Select to expand quoteSP said..
And what concerns me and should concern everyone is when 4 guys sitting in a car eating a pizza and not effecting anyone else are dragged into paddy wagons. Granted I don't know the full details or if they where being belligerent etc.
I don t know the fact but I'll give an opinon.
And there is the ****ing problem summed up in one paragraph.
This is a forum full of opinions mate. I welcome every one of yours even if I don't agree with you.
The point being the concern at the loss of freedom. The definition being that facts need to be investigated to determine if the action warranted the reaction on both sides.
I echoed my concerns, and at the same time the fact that I did not have all the detail.
My opinion.
Select to expand quoteHydromann said..SP said..laceys lane said..Hydromann said..laceys lane said..
From what i can see in the paper this morning they will not lift restrictions until they have 7500 ventilators nationally.
So looking at that they dont think they can stop the virus, they just delayed the rise until they were up to speed medically.
Discuss
If the virus ran screaming through us like in NY 7500 would not be enough.
Besides it has been proven that ventilators can cause more harm than good by forcing the virus deeper into lung tissue under positive pressure.
So that excuse is simply that, an excuse.
It would be much more cost effective to round up everyone with a positive test and enforce isolation for six months.
And to ensure that anyone at high risk due to an existing condition is also isolated for six months.
Meanwhile the rest of to population can keep the country running and practice good hygiene and social distancing awareness in what would essentially become a virus free environment.
Any further outbreaks could then be identified and controlled systematically.
Oz is in an ideal position to do this and to recover economically.
Without the economy recovering we will cause knock on effects that will cause more damage than the disease.
And yet all I see is a population being controlled down to allowable social interactions by fear.
I can't speak for others but I would be happy to risk contracting and even dying due to this virus than give up the hard won freedom that our grandfather's father's fought and died for.
To me it seems that we are all more scared of possible loss and casualty than being willing to protect what people willingly gave their lives for in the past. FREEDOM.
WE HAVE ALL BECOME A BUNCH OF SOFT COCK PUSSIES.
Selling out universal freedom for personal nanny state safety.
And yes I get the tragedy of loss attached to this thing. But as out illustrious leaders point out we are at war, a war where they would sacrifice freedom and not allow the personal choice for us to fight to protect it.
Talk about setting the stage for tin foil hatter's to come up with all sorts of theories!
I can appreciate this post and the guts to say it.
No harm talking
Opinons are like arsehole.
Everyone has one and most are full of ****.
People forget there is a difference between an educated option and Barry that failed ****ing year 9 science and doing his research on Google giving us a solution.
Education, experience and training are the most valuable things when forming a educated opinon.
Really SP?
That the best you got? To have a crack at someone and infer that they are uneducated through trite analogies about sphincters?
Come on bro surely you can do better than that?
Following the company, or in this case government line is not critical thinking old mate.
I actually agree strongly with what has been done and how this has been managed. A very difficult and dynamic situation.
But what I disagree with is strong arm enforcement of restricting freedoms.
Especially if people are self managing correctly minand causingimal risk to others.
And I disagree with the cops having the power to judge that subjectively.
Aww the bloke who's come back is i ****ed your wife is butt hurt someone called him a dumb ****.
It is a stupid ****ing thing to say. My opinon sticking by it.
Select to expand quoteHydromann said..SP said..
And what concerns me and should concern everyone is when 4 guys sitting in a car eating a pizza and not effecting anyone else are dragged into paddy wagons. Granted I don't know the full details or if they where being belligerent etc.
I don t know the fact but I'll give an opinon.
And there is the ****ing problem summed up in one paragraph.
This is a forum full of opinions mate. I welcome every one of yours even if I don't agree with you.
The point being the concern at the loss of freedom. The definition being that facts need to be investigated to determine if the action warranted the reaction on both sides.
I echoed my concerns, and at the same time the fact that I did not have all the detail.
My opinion.
An opinion based not on facts is ****ing worthless.
Critical thinking requires knowing the facts before forming and expressing an opinion.
But who's the judge of that!
Anyway i know one thing - 3 weeks of restrictions or lock downs isnt going to stop this virus
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..
But who's the judge of that!
Anyway i know one thing - 3 weeks of restrictions or lock downs isnt going to stop this virus
That's not the point of them. They are managing numbers.. This ****er ain't going anywhere for a long while yet. They can't stop it but you can manage infection rates against the number of hospital beds.
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..
But who's the judge of that!
Anyway i know one thing - 3 weeks of restrictions or lock downs isnt going to stop this virus
I think its done a very good job of slowing the spread, don't you think?
Select to expand quoteSP said..laceys lane said..SP said..laceys lane said..Hydromann said..laceys lane said..
From what i can see in the paper this morning they will not lift restrictions until they have 7500 ventilators nationally.
So looking at that they dont think they can stop the virus, they just delayed the rise until they were up to speed medically.
Discuss
If the virus ran screaming through us like in NY 7500 would not be enough.
Besides it has been proven that ventilators can cause more harm than good by forcing the virus deeper into lung tissue under positive pressure.
So that excuse is simply that, an excuse.
It would be much more cost effective to round up everyone with a positive test and enforce isolation for six months.
And to ensure that anyone at high risk due to an existing condition is also isolated for six months.
Meanwhile the rest of to population can keep the country running and practice good hygiene and social distancing awareness in what would essentially become a virus free environment.
Any further outbreaks could then be identified and controlled systematically.
Oz is in an ideal position to do this and to recover economically.
Without the economy recovering we will cause knock on effects that will cause more damage than the disease.
And yet all I see is a population being controlled down to allowable social interactions by fear.
I can't speak for others but I would be happy to risk contracting and even dying due to this virus than give up the hard won freedom that our grandfather's father's fought and died for.
To me it seems that we are all more scared of possible loss and casualty than being willing to protect what people willingly gave their lives for in the past. FREEDOM.
WE HAVE ALL BECOME A BUNCH OF SOFT COCK PUSSIES.
Selling out universal freedom for personal nanny state safety.
And yes I get the tragedy of loss attached to this thing. But as out illustrious leaders point out we are at war, a war where they would sacrifice freedom and not allow the personal choice for us to fight to protect it.
Talk about setting the stage for tin foil hatter's to come up with all sorts of theories!
I can appreciate this post and the guts to say it.
No harm talking
Opinons are like arsehole.
Everyone has one and most are full of ****.
People forget there is a difference between an educated option and what Barry that failed ****ing year 9 science and does his research on Google says.
Education, experience and training are the most valuable things when forming a educated opinon.
When we throw them out we may as well just run the country by a Facebook poll.
Sorry. Im not for shutting anyone down unless it rascist violent etc etc..
Ignorance is just as dangerous as racism.
Except no one here is trying to be ignorant or racist.
So what exactly is it that you are trying to say in you two paragraph analogies?
Because all I see is people expressing valid concerns from their perspectives and trying to quantify what they are based on whilst seeking further understanding and valid feedback.
Not exactly trying to be ignorant or racist.
Select to expand quoteMacaha said..laceys lane said..
But who's the judge of that!
Anyway i know one thing - 3 weeks of restrictions or lock downs isnt going to stop this virus
I think its done a very good job of slowing the spread, don't you think?
No doubt about it.
Australia is in a great position
Select to expand quoteSP said..laceys lane said..
But who's the judge of that!
Anyway i know one thing - 3 weeks of restrictions or lock downs isnt going to stop this virus
That's not the point of them. They are managing numbers.. This ****er ain't going anywhere for a long while yet. They can't stop it but you can manage infection rates against the number of hospital beds.
Hey looky here. Common ground.
They can manage it offensively in place of defensively.
Test, test, test.... Isolate.
Repeat.
One said the NRL has a hide to think it can reboot the comp, while all a long this guy has been surfing, makes no sense
I've got two tradies working at my place and there is no social distancing at all,thinking of calling the government so we can have construction closed down,good enough for other businesses
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..Macaha said..laceys lane said..
But who's the judge of that!
Anyway i know one thing - 3 weeks of restrictions or lock downs isnt going to stop this virus
I think its done a very good job of slowing the spread, don't you think?
No doubt about it.
Australia is in a great position
Yes, a credit to the strong action and also the population.
But time to move from defensive action to offensive plans and get this country running again.
The systems and technology exist to now see this enemy. We need to destroy its stealth and pinpoint it's positions for a targeted offensive that will then release the population to get on with life.
We don't need to hide in out bunkers waiting for a miracle cure for 18 months.
Select to expand quoteMacaha said..
I've got two tradies working at my place and there is no social distancing at all,thinking of calling the government so we can have construction closed down,good enough for other businesses
You are a tool hey
Make sure you don't watch more than 1/2 or this...gaining knowledge & hearing opposing views might make you ignorant. Be good sheeple, don't stray from the flock.
Select to expand quoteMacaha said..
One said the NRL has a hide to think it can reboot the comp, while all a long this guy has been surfing, makes no sense
But im solo surfing mac.
Im not sweating all over bunch of other guys.
Construction. Yeah the rules go out the window there. Not possible.
But its classed as essential.
. Now i know youve made a personal choice not surf while virus is around and good on you.
You could be not surfing for a long time so that commitment sure is a big one .
Still . It is confusing when your as proud as punch that your son was surfing with kelly.
Even posted on instragram.
Why don't you post that photo in the surfing page. Its cracker. Looks like a younger you
Maintenance guys turns up this morning to do his weekly clean etc.
Brought his kids along to play around the place while he was doing his stuff....... Really
WTF
Select to expand quoteMickPC said..
Make sure you don't watch more than 1/2 or this...gaining knowledge & hearing opposing views might make you ignorant. Be good sheeple, don't stray from the flock.
Baa
Yes the world's largest media organisation owned by the a super rich capitalist who makes his money through ratings and selling ad space that has the largest media organistaion in Britain, the US and Australia is a great alternative news source.
Same flock just a very rich self controlling Shepard.
Select to expand quoteSP said..
Yes the largest media organisation in the world owned by the man that has the largest media organistaion in Britain, the US and Australia is a great alternative news source.
Also credited as a bloke that helped get the current gov elected through his media coverage..
I didn't ask for a background check on how the message was conveyed, I was suggesting listening to what Pauline had to say.
And if your reffering to the Federal election, thank god they got in. Otherwise we'd be living in a far left socialist censored hell (ie Victoria)...my only interest in your state election is that Mark Latham the former Labour leader is now a sitting member of the NSW legislative council due to his concern with the way NSW has been heading or in reality. Where it is now, but now isn't the time to digress down that rabbit hole.
Select to expand quoteSP said..Hydromann said..SP said..laceys lane said..Hydromann said..laceys lane said..
From what i can see in the paper this morning they will not lift restrictions until they have 7500 ventilators nationally.
So looking at that they dont think they can stop the virus, they just delayed the rise until they were up to speed medically.
Discuss
If the virus ran screaming through us like in NY 7500 would not be enough.
Besides it has been proven that ventilators can cause more harm than good by forcing the virus deeper into lung tissue under positive pressure.
So that excuse is simply that, an excuse.
It would be much more cost effective to round up everyone with a positive test and enforce isolation for six months.
And to ensure that anyone at high risk due to an existing condition is also isolated for six months.
Meanwhile the rest of to population can keep the country running and practice good hygiene and social distancing awareness in what would essentially become a virus free environment.
Any further outbreaks could then be identified and controlled systematically.
Oz is in an ideal position to do this and to recover economically.
Without the economy recovering we will cause knock on effects that will cause more damage than the disease.
And yet all I see is a population being controlled down to allowable social interactions by fear.
I can't speak for others but I would be happy to risk contracting and even dying due to this virus than give up the hard won freedom that our grandfather's father's fought and died for.
To me it seems that we are all more scared of possible loss and casualty than being willing to protect what people willingly gave their lives for in the past. FREEDOM.
WE HAVE ALL BECOME A BUNCH OF SOFT COCK PUSSIES.
Selling out universal freedom for personal nanny state safety.
And yes I get the tragedy of loss attached to this thing. But as out illustrious leaders point out we are at war, a war where they would sacrifice freedom and not allow the personal choice for us to fight to protect it.
Talk about setting the stage for tin foil hatter's to come up with all sorts of theories!
I can appreciate this post and the guts to say it.
No harm talking
Opinons are like arsehole.
Everyone has one and most are full of ****.
People forget there is a difference between an educated option and Barry that failed ****ing year 9 science and doing his research on Google giving us a solution.
Education, experience and training are the most valuable things when forming a educated opinon.
Really SP?
That the best you got? To have a crack at someone and infer that they are uneducated through trite analogies about sphincters?
Come on bro surely you can do better than that?
Following the company, or in this case government line is not critical thinking old mate.
I actually agree strongly with what has been done and how this has been managed. A very difficult and dynamic situation.
But what I disagree with is strong arm enforcement of restricting freedoms.
Especially if people are self managing correctly minand causingimal risk to others.
And I disagree with the cops having the power to judge that subjectively.
Aww the bloke who's come back is i ****ed your wife is butt hurt someone called him a dumb ****.
It is a stupid ****ing thing to say. My opinon sticking by it.
Mate really?
Think you may have missed the coffee stop this morning. Might need to go back and do a reset?
I'm all for differing opinions because that makes me question my own position and assumptions, and I fully welcome every one of them.
I even welcome being called stupid for an unfounded statement.
But resorting to name calling and analogies based on anatomical characterisations is piss poor form and beyond juvenile.
Select to expand quoteHydromann said..SP said..Hydromann said..SP said..laceys lane said..Hydromann said..laceys lane said..
From what i can see in the paper this morning they will not lift restrictions until they have 7500 ventilators nationally.
So looking at that they dont think they can stop the virus, they just delayed the rise until they were up to speed medically.
Discuss
If the virus ran screaming through us like in NY 7500 would not be enough.
Besides it has been proven that ventilators can cause more harm than good by forcing the virus deeper into lung tissue under positive pressure.
So that excuse is simply that, an excuse.
It would be much more cost effective to round up everyone with a positive test and enforce isolation for six months.
And to ensure that anyone at high risk due to an existing condition is also isolated for six months.
Meanwhile the rest of to population can keep the country running and practice good hygiene and social distancing awareness in what would essentially become a virus free environment.
Any further outbreaks could then be identified and controlled systematically.
Oz is in an ideal position to do this and to recover economically.
Without the economy recovering we will cause knock on effects that will cause more damage than the disease.
And yet all I see is a population being controlled down to allowable social interactions by fear.
I can't speak for others but I would be happy to risk contracting and even dying due to this virus than give up the hard won freedom that our grandfather's father's fought and died for.
To me it seems that we are all more scared of possible loss and casualty than being willing to protect what people willingly gave their lives for in the past. FREEDOM.
WE HAVE ALL BECOME A BUNCH OF SOFT COCK PUSSIES.
Selling out universal freedom for personal nanny state safety.
And yes I get the tragedy of loss attached to this thing. But as out illustrious leaders point out we are at war, a war where they would sacrifice freedom and not allow the personal choice for us to fight to protect it.
Talk about setting the stage for tin foil hatter's to come up with all sorts of theories!
I can appreciate this post and the guts to say it.
No harm talking
Opinons are like arsehole.
Everyone has one and most are full of ****.
People forget there is a difference between an educated option and Barry that failed ****ing year 9 science and doing his research on Google giving us a solution.
Education, experience and training are the most valuable things when forming a educated opinon.
Really SP?
That the best you got? To have a crack at someone and infer that they are uneducated through trite analogies about sphincters?
Come on bro surely you can do better than that?
Following the company, or in this case government line is not critical thinking old mate.
I actually agree strongly with what has been done and how this has been managed. A very difficult and dynamic situation.
But what I disagree with is strong arm enforcement of restricting freedoms.
Especially if people are self managing correctly minand causingimal risk to others.
And I disagree with the cops having the power to judge that subjectively.
Aww the bloke who's come back is i ****ed your wife is butt hurt someone called him a dumb ****.
It is a stupid ****ing thing to say. My opinon sticking by it.
Mate really?
Think you may have missed the coffee stop this morning. Might need to go back and do a reset?
I'm all for differing opinions because that makes me question my own position and assumptions, and I fully welcome every one of them.
I even welcome being called stupid for an unfounded statement.
But resorting to name calling and analogies based on anatomical characterisations is piss poor form and beyond juvenile.
You saying I ****ed your wife and calling her a pig wasn't?
Start throwing stones mate and people will treat you how you treat others.
Select to expand quoteSP said..Hydromann said..SP said..Hydromann said..SP said..laceys lane said..Hydromann said..laceys lane said..
From what i can see in the paper this morning they will not lift restrictions until they have 7500 ventilators nationally.
So looking at that they dont think they can stop the virus, they just delayed the rise until they were up to speed medically.
Discuss
If the virus ran screaming through us like in NY 7500 would not be enough.
Besides it has been proven that ventilators can cause more harm than good by forcing the virus deeper into lung tissue under positive pressure.
So that excuse is simply that, an excuse.
It would be much more cost effective to round up everyone with a positive test and enforce isolation for six months.
And to ensure that anyone at high risk due to an existing condition is also isolated for six months.
Meanwhile the rest of to population can keep the country running and practice good hygiene and social distancing awareness in what would essentially become a virus free environment.
Any further outbreaks could then be identified and controlled systematically.
Oz is in an ideal position to do this and to recover economically.
Without the economy recovering we will cause knock on effects that will cause more damage than the disease.
And yet all I see is a population being controlled down to allowable social interactions by fear.
I can't speak for others but I would be happy to risk contracting and even dying due to this virus than give up the hard won freedom that our grandfather's father's fought and died for.
To me it seems that we are all more scared of possible loss and casualty than being willing to protect what people willingly gave their lives for in the past. FREEDOM.
WE HAVE ALL BECOME A BUNCH OF SOFT COCK PUSSIES.
Selling out universal freedom for personal nanny state safety.
And yes I get the tragedy of loss attached to this thing. But as out illustrious leaders point out we are at war, a war where they would sacrifice freedom and not allow the personal choice for us to fight to protect it.
Talk about setting the stage for tin foil hatter's to come up with all sorts of theories!
I can appreciate this post and the guts to say it.
No harm talking
Opinons are like arsehole.
Everyone has one and most are full of ****.
People forget there is a difference between an educated option and Barry that failed ****ing year 9 science and doing his research on Google giving us a solution.
Education, experience and training are the most valuable things when forming a educated opinon.
Really SP?
That the best you got? To have a crack at someone and infer that they are uneducated through trite analogies about sphincters?
Come on bro surely you can do better than that?
Following the company, or in this case government line is not critical thinking old mate.
I actually agree strongly with what has been done and how this has been managed. A very difficult and dynamic situation.
But what I disagree with is strong arm enforcement of restricting freedoms.
Especially if people are self managing correctly minand causingimal risk to others.
And I disagree with the cops having the power to judge that subjectively.
Aww the bloke who's come back is i ****ed your wife is butt hurt someone called him a dumb ****.
It is a stupid ****ing thing to say. My opinon sticking by it.
Mate really?
Think you may have missed the coffee stop this morning. Might need to go back and do a reset?
I'm all for differing opinions because that makes me question my own position and assumptions, and I fully welcome every one of them.
I even welcome being called stupid for an unfounded statement.
But resorting to name calling and analogies based on anatomical characterisations is piss poor form and beyond juvenile.
You saying I ****ed your wife and calling her a pig wasn't?
Start throwing stones mate and people will treat you how you treat others.
Surely that wasn't said
Select to expand quoteSP said..Hydromann said..SP said..Hydromann said..SP said..laceys lane said..Hydromann said..laceys lane said..
From what i can see in the paper this morning they will not lift restrictions until they have 7500 ventilators nationally.
So looking at that they dont think they can stop the virus, they just delayed the rise until they were up to speed medically.
Discuss
If the virus ran screaming through us like in NY 7500 would not be enough.
Besides it has been proven that ventilators can cause more harm than good by forcing the virus deeper into lung tissue under positive pressure.
So that excuse is simply that, an excuse.
It would be much more cost effective to round up everyone with a positive test and enforce isolation for six months.
And to ensure that anyone at high risk due to an existing condition is also isolated for six months.
Meanwhile the rest of to population can keep the country running and practice good hygiene and social distancing awareness in what would essentially become a virus free environment.
Any further outbreaks could then be identified and controlled systematically.
Oz is in an ideal position to do this and to recover economically.
Without the economy recovering we will cause knock on effects that will cause more damage than the disease.
And yet all I see is a population being controlled down to allowable social interactions by fear.
I can't speak for others but I would be happy to risk contracting and even dying due to this virus than give up the hard won freedom that our grandfather's father's fought and died for.
To me it seems that we are all more scared of possible loss and casualty than being willing to protect what people willingly gave their lives for in the past. FREEDOM.
WE HAVE ALL BECOME A BUNCH OF SOFT COCK PUSSIES.
Selling out universal freedom for personal nanny state safety.
And yes I get the tragedy of loss attached to this thing. But as out illustrious leaders point out we are at war, a war where they would sacrifice freedom and not allow the personal choice for us to fight to protect it.
Talk about setting the stage for tin foil hatter's to come up with all sorts of theories!
I can appreciate this post and the guts to say it.
No harm talking
Opinons are like arsehole.
Everyone has one and most are full of ****.
People forget there is a difference between an educated option and Barry that failed ****ing year 9 science and doing his research on Google giving us a solution.
Education, experience and training are the most valuable things when forming a educated opinon.
Really SP?
That the best you got? To have a crack at someone and infer that they are uneducated through trite analogies about sphincters?
Come on bro surely you can do better than that?
Following the company, or in this case government line is not critical thinking old mate.
I actually agree strongly with what has been done and how this has been managed. A very difficult and dynamic situation.
But what I disagree with is strong arm enforcement of restricting freedoms.
Especially if people are self managing correctly minand causingimal risk to others.
And I disagree with the cops having the power to judge that subjectively.
Aww the bloke who's come back is i ****ed your wife is butt hurt someone called him a dumb ****.
It is a stupid ****ing thing to say. My opinon sticking by it.
Mate really?
Think you may have missed the coffee stop this morning. Might need to go back and do a reset?
I'm all for differing opinions because that makes me question my own position and assumptions, and I fully welcome every one of them.
I even welcome being called stupid for an unfounded statement.
But resorting to name calling and analogies based on anatomical characterisations is piss poor form and beyond juvenile.
You saying I ****ed your wife and calling her a pig wasn't?
Start throwing stones mate and people will treat you how you treat others.
Yes it sure was in relation to a non offensive post about a surfboard.
Nothing offensive In their comment but that was the reply they got.
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..
This getting worse then facebook hey mac
Mate you keep mentioning the word facebook what is it?
Just heard on the radio. That outbreak in nw tassie. Well turns out medical people had a dinner party and that outbreak is being linked to that party
Select to expand quoteMacaha said..laceys lane said..
This getting worse then facebook hey mac
Mate you keep mentioning the word facebook what is it?
A place where sane people can lose it
Select to expand quoteMacaha said..
LOL, your freedom will return have patients.
Plenty of patients here Mac - not so much patience 
sorry for being a smart Arse - old man used to be an English teacher
We are now facing possible 2 week house lockdown -will be a pain in the arse but agree if we all stay on course this won't go on forever -
