Lockdown

^^^ mickpc do you class 45 - 64 year olds as elderly? Coz 23% of deaths are in that age bracket

even 4% in 18 to 44 year old bracket is high in my opinion

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Ctngoodvibes said..
^^^ mickpc do you class 45 - 64 year olds as elderly? Coz 23% of deaths are in that age bracket

even 4% in 18 to 44 year old bracket is high in my opinion

They are high m8. We're a lot healthier here in Oz. There is also no financial reason for Oz hospitals to report a death as a covid death. Even that bloke who died with a cops knee on his neck was put down as a covid death. I'm not joking.

I think you'll find Australian stats far more reliable.

They can be found here;
www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers#cases-and-deaths-by-age-and-sex

Scroll down to "COVID-19 deaths by age group and sex"

We haven't had anywhere near enough cases in Australia for the stats to tell us anything. That's the way stats work , to small a field and it's misleading

clearly it's a deadly virus even the the young doctor who first tried to report it in China died

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MickPC said..

Ctngoodvibes said..
^^^ mickpc do you class 45 - 64 year olds as elderly? Coz 23% of deaths are in that age bracket

even 4% in 18 to 44 year old bracket is high in my opinion

They are high m8. We're a lot healthier here in Oz. There is also no financial reason for Oz hospitals to report a death as a covid death. Even that bloke who died with a cops knee on his neck was put down as a covid death. I'm not joking.

I think you'll find Australian stats far more reliable.

They can be found here;
www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers#cases-and-deaths-by-age-and-sex

Scroll down to "COVID-19 deaths by age group and sex"

We haven't had anywhere near enough cases in Australia for the stats to tell us anything. That's the way stats work , to small a field and it's misleading

clearly it's a deadly virus even the the young doctor who first tried to report it in China died

Yep sure is, the law of large numbers is a wonderful thing.
The larger the sample size the more likely to obtain an indicative result that reflects for reality.

And let's not forget Australia stats are skewed by the very policies that mick is opposed to. What are they like in Sweden? Which is more like the measures Mick supports.

Ironic that he is opposed to the method but happy to use the numbers from that method to back up a point.

Provided the sample size is a true representation of those infected. Its common knowledge most people present asymptomatic, are unaware they have Covid 19 & are not tested. The 0.25 fatality rate I quote is from the "Centers for Disease Control and Prevention" although I admit its from serveral weeks ago when we were at the height of infection rate. No credible source has claimed an 8% fatality rate, its not even that high for the elderly.

I know sports been very much effected by all this but can we please have a sensible discussion without it constantly turning into a A vs B, even if you think your on the A-team (still makes me lol Cobra ; ).

The stats are skewed in Oz SP, because most of those infected to begin with who still represent the majority of those infected were elderly people on cruise ships. Which made it easier to trace, localized the hotspots & we had the benefit of shutting down earlier based on feedback from countries effected earlier. None-the-less that means our fatality rate should be demographically higher, but its not & for obvious reasons when compared to the US or even Sweden. Like I mentioned earlier today, consider Japan in your thoughts. Another island nation. No Gov lockdown, 126 million people & 900 something fatality rate. BTW Japan has the most per capita elderly population & you can hardly consider them to be sparsely distributed.

Ironic pfffft, perhaps based on your pov but not mine. But I do appreciate the non meme input for a change. Cheers SP, hava good1.

Captain Goodvibes I disagree, I think we have a pretty good indication of how serious the virus is from our stats & countries other than the US. Sorry different countries report differently based upon their own policies & this has been a big issue all along that people have called for more standard reporting across the board. That has not happened yet.

Regarding the DR that died early on reporting about Covid 19. Thats a can of worms I'm not going to address m8, only to say a lot of people went missing through that early period. The measures China went to to cover things up in the beginning were extreme & widely reported.

You might want to check countries other than the US where hospitals DID NOT have a financial incentive to report Covid cases & fatalities.

You pick one..

They are all listed here.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?" %5Cl "countries

They also both put in place the measure you disagreed with and do not represent the mortality rate of the disease as they have put in place in your words extreme measures to stop the spread. Now you are using them to say the death rate is low... Logic fail..

Antarctica has low death rates too doesn't mean it an accurate representation

Look in the end I can't be bothered going around in circles, the point you made and I replied to was the death rate was 0.25% it is clearly not in the normal spread of the disease and not even in many countries with measures in place.

So China tried everything including murdering its own people to cover up the virus. But the virus is not that bad and the world is deliberately overplaying how deadly it is?
me no understand

all this conspiracy stuff doesn't help mick. People are dying and some are young and previously healthy people

you reckon this guy thinks it's not real? And he's only 41
www.google.com.au/amp/s/au.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/coronavirus-nick-cordero-leg-amputated-complications-211436376.html

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So China tried everything including murdering its own people to cover up the virus. But the virus is not that bad and the world is deliberately overplaying how deadly it is?
me no understand

all this conspiracy stuff doesn't help mick. People are dying and some are young and previously healthy people

you reckon this guy thinks it's not real? And he's only 41
www.google.com.au/amp/s/au.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/coronavirus-nick-cordero-leg-amputated-complications-211436376.html

Each & every death or people seriously effected like this poor bugger is tragic m8. No ones denying that, least of all me.

The virus can be deadly to those with compromised immunity systems & or other underlying health issues. I've always said we should quarantine them, rather than the whole population. We could have spent a hell of a lot less money & saved thousands of jobs by doing that. In fact we could have created extra jobs by employing more people to care for those at risk instead of putting so many on the dole. Australia could have done that, I'm not saying all countries could have done that, but we could have.

Like I said I'm not going to get into China. It was well reported that they downplayed the severity & infection rate of the virus. No one believes any of the stats they shared. There's more too it though like how China was saying everyone was being racist by closing transport routes from China to protect their countries. China was concerned about trade & saving face. They work very hard to protect their image. Too this day, the number of internet connections too my website is 3 to 1 in favour of China after I wrote about their development on Serangan island, Bali.

Did you hear about Italy's advertising campaign to give a hug to someone that appears Chinese in the early days of the virus due to China's claims of people trying to protect themselves being perceived as racism. I'll leave you with the ad.

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They also both put in place the measure you disagreed with and do not represent the mortality rate of the disease as they have put in place in your words extreme measures to stop the spread. Now you are using them to say the death rate is low... Logic fail..

No they didn't, Japan did not lockdown like Australia did, heaps of people did not lose their jobs. The government made suggestions & people followed the suggestions based upon their own personal decisions. My parents in law who are in their 70's were not required to shut down their business & they did not stop working.

Their fatality rate is very low given a population size of 126 million people, how compact the population is, transportation methods, high percentage of elderly people etc ect

How is it a logic fail We just see things differently.

Silliest post ever. LOL Japan was playing their nothings wrong here card,because they wanted the Olympics to go ahead. my son was there in March. I can tell you they were very low key with people hiding.l

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They also both put in place the measure you disagreed with and do not represent the mortality rate of the disease as they have put in place in your words extreme measures to stop the spread. Now you are using them to say the death rate is low... Logic fail..

No they didn't, Japan did not lockdown like Australia did, heaps of people did not lose their jobs. The government made suggestions & people followed the suggestions based upon their own personal decisions. My parents in law who are in their 70's were not required to shut down their business & they did not stop working.

Their fatality rate is very low given a population size of 126 million people, how compact the population is, transportation methods, high percentage of elderly people etc ect

How is it a logic fail We just see things differently.

Silliest post ever. LOL Japan was playing their nothings wrong here card,because they wanted the Olympics to go ahead. my son was there in March. I can tell you they were very low key with people hiding.l

So your trying to tell me Japan's stats don't matter coz you reckon Japan wanted the olympics to go ahead & you have inside information coz your son holidayed there in March...and your claiming my post to be the silliest post ever Mate I love you, really I do. You crack me up also & I'm not writing that to be a smart azz

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MickPC said..

SP said..
They also both put in place the measure you disagreed with and do not represent the mortality rate of the disease as they have put in place in your words extreme measures to stop the spread. Now you are using them to say the death rate is low... Logic fail..

No they didn't, Japan did not lockdown like Australia did, heaps of people did not lose their jobs. The government made suggestions & people followed the suggestions based upon their own personal decisions. My parents in law who are in their 70's were not required to shut down their business & they did not stop working.

Their fatality rate is very low given a population size of 126 million people, how compact the population is, transportation methods, high percentage of elderly people etc ect

How is it a logic fail We just see things differently.

Silliest post ever. LOL Japan was playing their nothings wrong here card,because they wanted the Olympics to go ahead. my son was there in March. I can tell you they were very low key with people hiding.l

So your trying to tell me Japan's stats don't matter coz you reckon Japan wanted the olympics to go ahead & you have inside information coz your son holidayed there in March...and your claiming my post to be the silliest post ever Mate I love you, really I do. You crack me up also & I'm not writing that to be a smart azz

Yet you are claiming you are smarter than everyone because you get the real smart info from YouTube....yeh ok

Bodily Automony...who should decide what goes into your body. You or someone else...Sounds like a crazy question right Welll not the way we're headed. I think I asked before, should people who are not at risk of a serious response to Covid 19 be forced to have a so-called Covid 19 vaccine And if one was announced would you be lining up for one ASAP or not

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Bodily Automony...who should decide what goes into your body. You or someone else...Sounds like a crazy question right Welll not the way we're headed. I think I asked before, should people who are not at risk of a serious response to Covid 19 be forced to have a so-called Covid 19 vaccine And if one was announced would you be lining up for one ASAP or not

Yeh **** that polio one and etc etc etc etc as well...bloody vaccines and medicine