Select to expand quoteCAN17 said..azymuth said..
Yeah, I've invested a lot of time, but it's been a joy. It's another advantage of foiling, 10-35 knots, always up on the foil, gusts and lulls. Never had a bad session.
Imagine if you were always continuously planing every session on a slalom or wave board 
...I would be so much more tired.
I can easily use half as much energy foiling compaired to windsurfing allowing me to stay out MUCH longer, giving me more TOW TOF and making me MUCH better.
I know a lot of windsurfers like the feeling of slapping on the water and having the same feeling there used to(I did too).
I find it funny that we keep on saying that LT sailors are old but in freeride foiling it can be very easy on the old joints flying above the water and 100x more fun.
While still getting the same feeling of riding a wave board but more free and efficient. Sure learning can be challenging for the first few sessions, maybe that's what turns some people off from foiling?
I agree! But I'm going to have to get used to carrying the extra board weight with the foil added. My foil board is 22 pounds, plus the foil at 14 pounds on top of that. It's like transporting 2 boards to the water. Not including the mast boom and sail rigged. Will have to connect the sail to the board separately in the water, which kind of sucks, but it is what it is. A little more time assembling the foil as well, compared to finning. But, I'm sure I'll get a system down, to be as efficient as possible. Still, flying on foil in super light winds is still worth a little extra hassle of rigging.
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It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !
I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mast
Select to expand quotewindsufering said..
It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !
Is it? Aren't some people getting a wider range with one board, a smaller number of sails, and a foil?
Sail designs have changed a lot you don't need that many sails now to cover the wind spectrum
Select to expand quoteAUS 814 said..windsufering said..
It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !
I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mast
Lol so nice of you to mention the Lt
Select to expand quoteAUS 814 said..I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mastwindsufering said..
It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !
I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mast
You have made several errors. The sail is mylar laminated with dacron. The mast is carbon 40% 2 piece. I fail to see the LT price relevance to a foiling post. Many foiling compatriots have objected to LT references in this thread so surprised you would mention it here. It is however true that foiling classes are smaller fleets than non-foiling classes due to cost and complexity. Race ready course windfoiling gear will be more expensive than non-foiling course racing gear and it follows less attractive.
Is there a such thing as speed windfoiling? How fast can fast ones go?
It looks like they can go high upwind real fast...
Select to expand quoteBelly25 said..RichardG said..Belly25 said..
Is there any chance you guys can read this threads heading please. Like some of the other interesting threads this one has descended into a Foiling versus LT debate.
Please start your own thread if you want to keep that debate going.
Once again Andy, great thread and good to read so many interesting perspectives.
The title of this thread does not limit the debate over whether or not foiling has ruined windsurfing. In my opinion foiling has not ruined windsurfing but made it a richer experience as has the LT.
Then start your own thread asking if the LT has saved our sport or ruined it.
I may be wrong but I feel etiquette would dictate that you at least try and address the question stated in the thread title rather than banging on about how incredible the LT is. 9 references to the LT in your previous post comes across a bit heavy.
Lol
Select to expand quoteRichardG said..AUS 814 said..I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mastwindsufering said..
It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !
I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mast
You have made several errors. The sail is mylar laminated with dacron. The mast is carbon 40% 2 piece. I fail to see the LT price relevance to a foiling post. Many foiling compatriots have objected to LT references in this thread so surprised you would mention it here. It is however true that foiling classes are smaller fleets than non-foiling classes due to cost and complexity. Race ready course windfoiling gear will be more expensive than non-foiling course racing gear and it follows less attractive.
Wow, sorry forgot it's laminated Mylar, makes the world of difference. My point is that you can get a free ride foil and board for the price of an LT, therefore proving it's not the most expensive thing In windsurfing ??
Select to expand quoteAUS 814 said..RichardG said..AUS 814 said..I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mastwindsufering said..
It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !
I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mast
You have made several errors. The sail is mylar laminated with dacron. The mast is carbon 40% 2 piece. I fail to see the LT price relevance to a foiling post. Many foiling compatriots have objected to LT references in this thread so surprised you would mention it here. It is however true that foiling classes are smaller fleets than non-foiling classes due to cost and complexity. Race ready course windfoiling gear will be more expensive than non-foiling course racing gear and it follows less attractive.
Wow, sorry forgot it's laminated Mylar, makes the world of difference. My point is that you can get a free ride foil and board for the price of an LT, therefore proving it's not the most expensive thing In windsurfing ??
Sail, mast base , boom and 40 % carbon mast too
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It is however true that foiling classes are smaller fleets than non-foiling classes due to cost and complexity.
This claim is based on what? Hot air? Error data of GPS? Pure speculation? Fact that foiling you need to learn a new thing vs zero learning with the lt advanced technological progress....
Oops forgot this was a forum where 99% is me and mine is bigger than yours
Select to expand quoteRob11 said..This claim is based on what? Hot air? Error data of GPS? Pure speculation? RichardG said..
It is however true that foiling classes are smaller fleets than non-foiling classes due to cost and complexity.
This claim is based on what? Hot air? Error data of GPS? Pure speculation? Fact that foiling you need to learn a new thing vs zero learning with the lt advanced technological progress....
Oops forgot this was a forum where 99% is me and mine is bigger than yours
The point is illustrated simply by looking at numbers of sailing classes in any Australian national or state regatta and comparing them to each other. It is not based on hot air, GPS or other. Foiling sailing classes are great but they are not presently the most popular amongst sailing classes that are racing. Sorry to rain on the foiling parade but that is truth.
Select to expand quoteAUS 814 said..proving it's not the most expensive thing In windsurfing ??RichardG said..AUS 814 said..I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mastwindsufering said..
It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !
I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mast
You have made several errors. The sail is mylar laminated with dacron. The mast is carbon 40% 2 piece. I fail to see the LT price relevance to a foiling post. Many foiling compatriots have objected to LT references in this thread so surprised you would mention it here. It is however true that foiling classes are smaller fleets than non-foiling classes due to cost and complexity. Race ready course windfoiling gear will be more expensive than non-foiling course racing gear and it follows less attractive.
Wow, sorry forgot it's laminated Mylar, makes the world of difference. My point is that you can get a free ride foil and board for the price of an LT, therefore proving it's not the most expensive thing In windsurfing ??
I never said foiling was the most expensive thing in windsurfing. I did point out that the iQFoil will not be a cheap windsurfing option. It will cost more than the RSX , will be at least as hard to get hold of, in the immediate future, and be just as popular as a result. It may be then that people who desire to race foils cheaply will instead buy free ride foils and boards with sails and maybe race them around a course instead. They will need to develop a cheaper class leaving money in the budget to pay for sailing club memberships. If they don't develop this in sailing clubs in Australia then windfoil course racing will remain an elitist and minority calling.
Select to expand quoteAUS 814 said..RichardG said..AUS 814 said..I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mastwindsufering said..
It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !
I guess you get what you pay for. In some ways surely the LT is over priced at $2800 for epoxy hull, Dacron sail and fibreglass mast
You have made several errors. The sail is mylar laminated with dacron. The mast is carbon 40% 2 piece. I fail to see the LT price relevance to a foiling post. Many foiling compatriots have objected to LT references in this thread so surprised you would mention it here. It is however true that foiling classes are smaller fleets than non-foiling classes due to cost and complexity. Race ready course windfoiling gear will be more expensive than non-foiling course racing gear and it follows less attractive.
Wow, sorry forgot it's laminated Mylar, makes the world of difference. My point is that you can get a free ride foil and board for the price of an LT, therefore proving it's not the most expensive thing In windsurfing ??
If people want to go windfoiling, that's great. However, even if you can get a freeride foil and board for the price of an LT you can't windsurf until you buy a rig as well.
Good on those who want to spend the money on a windfoiler, though, the appeal is undeniable; I want one myself.
Select to expand quoteRob11 said..RichardG said..
It is however true that foiling classes are smaller fleets than non-foiling classes due to cost and complexity.
This claim is based on what? Hot air? Error data of GPS? Pure speculation? Fact that foiling you need to learn a new thing vs zero learning with the lt advanced technological progress....
Oops forgot this was a forum where 99% is me and mine is bigger than yours
If there's zero learning on an LT (or slalom board, wave board, RB or anything else that doesn't foil) then everyone would finish every event in a dead heat because everyone would know exactly the same techniques as everyone else. That doesn't happen because there is a LOT to learn, just as there's a lot to learn about running, swimming or other sports where technology does not change much.
Some people like to learn new things. Some people like to perfect skills they may already be developing. It's great if people like different things, but it's utterly incorrect to infer that there is nothing to learn unless there is technological change. Chess has not changed for many years but I bet you can't beat the world champion.
Foiling classes are great, but they are less popular than many non-foiling classes. If that's not due to cost and complexity then what is the cause?
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It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !
What is so expensive about it? A top of the line aluminum Foil (NP, Moses) is less or around $1000 US, add ... no sails or masts or boom because you can use your equipment. At most you need an additional board, and you can get one fro around $1200-1500, if you do not have already a board with deep tuttle. Then you are set with something that doubles your time on the water if you were a not-below-5.0 sailor.
I have friends who, at around 85-90Kg, now go around with two sails (4.0-4.8) and two boards (B&J + foil) and cover the same range I used to cover with 3 boards and 5 sails (7.3-6.5-5.8-5.0-4.3 ... actually 6 counting the 3.7, I am 72 Kg)
Select to expand quoteSea Lotus said..
Is there a such thing as speed windfoiling? How fast can fast ones go?
It looks like they can go high upwind real fast...
Top speeds are around 33-35 knots right now. What is very fast are sustained speeds ...
Select to expand quoteduzzi said..windsufering said..
It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !
What is so expensive about it? A top of the line aluminum Foil (NP, Moses) is less or around $1000 US, add ... no sails or masts or boom because you can use your equipment. At most you need an additional board, and you can get one fro around $1200-1500, if you do not have already a board with deep tuttle. Then you are set with something that doubles your time on the water if you were a not-below-5.0 sailor.
I have friends who, at around 85-90Kg, now go around with two sails (4.0-4.8) and two boards (B&J + foil) and cover the same range I used to cover with 3 boards and 5 sails (7.3-6.5-5.8-5.0-4.3 ... actually 6 counting the 3.7, I am 72 Kg)
That's great ,you don't need six sets of sails anymore, wind foiling has made windsurfing less expensive !
im sure the reduction of equipment will attract more peeps into windsurfing
Select to expand quotewindsufering said..duzzi said..windsufering said..
It's the most expensive thing that's happened to windsurfing !
What is so expensive about it? A top of the line aluminum Foil (NP, Moses) is less or around $1000 US, add ... no sails or masts or boom because you can use your equipment. At most you need an additional board, and you can get one fro around $1200-1500, if you do not have already a board with deep tuttle. Then you are set with something that doubles your time on the water if you were a not-below-5.0 sailor.
I have friends who, at around 85-90Kg, now go around with two sails (4.0-4.8) and two boards (B&J + foil) and cover the same range I used to cover with 3 boards and 5 sails (7.3-6.5-5.8-5.0-4.3 ... actually 6 counting the 3.7, I am 72 Kg)
That's great ,you don't need six sets of sails anymore, wind foiling has made windsurfing less expensive !
im sure the reduction of equipment will attract more peeps into windsurfing
Glad you have finally seen the light
Yep, you don't need to change your sail with every increase of 5 knots when you have a foil !
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Yep, you don't need to change your sail with every increase of 5 knots when you have a foil !
That's correct
As the OP it's so good to see this thread bought back to life just before Christmas. I enjoyed all the spin off threads too. I am stuck with the extended family away from any hope of foiling or even the chance of a ride on a borrowed LT. My only escape is a few minutes to read seabreeze posts. Please keep the posts coming through the Christmas break.
Merry Christmas to everyone and please be nice to each other.
"There's not too many entirely new sensations you get to experience in one lifetime, and it has to be said that foiling certainly falls into this category. I'm aware I'm at the absolute entry level, but it parallels when I first learnt how to windsurf. "I'm really excited just by going along in a straight line." The frictionless sensation whilst being elevated is such a cool feeling. Especially when you're flying along in 12 knots of wind doing 20 knots. And this is with a 5.0 wave sail with little to no pull on your arms. After a whole lifetime of windsurfing, it's all brand new again.
Then there's gybing. It's a totally new skill set that needs to be learnt. I'm an absolute kook again and it feels awesome. Looking back, it's like when I got my first short board when I was a kid. Clear as a bell I can remember the joy I got from flying across the Swan River on my first short board, stepping down from a Windsurfer One Design. Windsurfing was new again and it parallels once again what's happening here. "
- Scott McKercher
www.windsurf.co.uk/scott-mckercher-back-future/
Select to expand quotePaducah said..
"There's not too many entirely new sensations you get to experience in one lifetime, and it has to be said that foiling certainly falls into this category. I'm aware I'm at the absolute entry level, but it parallels when I first learnt how to windsurf. "I'm really excited just by going along in a straight line." The frictionless sensation whilst being elevated is such a cool feeling. Especially when you're flying along in 12 knots of wind doing 20 knots. And this is with a 5.0 wave sail with little to no pull on your arms. After a whole lifetime of windsurfing, it's all brand new again.
Then there's gybing. It's a totally new skill set that needs to be learnt. I'm an absolute kook again and it feels awesome. Looking back, it's like when I got my first short board when I was a kid. Clear as a bell I can remember the joy I got from flying across the Swan River on my first short board, stepping down from a Windsurfer One Design. Windsurfing was new again and it parallels once again what's happening here. "
- Scott McKercher
www.windsurf.co.uk/scott-mckercher-back-future/
A mention of that longboard's parentage. I thought foilers did not want to mention these taboo craft here. Anyway foiling is great and a new way of flying on the water. Only a foiler knows the feeling. David Ezzy says once you try foiling you will give up the longboards. Having tried foiling, I don't think I could give up longboards yet and I think the foiling gear and longboards can co-exist separately in a quiver. Foiling is definitely a great thrill.
Since I started foiling I've gone longboarding maybe 4 times, foiled probably 250-300 hours.
Select to expand quoteRichardG said..Paducah said..
"There's not too many entirely new sensations you get to experience in one lifetime, and it has to be said that foiling certainly falls into this category. I'm aware I'm at the absolute entry level, but it parallels when I first learnt how to windsurf. "I'm really excited just by going along in a straight line." The frictionless sensation whilst being elevated is such a cool feeling. Especially when you're flying along in 12 knots of wind doing 20 knots. And this is with a 5.0 wave sail with little to no pull on your arms. After a whole lifetime of windsurfing, it's all brand new again.
Then there's gybing. It's a totally new skill set that needs to be learnt. I'm an absolute kook again and it feels awesome. Looking back, it's like when I got my first short board when I was a kid. Clear as a bell I can remember the joy I got from flying across the Swan River on my first short board, stepping down from a Windsurfer One Design. Windsurfing was new again and it parallels once again what's happening here. "
- Scott McKercher
www.windsurf.co.uk/scott-mckercher-back-future/
A mention of that longboard's parentage. I thought foilers did not want to mention these taboo craft here. Anyway foiling is great and a new way of flying on the water. Only a foiler knows the feeling. David Ezzy says once you try foiling you will give up the longboards. Having tried foiling, I don't think I could give up longboards yet and I think the foiling gear and longboards can co-exist separately in a quiver. Foiling is definitely a great thrill.
I was quoting someone else who summed up a sentiment rather well that many of us feel. These are his feelings and experiences. The bold is yours, not his.
I never said that anyone should give up longboards nor did the gentleman I quoted. I have three sitting in my garage: two raceboards and a transitional. You are, again, assuming things I have never said.
Select to expand quoteMaddlad said..
So in short, the answer we are looking for after 5 pages is...
yes.
Not quite. If you like going fast at 135 degrees off the wind, in a rolling ocean swell, as you occasionally find in certain locations...Corrimal for instance,( I'm sure there are others ) (sorry reliving the glory days now) then you can't beat windsurfing on a slapper.
One thing that has been ruined is the flat water gybe. Let's face it we all spent decades, with varying success, trying for the "perfect gybe" where you go in at 31 knots and come out at maybe 13 knots. (31^2 - 13^2 = lost 82% of kinetic energy). Was it worth it?
it's just another awesome part of windsurfing which gives ya more time on water and amazing experiences 
