Select to expand quotegroovtube said..Hydromann said..
WARNING - LONG POST.
Something that everyone seems to missing is the validity of the data being used to justify the action being taken.
Everything that is being done is based on squirrelly data derived from a dynamically changing environment.
Data that is being derived based on best guess modelling from the WHO who used specific algorithms from people with vested interests.
And then there are the death counts. As varying and fluctuating as the predictions.
Apparently in NY there were over 1000 deaths a day from other causes such as cancer etc. Post Carona these deaths are now attributed solely to a virus, thereby elevating the count and justifying the actions being taken.
In engineering we always need a foundation or a datum to work from. All measurements made are then quantified from this location. And yet for this virus and the action taken we all look at the web based statistics presented through a shiny dashboard, as do our governments, and accept this as gospel truth. We then fully toe the line based on the fear campaign attached to this and willingly forfeit the freedom that father's, grandfather's, sisters and mothers died to protect.
Case in point the state of WA. Only one new community based case yesterday, and for that we have a crippled economy, potential for worse outcomes based on economical collapse, and worse a loss of our rightfully liberties and freedom to move around that allows us to survive.
I'm not saying Covid19 is not real, there is actual evidence to validate it's presence and potential damage it can cause.
But it is not the threat that it is being made out to be. Yes it will effect many if strong action to contain and control is not taken, but the action taken has a significantly greater potential to cause wider spread and longer lasting damage than the disease if not kept in check and based on real statistics.
A cure? We are now being told that restrictions will be in place until a cure or vaccine is found?
Why? Why when specifically in WA would we need to wait to implement a "cure" when through testing and measurement, along with tracking we can contain the spread? Yes maintain some travel and movement restrictions, and implement full population testing as the priority over a vaccine so that a true datum exists.
If concerns remain for at risk groups then provide that minority options to isolate and stay protected until such time that the fire has passed.
At the end of the day it all comes down to the faith you place in the officials in charge and how they are responding. In WA our guy seems to be keeping a level head. So far our cops seem to be not getting carried away with their powers and infringements, giving people the time and opportunity to adapt to the new reality, and credit to all we seem to be doing ok at that.
But for how long?
www.fort-russ.com/2020/04/major-plans-to-re-open-u-s-surgeon-general-adams-dumps-gates-predictive-contagion-model/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=ac1d610ffdb7c86e6205cd5aa310dd68ff982263-1586897275-0-ATZWipA6PVS06zGn-j9Ge-_87T2g_ki271-I49BlmGmWq2oprYbIjawisVKSE5a0xjzqqNYUHEiCQbD2vmhhvFkA9llEb3IWSe_oB7cINAJeSKzokbm0y8QVjWOqn7T3Jr0DaRRsyt2Fro3KSdFQDU7x4qV1NVcOyqf5iMDKf7-xAicuTGKiVe53D7Gt-ffTUJumr0oUU0bJX5fya_2y3j7xrocOzxmRb1gA4bBfNMNbTFkUuti9RiXdmA5rv4AYFG_PO9RfVx845cjUo5gxtn9sbydSdT3w5EFP6_hfpMUbRVZS-aDcbttAQ6NVyHAFqN3cKO9ojT6udqkq8LibE8Rh1rIvIztsPlXEMiVPDFxMSulekAiAReCN2j3sXcd7COEv-X2s-xPBPluhfAyYLpU
When ScoMo next reads the Seabreeze Longboard forum we might see some changes..
..( he'll also get some good info on how to tweak his mid length!)
Be a while before he gets here mate.
He has all the Facebook comments to get through first.
ScoMo seems more like a glider type of guy.
Select to expand quoteSP said..groovtube said..Hydromann said..
WARNING - LONG POST.
Something that everyone seems to missing is the validity of the data being used to justify the action being taken.
Everything that is being done is based on squirrelly data derived from a dynamically changing environment.
Data that is being derived based on best guess modelling from the WHO who used specific algorithms from people with vested interests.
And then there are the death counts. As varying and fluctuating as the predictions.
Apparently in NY there were over 1000 deaths a day from other causes such as cancer etc. Post Carona these deaths are now attributed solely to a virus, thereby elevating the count and justifying the actions being taken.
In engineering we always need a foundation or a datum to work from. All measurements made are then quantified from this location. And yet for this virus and the action taken we all look at the web based statistics presented through a shiny dashboard, as do our governments, and accept this as gospel truth. We then fully toe the line based on the fear campaign attached to this and willingly forfeit the freedom that father's, grandfather's, sisters and mothers died to protect.
Case in point the state of WA. Only one new community based case yesterday, and for that we have a crippled economy, potential for worse outcomes based on economical collapse, and worse a loss of our rightfully liberties and freedom to move around that allows us to survive.
I'm not saying Covid19 is not real, there is actual evidence to validate it's presence and potential damage it can cause.
But it is not the threat that it is being made out to be. Yes it will effect many if strong action to contain and control is not taken, but the action taken has a significantly greater potential to cause wider spread and longer lasting damage than the disease if not kept in check and based on real statistics.
A cure? We are now being told that restrictions will be in place until a cure or vaccine is found?
Why? Why when specifically in WA would we need to wait to implement a "cure" when through testing and measurement, along with tracking we can contain the spread? Yes maintain some travel and movement restrictions, and implement full population testing as the priority over a vaccine so that a true datum exists.
If concerns remain for at risk groups then provide that minority options to isolate and stay protected until such time that the fire has passed.
At the end of the day it all comes down to the faith you place in the officials in charge and how they are responding. In WA our guy seems to be keeping a level head. So far our cops seem to be not getting carried away with their powers and infringements, giving people the time and opportunity to adapt to the new reality, and credit to all we seem to be doing ok at that.
But for how long?
www.fort-russ.com/2020/04/major-plans-to-re-open-u-s-surgeon-general-adams-dumps-gates-predictive-contagion-model/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=ac1d610ffdb7c86e6205cd5aa310dd68ff982263-1586897275-0-ATZWipA6PVS06zGn-j9Ge-_87T2g_ki271-I49BlmGmWq2oprYbIjawisVKSE5a0xjzqqNYUHEiCQbD2vmhhvFkA9llEb3IWSe_oB7cINAJeSKzokbm0y8QVjWOqn7T3Jr0DaRRsyt2Fro3KSdFQDU7x4qV1NVcOyqf5iMDKf7-xAicuTGKiVe53D7Gt-ffTUJumr0oUU0bJX5fya_2y3j7xrocOzxmRb1gA4bBfNMNbTFkUuti9RiXdmA5rv4AYFG_PO9RfVx845cjUo5gxtn9sbydSdT3w5EFP6_hfpMUbRVZS-aDcbttAQ6NVyHAFqN3cKO9ojT6udqkq8LibE8Rh1rIvIztsPlXEMiVPDFxMSulekAiAReCN2j3sXcd7COEv-X2s-xPBPluhfAyYLpU
When ScoMo next reads the Seabreeze Longboard forum we might see some changes..
..( he'll also get some good info on how to tweak his mid length!)
Be a while before he gets here mate.
He has all the Facebook comments to get through first.
ScoMo seems more like a glider type of guy.
Mate are you saying all those Facebook rumours / conspiracy theories / corona cures aren't true 
Select to expand quoteTassiedevel said..
Today's lockdown project final sand / polish on this board - been surfing this one for 6 months - finished it without a final sand - said the the daughter busting to try it out - she said why don't you use it the way it is - will work fine , just look crap
she was right - surfed fine
anyone any tips on why these pics keep loading sideways
Turn your phone camera 90 degrees anti clockwise. And click
Select to expand quoteMickPC said..
The number of doctors from all over the world who share the same opinion is increasing:
Prof. Dr. John lonannidis,
Prof. Knut Wittkowski,
Prof. Dr. Carsten Scheller,
Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi (He sent an open letter to Germany's chancellor Merkel, I think someone translated it into English).
Prof. Hendrik Streek
Dr. Martin Haditsch
Prof. Dr. Jochen A. Werner
Dr.Jaroslav Belsky
Prof. Dr. Stefan Hockertz
Dr. Klaus Khnlein
Prof. Karin M?lling
Dr. Bodo Schiffmann
Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg
Dr. Mark Fidigge
Dr. Karl J. Probst
Dr. Jen Ebert
Dr. Grard Krause
Prof. Maria Rita Gismondo
Prof. Dr. Joran Lass
Dr. Pietro Vernazza
Prof. Frank Ulrich Montgomery
Prof. Erich Bendavid
Prof. Jay Bhattacharya
Dr Yanis Roussel
Dr. David Katz
Dr. Heiko Sch?nning
Dr. Michael T Osterholm
Dr. Peter Goetzsche
Dr. Klaus Pschel
Dr. Rdiger Dahlke
Sp. A bit of homework.
Can you check out all these doctors please.
Im too lazy
Select to expand quoteMickPC said..
The number of doctors from all over the world who share the same opinion is increasing:
Prof. Dr. John lonannidis,
Prof. Knut Wittkowski,
Prof. Dr. Carsten Scheller,
Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi (He sent an open letter to Germany's chancellor Merkel, I think someone translated it into English).
Prof. Hendrik Streek
Dr. Martin Haditsch
Prof. Dr. Jochen A. Werner
Dr.Jaroslav Belsky
Prof. Dr. Stefan Hockertz
Dr. Klaus Khnlein
Prof. Karin M?lling
Dr. Bodo Schiffmann
Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg
Dr. Mark Fidigge
Dr. Karl J. Probst
Dr. Jen Ebert
Dr. Grard Krause
Prof. Maria Rita Gismondo
Prof. Dr. Joran Lass
Dr. Pietro Vernazza
Prof. Frank Ulrich Montgomery
Prof. Erich Bendavid
Prof. Jay Bhattacharya
Dr Yanis Roussel
Dr. David Katz
Dr. Heiko Sch?nning
Dr. Michael T Osterholm
Dr. Peter Goetzsche
Dr. Klaus Pschel
Dr. Rdiger Dahlke
mick ive met a lot of people in my life and some were doctors.
Mate that guy is self medicating.
Select to expand quoteMickPC said..
The number of doctors from all over the world who share the same opinion is increasing:
Prof. Dr. John lonannidis,
Prof. Knut Wittkowski,
Prof. Dr. Carsten Scheller,
Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi (He sent an open letter to Germany's chancellor Merkel, I think someone translated it into English).
Prof. Hendrik Streek
Dr. Martin Haditsch
Prof. Dr. Jochen A. Werner
Dr.Jaroslav Belsky
Prof. Dr. Stefan Hockertz
Dr. Klaus Khnlein
Prof. Karin M?lling
Dr. Bodo Schiffmann
Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg
Dr. Mark Fidigge
Dr. Karl J. Probst
Dr. Jen Ebert
Dr. Grard Krause
Prof. Maria Rita Gismondo
Prof. Dr. Joran Lass
Dr. Pietro Vernazza
Prof. Frank Ulrich Montgomery
Prof. Erich Bendavid
Prof. Jay Bhattacharya
Dr Yanis Roussel
Dr. David Katz
Dr. Heiko Sch?nning
Dr. Michael T Osterholm
Dr. Peter Goetzsche
Dr. Klaus Pschel
Dr. Rdiger Dahlke
You forgot Dr.Nick ..(hi everybody!)
Select to expand quoteTassiedevel said..SP said..groovtube said..Hydromann said..
WARNING - LONG POST.
Something that everyone seems to missing is the validity of the data being used to justify the action being taken.
Everything that is being done is based on squirrelly data derived from a dynamically changing environment.
Data that is being derived based on best guess modelling from the WHO who used specific algorithms from people with vested interests.
And then there are the death counts. As varying and fluctuating as the predictions.
Apparently in NY there were over 1000 deaths a day from other causes such as cancer etc. Post Carona these deaths are now attributed solely to a virus, thereby elevating the count and justifying the actions being taken.
In engineering we always need a foundation or a datum to work from. All measurements made are then quantified from this location. And yet for this virus and the action taken we all look at the web based statistics presented through a shiny dashboard, as do our governments, and accept this as gospel truth. We then fully toe the line based on the fear campaign attached to this and willingly forfeit the freedom that father's, grandfather's, sisters and mothers died to protect.
Case in point the state of WA. Only one new community based case yesterday, and for that we have a crippled economy, potential for worse outcomes based on economical collapse, and worse a loss of our rightfully liberties and freedom to move around that allows us to survive.
I'm not saying Covid19 is not real, there is actual evidence to validate it's presence and potential damage it can cause.
But it is not the threat that it is being made out to be. Yes it will effect many if strong action to contain and control is not taken, but the action taken has a significantly greater potential to cause wider spread and longer lasting damage than the disease if not kept in check and based on real statistics.
A cure? We are now being told that restrictions will be in place until a cure or vaccine is found?
Why? Why when specifically in WA would we need to wait to implement a "cure" when through testing and measurement, along with tracking we can contain the spread? Yes maintain some travel and movement restrictions, and implement full population testing as the priority over a vaccine so that a true datum exists.
If concerns remain for at risk groups then provide that minority options to isolate and stay protected until such time that the fire has passed.
At the end of the day it all comes down to the faith you place in the officials in charge and how they are responding. In WA our guy seems to be keeping a level head. So far our cops seem to be not getting carried away with their powers and infringements, giving people the time and opportunity to adapt to the new reality, and credit to all we seem to be doing ok at that.
But for how long?
www.fort-russ.com/2020/04/major-plans-to-re-open-u-s-surgeon-general-adams-dumps-gates-predictive-contagion-model/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=ac1d610ffdb7c86e6205cd5aa310dd68ff982263-1586897275-0-ATZWipA6PVS06zGn-j9Ge-_87T2g_ki271-I49BlmGmWq2oprYbIjawisVKSE5a0xjzqqNYUHEiCQbD2vmhhvFkA9llEb3IWSe_oB7cINAJeSKzokbm0y8QVjWOqn7T3Jr0DaRRsyt2Fro3KSdFQDU7x4qV1NVcOyqf5iMDKf7-xAicuTGKiVe53D7Gt-ffTUJumr0oUU0bJX5fya_2y3j7xrocOzxmRb1gA4bBfNMNbTFkUuti9RiXdmA5rv4AYFG_PO9RfVx845cjUo5gxtn9sbydSdT3w5EFP6_hfpMUbRVZS-aDcbttAQ6NVyHAFqN3cKO9ojT6udqkq8LibE8Rh1rIvIztsPlXEMiVPDFxMSulekAiAReCN2j3sXcd7COEv-X2s-xPBPluhfAyYLpU
When ScoMo next reads the Seabreeze Longboard forum we might see some changes..
..( he'll also get some good info on how to tweak his mid length!)
Be a while before he gets here mate.
He has all the Facebook comments to get through first.
ScoMo seems more like a glider type of guy.
Mate are you saying all those Facebook rumours / conspiracy theories / corona cures aren't true
i thought they were bull**** after i shoved 4 cloves of garlic up my arse spun in a anticlockwise direction chanting REDRUM REDRUM.
Ok so last night on the Channel 7 news they were talking about how technology could help with the Corona crisis. You might have seen it on the news when Wuhan lifted their restrictions on travel. People milling about train stations etc under the watch of cameras that detected peoples thermal reading. So each individual had a number over them, that you would like to see between 26c - 37.5c.
The Australian news broadcaster discussed how this technology could be implemented here & an Australian company with the name...now get this "Big Mate" was looking at developing the technolgy. Sounds great right, help with the spread of the virus, Australian made & owned. One good thing I hope to see after all this is we see a lot more Australian owned manufacturing.
However they then went on to say this "Big Mate" technology could be implemented for other uses when the "crisis" had concluded.
Considering how long it would take to get this tech set up & especially a lot of infected people do not present with symptoms ie hightened temperatures. This is exactly the kind of thing you need to be skeptical of & has been one of my main concerns from the beginning.
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..MickPC said..
The number of doctors from all over the world who share the same opinion is increasing:
Prof. Dr. John lonannidis,
Prof. Knut Wittkowski,
Prof. Dr. Carsten Scheller,
Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi (He sent an open letter to Germany's chancellor Merkel, I think someone translated it into English).
Prof. Hendrik Streek
Dr. Martin Haditsch
Prof. Dr. Jochen A. Werner
Dr.Jaroslav Belsky
Prof. Dr. Stefan Hockertz
Dr. Klaus Khnlein
Prof. Karin M?lling
Dr. Bodo Schiffmann
Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg
Dr. Mark Fidigge
Dr. Karl J. Probst
Dr. Jen Ebert
Dr. Grard Krause
Prof. Maria Rita Gismondo
Prof. Dr. Joran Lass
Dr. Pietro Vernazza
Prof. Frank Ulrich Montgomery
Prof. Erich Bendavid
Prof. Jay Bhattacharya
Dr Yanis Roussel
Dr. David Katz
Dr. Heiko Sch?nning
Dr. Michael T Osterholm
Dr. Peter Goetzsche
Dr. Klaus Pschel
Dr. Rdiger Dahlke
Sp. A bit of homework.
Can you check out all these doctors please.
Im too lazy
Just got off my 5th 16 hr nightshift m8, bare with me absolutely I will & btw your 2 replys to the Victorian a couple of pages back were epic, fully spot on!Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..
But you cant just go and bury your head in the sand or cover your ears.
In the free world it should be encouraged to look at every argument and both sides of a debate .
Its a very dangerous thing to close down opposing views and unfortunately we are seeing more and more of it.
let people decide.
Not the government for you.
There will always be nutters.
But there might not always be freedom
sounding like the conspiracy theorist have overdosed on their own garbage.some with endless downtime can go deep deep inside themselves .
so ill play.
Maybe china invented Covid 19 and the antidote 
and now china is back to business as usual with no competition.
bye bye I'm going back to the bubbly bottle.
Select to expand quoteCobra said..
sounding like the conspiracy theorist have overdosed on their own garbage.some with endless downtime can go deep deep inside themselves .
so ill play.
Maybe china invented Covid 19 and the antidote and now china is back to business as usual with no competition.
bye bye I'm going back to the bubbly bottle.
Its possible lol...but they may well have shot themselves in the foot if they did.
Governments all around the world have been made aware just how much of a bad idea it is to rely on another country for essential items. They are at least talking about moving to fix this, hopefully it translates into more than talk.
Also the average wage in China has risen greatly over the last few decades to a point where other emerging developing nations are able to compete. Countries such as Vietnam, Thailand & india to name a few.
Sidenote & this is great news. Indonesia has chosen not to accept help from China in building its new capital city. I won't digress into & hopefully your already well aware on how this is a very good thing.
Cheers
People in power and governments have conspired and covered up since christ played fullback for Jerusalem
History shows that.
Its the peoples job to keep them honest as much as we can
Select to expand quoteMickPC said..
The number of doctors from all over the world who share the same opinion is increasing:
Prof. Dr. John lonannidis,
Prof. Knut Wittkowski,
Prof. Dr. Carsten Scheller,
Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi (He sent an open letter to Germany's chancellor Merkel, I think someone translated it into English).
Prof. Hendrik Streek
Dr. Martin Haditsch
Prof. Dr. Jochen A. Werner
Dr.Jaroslav Belsky
Prof. Dr. Stefan Hockertz
Dr. Klaus Khnlein
Prof. Karin M?lling
Dr. Bodo Schiffmann
Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg
Dr. Mark Fidigge
Dr. Karl J. Probst
Dr. Jen Ebert
Dr. Grard Krause
Prof. Maria Rita Gismondo
Prof. Dr. Joran Lass
Dr. Pietro Vernazza
Prof. Frank Ulrich Montgomery
Prof. Erich Bendavid
Prof. Jay Bhattacharya
Dr Yanis Roussel
Dr. David Katz
Dr. Heiko Sch?nning
Dr. Michael T Osterholm
Dr. Peter Goetzsche
Dr. Klaus Pschel
Dr. Rdiger Dahlke
mick when dealing with catsbphic loss of life people will get it wrong.
...look at war history in the world, a person found laying in the gutter is dead from.
murder, gas, cancer, car crash, by their own hand or the enemy or the whole picture of War.
ask any of those doctors the best one i hear every year being a surfer
mosquitos kill millions a year a shark kills one.
so i ask. do Mosquitos really kill millions a year?.
Select to expand quoteCobra said..MickPC said..
The number of doctors from all over the world who share the same opinion is increasing:
Prof. Dr. John lonannidis,
Prof. Knut Wittkowski,
Prof. Dr. Carsten Scheller,
Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi (He sent an open letter to Germany's chancellor Merkel, I think someone translated it into English).
Prof. Hendrik Streek
Dr. Martin Haditsch
Prof. Dr. Jochen A. Werner
Dr.Jaroslav Belsky
Prof. Dr. Stefan Hockertz
Dr. Klaus Khnlein
Prof. Karin M?lling
Dr. Bodo Schiffmann
Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg
Dr. Mark Fidigge
Dr. Karl J. Probst
Dr. Jen Ebert
Dr. Grard Krause
Prof. Maria Rita Gismondo
Prof. Dr. Joran Lass
Dr. Pietro Vernazza
Prof. Frank Ulrich Montgomery
Prof. Erich Bendavid
Prof. Jay Bhattacharya
Dr Yanis Roussel
Dr. David Katz
Dr. Heiko Sch?nning
Dr. Michael T Osterholm
Dr. Peter Goetzsche
Dr. Klaus Pschel
Dr. Rdiger Dahlke
mick when dealing with catsbphic loss of life people will get it wrong.
...look at war history in the world, a person found laying in the gutter is dead from.
murder, gas, cancer, car crash, by their own hand or the enemy or the whole picture of War.
ask any of those doctors the best one i hear every year being a surfer
mosquitos kill millions a year a shark kills one.
so i ask. do Mosquitos really kill millions a year?.
yeah cool bro
AFK gotta go wake up in the surf before I drink a sh1tload of coopers pale ale & go to war on negotiating new household security before the zombie horde virus arrives
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..MickPC said..
The number of doctors from all over the world who share the same opinion is increasing:
Prof. Dr. John lonannidis,
Prof. Knut Wittkowski,
Prof. Dr. Carsten Scheller,
Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi (He sent an open letter to Germany's chancellor Merkel, I think someone translated it into English).
Prof. Hendrik Streek
Dr. Martin Haditsch
Prof. Dr. Jochen A. Werner
Dr.Jaroslav Belsky
Prof. Dr. Stefan Hockertz
Dr. Klaus Khnlein
Prof. Karin M?lling
Dr. Bodo Schiffmann
Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg
Dr. Mark Fidigge
Dr. Karl J. Probst
Dr. Jen Ebert
Dr. Grard Krause
Prof. Maria Rita Gismondo
Prof. Dr. Joran Lass
Dr. Pietro Vernazza
Prof. Frank Ulrich Montgomery
Prof. Erich Bendavid
Prof. Jay Bhattacharya
Dr Yanis Roussel
Dr. David Katz
Dr. Heiko Sch?nning
Dr. Michael T Osterholm
Dr. Peter Goetzsche
Dr. Klaus Pschel
Dr. Rdiger Dahlke
Sp. A bit of homework.
Can you check out all these doctors please.
Im too lazy
Not qualified educated or experienced in medicine mate. That's why I dont post medical opinons.
Interesting vid though Mick. There will always be other opinions and that is a good thing.. But hard for a gov to not go with the xperts the have appointed. Sacking them looks bad.
And what else would they use the thermal cameras for. Do they do more than record temp? Facial recognition etc.
Select to expand quoteMickPC said..Cobra said..
sounding like the conspiracy theorist have overdosed on their own garbage.some with endless downtime can go deep deep inside themselves .
so ill play.
Maybe china invented Covid 19 and the antidote and now china is back to business as usual with no competition.
bye bye I'm going back to the bubbly bottle.
Its possible lol...but they may well have shot themselves in the foot if they did.
Governments all around the world have been made aware just how much of a bad idea it is to rely on another country for essential items. They are at least talking about moving to fix this, hopefully it translates into more than talk.
Also the average wage in China has risen greatly over the last few decades to a point where other emerging developing nations are able to compete. Countries such as Vietnam, Thailand & india to name a few.
Sidenote & this is great news. Indonesia has chosen not to accept help from China in building its new capital city. I won't digress into & hopefully your already well aware on how this is a very good thing.
Cheers
i knew indo were talking about rebuilding jakarta but ni idea of chinas interest but im not surprise at chinas interest or helping with splashing cash.
. reminds me of another asian country that had interest in every south asia and south pacific county in 1940.
Select to expand quoteSP said..laceys lane said..MickPC said..
The number of doctors from all over the world who share the same opinion is increasing:
Prof. Dr. John lonannidis,
Prof. Knut Wittkowski,
Prof. Dr. Carsten Scheller,
Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi (He sent an open letter to Germany's chancellor Merkel, I think someone translated it into English).
Prof. Hendrik Streek
Dr. Martin Haditsch
Prof. Dr. Jochen A. Werner
Dr.Jaroslav Belsky
Prof. Dr. Stefan Hockertz
Dr. Klaus Khnlein
Prof. Karin M?lling
Dr. Bodo Schiffmann
Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg
Dr. Mark Fidigge
Dr. Karl J. Probst
Dr. Jen Ebert
Dr. Grard Krause
Prof. Maria Rita Gismondo
Prof. Dr. Joran Lass
Dr. Pietro Vernazza
Prof. Frank Ulrich Montgomery
Prof. Erich Bendavid
Prof. Jay Bhattacharya
Dr Yanis Roussel
Dr. David Katz
Dr. Heiko Sch?nning
Dr. Michael T Osterholm
Dr. Peter Goetzsche
Dr. Klaus Pschel
Dr. Rdiger Dahlke
Sp. A bit of homework.
Can you check out all these doctors please.
Im too lazy
Not qualified educated or experienced in medicine mate. That's why I dont post medical opinons.
Interesting vid though Mick. There will always be other opinions and that is a good thing.. But hard for a gov to not go with the xperts the have appointed. Sacking them looks bad.
And what else would they use the thermal cameras for. Do they do more than record temp? Facial recognition etc.
Ive done first aid courses.
I guess its up to me then
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..SP said..laceys lane said..MickPC said..
The number of doctors from all over the world who share the same opinion is increasing:
Prof. Dr. John lonannidis,
Prof. Knut Wittkowski,
Prof. Dr. Carsten Scheller,
Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi (He sent an open letter to Germany's chancellor Merkel, I think someone translated it into English).
Prof. Hendrik Streek
Dr. Martin Haditsch
Prof. Dr. Jochen A. Werner
Dr.Jaroslav Belsky
Prof. Dr. Stefan Hockertz
Dr. Klaus Khnlein
Prof. Karin M?lling
Dr. Bodo Schiffmann
Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg
Dr. Mark Fidigge
Dr. Karl J. Probst
Dr. Jen Ebert
Dr. Grard Krause
Prof. Maria Rita Gismondo
Prof. Dr. Joran Lass
Dr. Pietro Vernazza
Prof. Frank Ulrich Montgomery
Prof. Erich Bendavid
Prof. Jay Bhattacharya
Dr Yanis Roussel
Dr. David Katz
Dr. Heiko Sch?nning
Dr. Michael T Osterholm
Dr. Peter Goetzsche
Dr. Klaus Pschel
Dr. Rdiger Dahlke
Sp. A bit of homework.
Can you check out all these doctors please.
Im too lazy
Not qualified educated or experienced in medicine mate. That's why I dont post medical opinons.
Interesting vid though Mick. There will always be other opinions and that is a good thing.. But hard for a gov to not go with the xperts the have appointed. Sacking them looks bad.
And what else would they use the thermal cameras for. Do they do more than record temp? Facial recognition etc.
Ive done first aid courses.
I guess its up to me then
thank god we have Lacey
Select to expand quoteHydromann said..SP said..Hydromann said..SP said..Hydromann said..SP said..laceys lane said..Hydromann said..laceys lane said..
From what i can see in the paper this morning they will not lift restrictions until they have 7500 ventilators nationally.
So looking at that they dont think they can stop the virus, they just delayed the rise until they were up to speed medically.
Discuss
If the virus ran screaming through us like in NY 7500 would not be enough.
Besides it has been proven that ventilators can cause more harm than good by forcing the virus deeper into lung tissue under positive pressure.
So that excuse is simply that, an excuse.
It would be much more cost effective to round up everyone with a positive test and enforce isolation for six months.
And to ensure that anyone at high risk due to an existing condition is also isolated for six months.
Meanwhile the rest of to population can keep the country running and practice good hygiene and social distancing awareness in what would essentially become a virus free environment.
Any further outbreaks could then be identified and controlled systematically.
Oz is in an ideal position to do this and to recover economically.
Without the economy recovering we will cause knock on effects that will cause more damage than the disease.
And yet all I see is a population being controlled down to allowable social interactions by fear.
I can't speak for others but I would be happy to risk contracting and even dying due to this virus than give up the hard won freedom that our grandfather's father's fought and died for.
To me it seems that we are all more scared of possible loss and casualty than being willing to protect what people willingly gave their lives for in the past. FREEDOM.
WE HAVE ALL BECOME A BUNCH OF SOFT COCK PUSSIES.
Selling out universal freedom for personal nanny state safety.
And yes I get the tragedy of loss attached to this thing. But as out illustrious leaders point out we are at war, a war where they would sacrifice freedom and not allow the personal choice for us to fight to protect it.
Talk about setting the stage for tin foil hatter's to come up with all sorts of theories!
I can appreciate this post and the guts to say it.
No harm talking
Opinons are like arsehole.
Everyone has one and most are full of ****.
People forget there is a difference between an educated option and Barry that failed ****ing year 9 science and doing his research on Google giving us a solution.
Education, experience and training are the most valuable things when forming a educated opinon.
Really SP?
That the best you got? To have a crack at someone and infer that they are uneducated through trite analogies about sphincters?
Come on bro surely you can do better than that?
Following the company, or in this case government line is not critical thinking old mate.
I actually agree strongly with what has been done and how this has been managed. A very difficult and dynamic situation.
But what I disagree with is strong arm enforcement of restricting freedoms.
Especially if people are self managing correctly minand causingimal risk to others.
And I disagree with the cops having the power to judge that subjectively.
Aww the bloke who's come back is i ****ed your wife is butt hurt someone called him a dumb ****.
It is a stupid ****ing thing to say. My opinon sticking by it.
Mate really?
Think you may have missed the coffee stop this morning. Might need to go back and do a reset?
I'm all for differing opinions because that makes me question my own position and assumptions, and I fully welcome every one of them.
I even welcome being called stupid for an unfounded statement.
But resorting to name calling and analogies based on anatomical characterisations is piss poor form and beyond juvenile.
You saying I ****ed your wife and calling her a pig wasn't?
Start throwing stones mate and people will treat you how you treat others.
Whaaattt? Umm that was not me bro.....
Might want to check who typed what before laying blame.
If I did say something that offensive then I would offer apologies, but I did not.
But according to the chain of who typed what those where your words.
Yes you did say it...you directed it at me and my partner after I called you board a pig..Laurie removed the post
Select to expand quoteSP said..groovtube said..Hydromann said..
WARNING - LONG POST.
Something that everyone seems to missing is the validity of the data being used to justify the action being taken.
Everything that is being done is based on squirrelly data derived from a dynamically changing environment.
Data that is being derived based on best guess modelling from the WHO who used specific algorithms from people with vested interests.
And then there are the death counts. As varying and fluctuating as the predictions.
Apparently in NY there were over 1000 deaths a day from other causes such as cancer etc. Post Carona these deaths are now attributed solely to a virus, thereby elevating the count and justifying the actions being taken.
In engineering we always need a foundation or a datum to work from. All measurements made are then quantified from this location. And yet for this virus and the action taken we all look at the web based statistics presented through a shiny dashboard, as do our governments, and accept this as gospel truth. We then fully toe the line based on the fear campaign attached to this and willingly forfeit the freedom that father's, grandfather's, sisters and mothers died to protect.
Case in point the state of WA. Only one new community based case yesterday, and for that we have a crippled economy, potential for worse outcomes based on economical collapse, and worse a loss of our rightfully liberties and freedom to move around that allows us to survive.
I'm not saying Covid19 is not real, there is actual evidence to validate it's presence and potential damage it can cause.
But it is not the threat that it is being made out to be. Yes it will effect many if strong action to contain and control is not taken, but the action taken has a significantly greater potential to cause wider spread and longer lasting damage than the disease if not kept in check and based on real statistics.
A cure? We are now being told that restrictions will be in place until a cure or vaccine is found?
Why? Why when specifically in WA would we need to wait to implement a "cure" when through testing and measurement, along with tracking we can contain the spread? Yes maintain some travel and movement restrictions, and implement full population testing as the priority over a vaccine so that a true datum exists.
If concerns remain for at risk groups then provide that minority options to isolate and stay protected until such time that the fire has passed.
At the end of the day it all comes down to the faith you place in the officials in charge and how they are responding. In WA our guy seems to be keeping a level head. So far our cops seem to be not getting carried away with their powers and infringements, giving people the time and opportunity to adapt to the new reality, and credit to all we seem to be doing ok at that.
But for how long?
www.fort-russ.com/2020/04/major-plans-to-re-open-u-s-surgeon-general-adams-dumps-gates-predictive-contagion-model/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=ac1d610ffdb7c86e6205cd5aa310dd68ff982263-1586897275-0-ATZWipA6PVS06zGn-j9Ge-_87T2g_ki271-I49BlmGmWq2oprYbIjawisVKSE5a0xjzqqNYUHEiCQbD2vmhhvFkA9llEb3IWSe_oB7cINAJeSKzokbm0y8QVjWOqn7T3Jr0DaRRsyt2Fro3KSdFQDU7x4qV1NVcOyqf5iMDKf7-xAicuTGKiVe53D7Gt-ffTUJumr0oUU0bJX5fya_2y3j7xrocOzxmRb1gA4bBfNMNbTFkUuti9RiXdmA5rv4AYFG_PO9RfVx845cjUo5gxtn9sbydSdT3w5EFP6_hfpMUbRVZS-aDcbttAQ6NVyHAFqN3cKO9ojT6udqkq8LibE8Rh1rIvIztsPlXEMiVPDFxMSulekAiAReCN2j3sXcd7COEv-X2s-xPBPluhfAyYLpU
When ScoMo next reads the Seabreeze Longboard forum we might see some changes..
..( he'll also get some good info on how to tweak his mid length!)
Be a while before he gets here mate.
He has all the Facebook comments to get through first.
ScoMo seems more like a glider type of guy.
I disagree !!
I reckon ScoMo would be out on the Nulla beachies riding a twinny !!!
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..
All right. Someone has to say it so it might as well be me.
I bet she could suck a golf ball through a metre of garden hose as well.
LOL i love guys that state they'd be happy to die for what they believe.
Have you ever faced Death?
i have its the worst feeling. was i scared No (as it wasn't sudden) i had time to think about it.
did i cry no, was i sad yes.
Talk is cheap **** some people are full of ****.
Ha. Missed my chance to die without pain .
Ill probably die from a thousand cuts now
Riding a large motorcycle through the mountains of Thailand. Coming into the last of a series of curves with a straight out the other side of it. Coming down the slope towards the corner I'm heading into is a gravel truck with a trailer. It's coming fast, too fast! As I go into the curve I hit the brakes and go right up against the side of the mountainside. The truck comes into the corner and holds its line in its lane. The trailer though swings across fully into mine. It's tipping over at 45 degrees and the squeal of the tyres as its skids are deafening. It's a giant fly swatter filling up my vision as it swings towards me. All I have time to think is...I am dead! The trailer and I pass it each other with its corner missing my handlebar by inches.
Yeah...I'm still here...just!
i remember the mens toilets at this club were closed once so i snuck into the ladies for a dump.
as i walked past the kitchen the lady that calls out NUMBER 62 your schnitzel is ready.
calls out did a guy just walk out of the ladies toilet.
everyone looked at me..i could of died right then.
Select to expand quotegroovtube said..Hydromann said..
WARNING - LONG POST.
Something that everyone seems to missing is the validity of the data being used to justify the action being taken.
Everything that is being done is based on squirrelly data derived from a dynamically changing environment.
Data that is being derived based on best guess modelling from the WHO who used specific algorithms from people with vested interests.
And then there are the death counts. As varying and fluctuating as the predictions.
Apparently in NY there were over 1000 deaths a day from other causes such as cancer etc. Post Carona these deaths are now attributed solely to a virus, thereby elevating the count and justifying the actions being taken.
In engineering we always need a foundation or a datum to work from. All measurements made are then quantified from this location. And yet for this virus and the action taken we all look at the web based statistics presented through a shiny dashboard, as do our governments, and accept this as gospel truth. We then fully toe the line based on the fear campaign attached to this and willingly forfeit the freedom that father's, grandfather's, sisters and mothers died to protect.
Case in point the state of WA. Only one new community based case yesterday, and for that we have a crippled economy, potential for worse outcomes based on economical collapse, and worse a loss of our rightfully liberties and freedom to move around that allows us to survive.
I'm not saying Covid19 is not real, there is actual evidence to validate it's presence and potential damage it can cause.
But it is not the threat that it is being made out to be. Yes it will effect many if strong action to contain and control is not taken, but the action taken has a significantly greater potential to cause wider spread and longer lasting damage than the disease if not kept in check and based on real statistics.
A cure? We are now being told that restrictions will be in place until a cure or vaccine is found?
Why? Why when specifically in WA would we need to wait to implement a "cure" when through testing and measurement, along with tracking we can contain the spread? Yes maintain some travel and movement restrictions, and implement full population testing as the priority over a vaccine so that a true datum exists.
If concerns remain for at risk groups then provide that minority options to isolate and stay protected until such time that the fire has passed.
At the end of the day it all comes down to the faith you place in the officials in charge and how they are responding. In WA our guy seems to be keeping a level head. So far our cops seem to be not getting carried away with their powers and infringements, giving people the time and opportunity to adapt to the new reality, and credit to all we seem to be doing ok at that.
But for how long?
www.fort-russ.com/2020/04/major-plans-to-re-open-u-s-surgeon-general-adams-dumps-gates-predictive-contagion-model/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=ac1d610ffdb7c86e6205cd5aa310dd68ff982263-1586897275-0-ATZWipA6PVS06zGn-j9Ge-_87T2g_ki271-I49BlmGmWq2oprYbIjawisVKSE5a0xjzqqNYUHEiCQbD2vmhhvFkA9llEb3IWSe_oB7cINAJeSKzokbm0y8QVjWOqn7T3Jr0DaRRsyt2Fro3KSdFQDU7x4qV1NVcOyqf5iMDKf7-xAicuTGKiVe53D7Gt-ffTUJumr0oUU0bJX5fya_2y3j7xrocOzxmRb1gA4bBfNMNbTFkUuti9RiXdmA5rv4AYFG_PO9RfVx845cjUo5gxtn9sbydSdT3w5EFP6_hfpMUbRVZS-aDcbttAQ6NVyHAFqN3cKO9ojT6udqkq8LibE8Rh1rIvIztsPlXEMiVPDFxMSulekAiAReCN2j3sXcd7COEv-X2s-xPBPluhfAyYLpU
When ScoMo next reads the Seabreeze Longboard forum we might see some changes..
..( he'll also get some good info on how to tweak his mid length!) Scomo needs to ride it as a quad. Best tweak ever.
