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ISAF Selects Kiteboarding For Rio 2016

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Created by jusavina > 9 months ago, 5 May 2012
jusavina
QLD, 1463 posts
6 May 2012 1:03AM
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www.sailing.org/38281.php

No comment, I don't want to be rude...

scarrgo
WA, 193 posts
5 May 2012 11:17PM
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is very sad but bound to happen when the windsurfing class is RSX
it just has got no hope of competing against something with the excitement and spectacle of kite racing. perhaps they will bring windsurfing back in the future like the multi hull with a different class like formula

dusta
WA, 2940 posts
6 May 2012 12:22AM
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jusavina said...

www.sailing.org/38281.php

No comment, I don't want to be rude...




you mad ?

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
6 May 2012 6:21AM
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scarrgo said...

is very sad but bound to happen when the windsurfing class is RSX
it just has got no hope of competing against something with the excitement and spectacle of kite racing. perhaps they will bring windsurfing back in the future like the multi hull with a different class like formula


Have you seen kite racing? I have once and it was incredibly boring on TV. Little speed or little visual speed anyway. Big, funny looking kite boards that look nothing like normal kite boards, more like weird old fashioned windsurf boards. Gotta say the whole competition on TV was boring. It was from Vietnam or somewhere like that. In what looked like a kiting jumping competition the commentators worked themselves into a lather whenever a kiter did some sort of dangly twisty move.

Let them have the Olympics. It's irrelevant to 99.9% of windsurfers or kite boarders.

Sterlings
QLD, 73 posts
6 May 2012 8:09AM
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sign this. and help some hard working Aussie kids realise their dreams. After the 10 hours/gym a week and 4-5 sessions a week on the water as well as full time uni. This dedication and dream has been wiped by some punters with no idea.



www.change.org/p/isaf-keep-windsurfing-as-olympic-discipline

Longlines
65 posts
6 May 2012 7:29AM
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WS is in good company. Surfing is not an Olympic sport either.

WS community now has to decide on its format and supply strategies for the next bid for Olympics and get the ISAF on side. If they can go for the simplicity of the Kite concept, why do we persist with RSX or Formula concepts?. Why not go direct to the Slalom format with manufacturers bidding to supply within a design 'box'?

Subsonic
WA, 3118 posts
6 May 2012 8:19AM
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Longlines said...

WS is in good company. Surfing is not an Olympic sport either.

WS community now has to decide on its format and supply strategies for the next bid for Olympics and get the ISAF on side. If they can go for the simplicity of the Kite concept, why do we persist with RSX or Formula concepts?. Why not go direct to the Slalom format with manufacturers bidding to supply within a design 'box'?


Your sympathy is appreciated, I fear you will find kitesailing at the olympics will end up the same way, theyre interested in sailor against sailor, they won't allow differences in design or shape. Thats why they use RSX, as boring as it is compared to other sailboarding/windsurfing. Slalom at the olympics sounds like a good idea, Im not sure the old fogeys at ISAF will go for it thoughIt's unfortunate we (sailboarders/kiters) all have to fall under their banner and take their "good" governance onboard when it comes to the olympics

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
6 May 2012 10:42AM
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Subsonic said... kitesailing


It's catching on already!!

Mark _australia
WA, 22377 posts
6 May 2012 9:23AM
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We have always had racing classes at the the Olympics which don't relate all that well to what most sailors do, or what most people like to watch, as there is no wind at most of these places the Olympics is held.

If kiting gets up, it will go the same way - dead boring as you can't do much in 5kn whatever craft you are on.

The PWA tried - Formula was designed to be an Olympic class so it would be almost all planing racing but RS-X got up. Dumb dumbs, the ISAF and Olympic peeps think it has to be one design, but Formula sort of achieves that with restriction of one board and 3 sails (without the need to dedicate your life savings just to give it a try). Can't see slalom will ever get up, needs too much wind

I say indoor!
Indoor freestyle at the olympics would be cool and people would want to queue up to get in - nobody watches the sailing events live

snides8
WA, 1730 posts
6 May 2012 9:39AM
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I wonder if its going to look like this?

choco
SA, 4032 posts
6 May 2012 11:27AM
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The Olympic Games sold itself out $$$$$ years ago so who cares

Longlines
65 posts
6 May 2012 10:12AM
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Looked at objectively, that RRD kit is very nice.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
6 May 2012 12:15PM
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Longlines said...

Looked at objectively, that RRD kit is very nice.


Yes it does look good, mainly because it looks like a good windsurfing board plus a couple of big fins. Would it catch on though? Many kiters kite coz they don't have to learn how to tack or gybe.

lao shi
SA, 1293 posts
6 May 2012 12:15PM
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Saw another brand race board at Auswind last week. Similar but it ran 2 38 fronts and 2 42 rears! Thats a lot of fin!
Windsurfers do the odd bit of damage with 1 let alone 4!
Signed the petition www.change.org/p/isaf-keep-windsurfing-as-olympic-discipline as I feel sorry for those young riders including a number in WA who had Olympic dreams

Mark _australia
WA, 22377 posts
6 May 2012 10:58AM
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Personally I couldn't care less about Olympic windsurfing because it is borderline irrelevant and administered by yachties.

BUT I am angry they have just dropped it - I mean if they want WS gone, they could at least phase it out by a certain date in 10yrs or something. Lots of people have spent lots of money on gear and travel, and the training required is huge. I can't even imagine how some people are feeling now, must rip your heart out

evets
WA, 685 posts
6 May 2012 11:48AM
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To say I am sad that windsurfing is going would be a bit hypocritical, I have never paid any attention to it in previous games.
The RRD video is interesting, in a promotional video where I expect they could use the very best riders and edit to their hearts content they could not show uncut decent tacks or gybes (ok upwind or downwind board-side changes). If this is the format proposed it does not seem to be well developed. Maybe also it will have the same level of interest from kiters being so far divorced from what most kiters do.

Z1291
208 posts
6 May 2012 2:01PM
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To be honest, I think the ideal windsurfing sport to have in the Olympics, would be indoor (high speed) slalom and freestyle like they use to have in the PWA. - This would mean there is no dependency on conditions meaning a high level of performance, and a it could be held anywhere. (Even if there are no lakes, rivers or oceans) And it would make a good spectator event.

EDIT: Just saw marks post sorry.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
6 May 2012 6:24PM
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Its probably a good time to buy a cheap RSX if you want one.

cammd
QLD, 3761 posts
6 May 2012 6:34PM
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I am thinking my RSX just lost some resale value. A real disappointing result for windsurfing and particularly for those sailors that have bee investing so much time effort and money. My son did his first race on his brand new techno yesterday I am hoping this class wont be affected but its hard to see how it won't.

Windxtasy
WA, 4014 posts
6 May 2012 4:45PM
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Is kiting even sailing?

Mark _australia
WA, 22377 posts
6 May 2012 7:32PM
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The petition is all good but I wonder if large organisations even notice them.

However they will notice emails.

2200 people have signed the petition in 15hrs, imagine if they all email tonight.....


http://www.sailing.org/contactisaf.php

Very hard to find a general contact for the IOC but this should work:

email: pressoffice@olympic.org


Edit - found it: secure.registration.olympic.org/en/faq/ask-question
but it only allows 1000 characters in the message box so hey, why not flood the media email too

Cam11
WA, 13 posts
6 May 2012 7:49PM
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Windxtasy said...
Is kiting even sailing?


More like a form of hot air ballooning I think?

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
6 May 2012 10:09PM
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It'll be so exciting too watch.
Gotta love a sport with in-built comedy potential.

swoosh
QLD, 1927 posts
6 May 2012 10:28PM
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out of interest how is kiteboarding meant to work in light winds?

i thought one of the reasons we have the rs:x equipment is that racing needs to be able to be run from 5-30kts... kites don't fly unless its 10+kts?

wonder how those raceboards handle chop, looks like they would be hard to keep level without mastfoot pressure to keep the board in check.

Scotf
QLD, 1241 posts
6 May 2012 10:34PM
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I was just down at the Royal Australian Yacht Club with the QLD RSX coach and he is devastated. The big picture is the conversion of legitimate sporting events for TV attractive codes. The Olympics has always been for me the overcoming of obstacles and human endurance to succeed amongst equal piers, in difficult and technically challenging sports. Windsurfing being the perfect example of such a pursuit. It is the beginning of the end of the Olympic spirit for mine and I really feel for the competitors and families who have dedicated so much to the pursuit of excellence in our awesome but highly underrated sport.

DarkHorse
QLD, 129 posts
6 May 2012 10:48PM
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Yet again ISAF and the Olympic Committee have shown that they have no idea in what they are doing with sailing. After the unbelievable decision of having NO Multihulls at London (apparently they are too boring to watch - Finns are much more exciting... hmmmm).
Now they have decided that because there are a lot of people enjoying (not racing) kite boarding then they have booted out windsurfing.
Windsurfing has, after 30 years of Olympic involvement, got a well organised training and racing system which includes youth development and all... now what happens? I feel for all the young up and coming windsurfers who have been working on their olympic dream only to have a group of Out of Touch administrators destroy their years of work..
Look on Sailing Anarchy for info on the history of what happened to Multihulls (Tornado Class). They have got Multi's back in for 2016, Let's hope Windsurfing rightly gets this decision changed..
Dave Sandos - NZL46.com

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
6 May 2012 10:59PM
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Aside from my other thread....

Kite racing may be the lowest participation sport ever to be granted olympic status.

I can't believe there are any more than 1000 people globally who have ever raced. It cheapens the olympics, cheapens the medal and makes a mockery out of the ISAF.

DAM71
QLD, 498 posts
6 May 2012 11:45PM
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Is anyone really that surprised? The ISAF review the events for the Olympics like any other discipline. They can only have so many, so they are not able to add one without dropping another. (cycling dropped a road event to include BMX). Every few years the ISAF review the classes and for some reason with windsurfing their are challenges to the class. The mistral was dumped for the RSX (pryde by the way), and I remember starboard made a push to dump the RSX after its debut with a one design formula - it failed. So I gather that the manufacturer of the one design kite / board has approached the ISAF and their pitch got up. Pretty simple really. It will run for a few years or not depends on wind, and then be reviewed.

Whilst it is unfortunate for guys and girls who have invested time and money into this goal, it is I'm sad to say the way sport is. Personally I think the RSX class was a step backwards from the IMCO, and maybe the ISAF agrees, who knows.

Mark _australia
WA, 22377 posts
6 May 2012 9:56PM
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DAM71 said...

Is anyone really that surprised?


I am.
Considering they have 8 classes that involves sitting on your arse in a boat, and the general public could not see the difference in ANY of them, let alone name a class in sailing, why not cancel one of those classes?
6 sailing, plus windsurfing plus kiting.

That would be a spread of styles and abilities

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
6 May 2012 11:42PM
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Longlines said...

WS is in good company. Surfing is not an Olympic sport either.

WS community now has to decide on its format and supply strategies for the next bid for Olympics and get the ISAF on side. If they can go for the simplicity of the Kite concept, why do we persist with RSX or Formula concepts?. Why not go direct to the Slalom format with manufacturers bidding to supply within a design 'box'?


too true.

imagine the launching size area

scarrgo
WA, 193 posts
7 May 2012 12:27AM
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the fin and laser are identical in everyone but the keen sailors eye, the fin should be dropped to bring back windsurfing



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