the vessel into Australia from the last port of departure (possibly New Zealand or Tonga). In that case the red tape of claiming free trade duty exemption is not simply a US exporter selling a product to an Australian importer.
Further fun and games in the USA as as soon as the vessel is registered as an Australian ship you need a US cruising permit and log on with the department of homeland security each time you move anchorage. Trouble is that from whom do you obtain a cruising permit as you have no customs entry papers nor contact with customs officials to obtain said cruising permit. No one other than the customs entry official will give you a cruising permit but you have no such customs entry contact.
Similar fun and games with your US visa. You cannot get a visitor visa without a confirmed flight out of USA but if you buy a boat and sail out you will not be able to prove that you left the US and didn't,t overstay your visa.
Select to expand quoteFreeRadical said..cisco said..
Hear here!!!
Hedging your grammar with this one Cisco?
haha ......nice...... went straight over the top ,the first read
Thanks for the overly diplomatic reply Frant.
It wasn't a trick question I posed.
You seemed to have an opinion of Catalinas & I was genuinely interested to hear what that was.
Perhaps you could elaborate objectively?
Incidentally, it was a 2005 Catalina 34 I was asking about.
Regards,
Allan
Select to expand quotefrant said..LooseChange said..frant said..LooseChange said..Yara said..
If its a second hand boat it is likely to need some work before you can cross an ocean like the Pacific. Have you costed this? Also 5% import duty, 10% GST, fumigation, customs clearance etc.
Buy a US built boat and you fore go that 5% duty, unfortunately the 10% GST on the costs of getting the boat here still apply.
Duty is payable at 5% of the landed value. ie purchase price of boat plus delivery costs. GST is payable at 10% of the duty paid value. In effect Gov't taxes are 15.5% of landed cost plus the clearance and AQUIS inspection fees etc. I would not rely on getting the 5% duty exemption on a second hand US built boat as the free trade agreement is not that simple.
The GST and duty have to be fronted up in cash on arrival in Australia otherwise vessel will be impounded.
Frant, you are correct, the page I was looking at was less than crystal, possibly because it was an agents page and deliberately made fuzzy to lure someone into thinking that it was a cheap and easy thing to do.
When you purchase a second hand boat in any country, but take USA as an example, you must cancel the original country of registration and register the vessel in your name as an Australian ship. the exporter of the vessel from its country of origin is then you, an Australian citizen and you export the vessel to the first foreign port of entry. By the time you get to arrive at a customs clearance port in Australia you are importing the vessel into Australia from the last port of departure (possibly New Zealand or Tonga). In that case the red tape of claiming free trade duty exemption is not simply a US exporter selling a product to an Australian importer.
Further fun and games in the USA as as soon as the vessel is registered as an Australian ship you need a US cruising permit and log on with the department of homeland security each time you move anchorage. Trouble is that from whom do you obtain a cruising permit as you have no customs entry papers nor contact with customs officials to obtain said cruising permit. No one other than the customs entry official will give you a cruising permit but you have no such customs entry contact.
Similar fun and games with your US visa. You cannot get a visitor visa without a confirmed flight out of USA but if you buy a boat and sail out you will not be able to prove that you left the US and didn't,t overstay your visa.
With all that is said in those five posts I think there is enough to dissuade anybody from importing a boat. Certainly enough for me.
This has been said before. There are plenty of good cheap yachts here in Australia. Be it a yacht, an aeroplane or an exotic sports car, they are easy to buy if you have the money for that. The trick is having the money you need to keep owning it.
Select to expand quotesouthace said..
Trust me Rant your advise will come across far more superior if you use pargraphs and grammar.
As a marine surveyor and sails school teacher I'm surprised in your responses .....perhaps just copy my style or get a sexy secretary!
i think Ciscio taught me this when I first arrived.....I guess it's hard to teach a old dog new tricks......haha
Ciscio!!! I like that one.
Where do you get one of those sexretary things??
Back on the topic of Trav's original post, I have to say Shaggybaxter's idea of having a look at what might be available in Fiji makes a lot of sense.
Crossing the Tasman is the big one and it freaks a lot of the Americans out and not without due cause. I have done a crossing from Fiji to Sydney and the area around Middleton Reef and Elizabeth Rock is where the big undersea mounts are which causes some pretty big seas there. We took a 180 degree knock down there on an IOR style 43 footer.
If I was coming from that direction or specifically Fiji, I would be going Fiji to Noumea then Noumea to Bundaberg or Brisbane. It is a well trodden route and I believe would be an easier crossing. Noumea to Bundaberg is only about 450 miles.
There was a guy who used to do fairly regular private charters out of Bundaberg to the Chesterfields and Noumea and back on an alloy 50 ft Radford called Radified. For ocean passages I would want a yacht in the 40 to 50 foot range.
Does anything change if you have owed and sailed the boat for a year or two prior to bringing it in to Australia?
I purchased a Delphia 40 2008 model for 170K 18 months ago. I have just looked at similar boats around the world, same age.
Germany 145K , UK 180K, Spain 96K, Italy 81K US 200K and an aussie boat in Malaysia for 175K.
Seems Europe is the way to go and if you can save by owning it for a certain amount of time and it saves GST etc. then even better.
Not sure about VAT on the European boats.
Select to expand quoteRiffRaff said..
Does anything change if you have owed and sailed the boat for a year or two prior to bringing it in to Australia?
I purchased a Delphia 40 2008 model for 170K 18 months ago. I have just looked at similar boats around the world, same age.
Germany 145K , UK 180K, Spain 96K, Italy 81K US 200K and an aussie boat in Malaysia for 175K.
Seems Europe is the way to go and if you can save by owning it for a certain amount of time and it saves GST etc. then even better.
Not sure about VAT on the European boats.
When and if you import the boat into Australia is the critical value date. My boat was purchased in US$ when the A$ was at a record high of USD1.11. By the time I returned to Aus some twelve months later the A$ was below parity. Duty and GST were calculated on the A$ equivalent purchase price at the date of entry even though I had actually out laid 10% less in A$ terms. If you have owned the boat for more than twelve months a depreciated value from purchase price may be applicable although customs do have the option of comparing the equivalent value of Australian boats as the dutiable value if your purchase date/price does not reflect its present value.
Need a good customs broker. They will tell you that there is no way to cheat the system and penalties for cheating customs are more severe in terms of jail time than tax evasion!
Yeah thanks. I expected it would cost me 2-300 k for the boat and then my expenses whilst I'm away.
Although with the cost of living in Sydney it won't be much difference.:)
I was hoping to take a route that would see lots of summer and sun and not too many big seas.
Ive been told if I'm not in a rush and sail the right route I could avoid big/dangerous seas by following weather forecasts and not pushing it?
One Central QLD yacht hire business purchased 40' in U.S. Yacht was shipped on cargo ship.
They belive, it was the most economical way, a few years ago.
is it still apply, when you own boat / car over 5 years before you bring it to here, import duty not apply.
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I was hoping to take a route that would see lots of summer and sun and not too many big seas.
Ive been told if I'm not in a rush and sail the right route I could avoid big/dangerous seas by following weather forecasts and not pushing it?
The photograph in my avatar is 500 miles East of Eden on the penultimate sunset but one of my trip. The voyage East to West across the Pacific in the trade wind season is known as the "coconut milk run".
However at some stage of a US delivery trip you either have to cross the Hurricane belt during hurricane season, hole up in a cyclone hole during cyclone season or cop a belting making your way south from the tropics to NZ.
Buy on the East coast, visit Newport and Rhode Island, New York, Cuba, Jamaica, Panama, Galapagos, French Marquesas, Tuamotus, Tahiti, Cook Islands, Tonga Tapu, Fiji, Minerva Reef, Bay of Islands. Get ripped off by taxi drivers everywhere, get arrested at gunpoint for hitchhiking in the states, meet a bird who wants to sail with you but is too busy running her Forbes 100 rich list company to come, get buzzed by a helicopter gunship playing war games firing live ammo in the sea next to you, dive on your anchor in shark infested waters, meet a seventh day adventist couple emigrating to NZ from SA who took their sails down every night at sunset and went to bed and then left them down on Saturdays amassing a record 42 days at sea on a 3000nm passage, witness a crack French commando team with armed machine guns bail up the boat anchored next to yours on a drug bust, meet a German bloke in Tahiti who overheard that you were going to have a beer (or two or three or four of the 4 litre mini kegs), anchor in the middle of the Pacific ocean on Minerva Reef, enjoy the feeling of making landfall in Bay of Islands after punching through 40 knot headwinds for 2 days, view that ultimate sunset East of Eden.
Then let them tell you its not worth buying in the USA.
I guess it all depends on the level of one's sense of adventure. Some people can only live when it is close to the edge.
With the Aussie dollar tanking in the last few days against the US$, the whole project might not be worthwhile.
