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Is the LT the best thing that ever happened to windsurfing? Or has it ruined it?

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Created by Ant-man > 9 months ago, 22 Nov 2019
RichardG
WA, 3747 posts
21 Aug 2020 7:48AM
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^^^^ I hope you are right and lots of kids dont start kiting, the less kiters or polers on the water the better I reckon.
As for the dangers, there are waaaay more sailing deaths than kiting deaths. Not sure why you keep comparing it to kiting though as they are totally different, ones sailing the others more wakeboarding/surfing.
110 kiters in 10 years world wide compared to 271 sailors in 10 years in just the USA alone let alone the rest of the world
WOW, you sailors are a risky dangerous bunch lol
Get your kids into football, way less deaths and safer than sailing.

More Deaths from Sailing than Football >>

www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2016/04/04/study-finds-more-deaths...



4/4/2016 ? During the 11-year study period, 271 deaths were related to sailing versus the 197 incidents of American football players who died during play or practice.



This study also confirms during the study period, no one has ever been killed sailing a Windsurfer LT !

Chris 249
NSW, 3303 posts
21 Aug 2020 10:31AM
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The LT is not designed for the kids or juniors, they cant even carry a beast like that from off the boat trailer 10m to the water by themselves let alone carry one walking to the beach or on their bike or bus.
I guess thats why all the young ins are all now going towards the windsurfing evolution of windwinging, which is more aimed about having fun on the water, instead of the old sailing club competitions and racing style the last generation seemed to think was the main attraction.


Wrong. Our youngest was carrying her OD to the water when she was about 11, and although she was strong she was also quite slender and small for her size.

There's more kids in Australia who are sailing at clubs than with kites or wings, so it's still the main attraction.

Gestalt
QLD, 14376 posts
21 Aug 2020 10:36AM
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The LT is not designed for the kids or juniors, they cant even carry a beast like that from off the boat trailer 10m to the water by themselves let alone carry one walking to the beach or on their bike or bus.
I guess thats why all the young ins are all now going towards the windsurfing evolution of windwinging, which is more aimed about having fun on the water, instead of the old sailing club competitions and racing style the last generation seemed to think was the main attraction.




it's more the rig that's not designed for kids. which was my point earlier and why kids are leaning to the shortboard pro rigs.

the clubs do play a big part in getting kids on the water but get a disproportionate airing on Seabreeze by a few that are single minded on the subject.

but in context there are many people using windsurfer class boards that have absolutely no interest in course racing. speaking from my own experience the kids in qld don't really want to compete weekend after weekend at sailing clubs with uptight people that have no interest in kids racing. sure they are up for big regattas and fun races but that's not what they like about the class. they like it because it's fun being on the water.

they like the gear for cruising around on the weekend, doing freestyle on or going on adventures on the water. my 12 year old said once on the water in light winds how peaceful he felt cruising around. they love the contact they get with wildlife on the water or the satisfaction of sailing out to an island for an adventure or hitting some swell in the ocean. the adrenalin from punching into the wind.

we haven't been on short boards in months. the wind just aint that great this time of year. without longboards we/he would not be windsurfing.

Chris 249
NSW, 3303 posts
21 Aug 2020 10:56AM
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AUS126 said..

lotofwind said..
The LT is not designed for the kids or juniors, they cant even carry a beast like that from off the boat trailer 10m to the water by themselves let alone carry one walking to the beach or on their bike or bus.
I guess thats why all the young ins are all now going towards the windsurfing evolution of windwinging, which is more aimed about having fun on the water, instead of the old sailing club competitions and racing style the last generation seemed to think was the main attraction.



This lotowind fella might be a **** stirer but he is actually quite observent and seems to know what's going on.


Are the young sailors getting into windwinging?

Chris 249
NSW, 3303 posts
21 Aug 2020 11:48AM
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lotofwind said..
The LT is not designed for the kids or juniors, they cant even carry a beast like that from off the boat trailer 10m to the water by themselves let alone carry one walking to the beach or on their bike or bus.
I guess thats why all the young ins are all now going towards the windsurfing evolution of windwinging, which is more aimed about having fun on the water, instead of the old sailing club competitions and racing style the last generation seemed to think was the main attraction.





it's more the rig that's not designed for kids. which was my point earlier and why kids are leaning to the shortboard pro rigs.

the clubs do play a big part in getting kids on the water but get a disproportionate airing on Seabreeze by a few that are single minded on the subject.

but in context there are many people using windsurfer class boards that have absolutely no interest in course racing. speaking from my own experience the kids in qld don't really want to compete weekend after weekend at sailing clubs with uptight people that have no interest in kids racing. sure they are up for big regattas and fun races but that's not what they like about the class. they like it because it's fun being on the water.

they like the gear for cruising around on the weekend, doing freestyle on or going on adventures on the water. my 12 year old said once on the water in light winds how peaceful he felt cruising around. they love the contact they get with wildlife on the water or the satisfaction of sailing out to an island for an adventure or hitting some swell in the ocean. the adrenalin from punching into the wind.

we haven't been on short boards in months. the wind just aint that great this time of year. without longboards we/he would not be windsurfing.


Great stuff. For most of the time, course racing and clubs have been a minority interest even along One Designers, and that's fine. Cruising and just messing around are awesome.

There's not many uptight people at clubs, by the way.

Chris 249
NSW, 3303 posts
21 Aug 2020 12:00PM
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^^^^ I hope you are right and lots of kids dont start kiting, the less kiters or polers on the water the better I reckon.
As for the dangers, there are waaaay more sailing deaths than kiting deaths. Not sure why you keep comparing it to kiting though as they are totally different, ones sailing the others more wakeboarding/surfing.
110 kiters in 10 years world wide compared to 271 sailors in 10 years in just the USA alone let alone the rest of the world
WOW, you sailors are a risky dangerous bunch lol
Get your kids into football, way less deaths and safer than sailing.

More Deaths from Sailing than Football >>

www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2016/04/04/study-finds-more-deaths...


4/4/2016 ? During the 11-year study period, 271 deaths were related to sailing versus the 197 incidents of American football players who died during play or practice.



There's vastly more sailors in the USA than kitesurfers, so it's illogical to just compare the basic numbers.

Capsizing kills a high number of small-boat sailors in the USA but very few in Australia and many other countries because many of the most popular US boats are very old designs that the crew cannot re-right and empty easily, like Lightnings, Flying Scots and Thistles. Kids in Australia sail very different boats.

The biggest number of deaths were drunks on yachts, which has no relevance at all to kids at clubs on dinghies.

The US study includes ocean racing, which is not what we're talking about kids doing with their dinghies.

Gestalt
QLD, 14376 posts
21 Aug 2020 12:48PM
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Chris 249 said..

Gestalt said..


lotofwind said..
The LT is not designed for the kids or juniors, they cant even carry a beast like that from off the boat trailer 10m to the water by themselves let alone carry one walking to the beach or on their bike or bus.
I guess thats why all the young ins are all now going towards the windsurfing evolution of windwinging, which is more aimed about having fun on the water, instead of the old sailing club competitions and racing style the last generation seemed to think was the main attraction.






it's more the rig that's not designed for kids. which was my point earlier and why kids are leaning to the shortboard pro rigs.

the clubs do play a big part in getting kids on the water but get a disproportionate airing on Seabreeze by a few that are single minded on the subject.

but in context there are many people using windsurfer class boards that have absolutely no interest in course racing. speaking from my own experience the kids in qld don't really want to compete weekend after weekend at sailing clubs with uptight people that have no interest in kids racing. sure they are up for big regattas and fun races but that's not what they like about the class. they like it because it's fun being on the water.

they like the gear for cruising around on the weekend, doing freestyle on or going on adventures on the water. my 12 year old said once on the water in light winds how peaceful he felt cruising around. they love the contact they get with wildlife on the water or the satisfaction of sailing out to an island for an adventure or hitting some swell in the ocean. the adrenalin from punching into the wind.

we haven't been on short boards in months. the wind just aint that great this time of year. without longboards we/he would not be windsurfing.



Great stuff. For most of the time, course racing and clubs have been a minority interest even along One Designers, and that's fine. Cruising and just messing around are awesome.

There's not many uptight people at clubs, by the way.


i know. especially not the qld LT crew.

seabreeze brings out the best in people hey.

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
21 Aug 2020 4:01PM
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If a kid can't handle a 4.5 Wally sail he can use what ever rig he wants in Victoria.
What you do in QLD and NSW it's your business
We teach kids to windsurf and one of them is going to the Olympics too !

AUS 814
NSW, 452 posts
21 Aug 2020 5:35PM
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If a kid can't handle a 4.5 Wally sail he can use what ever rig he wants in Victoria.
What you do in QLD and NSW it's your business
We teach kids to windsurf and one of them is going to the Olympics too !



Which one ?

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
21 Aug 2020 6:34PM
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AUS 814 said..

windsufering said..
If a kid can't handle a 4.5 Wally sail he can use what ever rig he wants in Victoria.
What you do in QLD and NSW it's your business
We teach kids to windsurf and one of them is going to the Olympics too !




Which one ?


Fx

Gestalt
QLD, 14376 posts
21 Aug 2020 6:51PM
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AUS 814 said..




windsufering said..
If a kid can't handle a 4.5 Wally sail he can use what ever rig he wants in Victoria.
What you do in QLD and NSW it's your business
We teach kids to windsurf and one of them is going to the Olympics too !







Which one ?





Fx




great news, who and what age?

RichardG
WA, 3747 posts
21 Aug 2020 5:14PM
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windsufering said..

















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windsufering said..
If a kid can't handle a 4.5 Wally sail he can use what ever rig he wants in Victoria.
What you do in QLD and NSW it's your business
We teach kids to windsurf and one of them is going to the Olympics too !





















Which one ?



















Fx


















great news, who and what age?






As usual there is no Australian in either the RSX for men or women for Tokyo. To qualify for the Team, sailors or crews must achieve a top 10 placing at the World Championships in their class, or have the potential to do so within two years. The RSX guys and girls did not meet the test, unless I have missed it. If we had the LT as the Olympic class we would have either Nick Bez or Tim Gourlay as gold medal chances. Australians are tops in LT. Jessica Crisp could probably win the gold in the LT for women. What shame. Anyway foiling will be a new era, new dimension and attract new sailors and medal chances globally, might be even more competitive than RSX. Will Aussies be able to be in the top 10 and meet the standards. ? I hope so its been a while between drinks for us: Why is this so? Since Bruce Wylie's Windsurfer class demo gold in LA in 1984, Greg Hyde's sixth in Los Angeles, 1984 winning the last race, in Windglider. Brad Hiles of WA would have won in '88 but he was not sent. Then Lars Kleppich got a bronze in Barcelona in 1992 in the Lechner- Australian sailing are so disdainful of windsurfing they even referred to that as a Mistral, sad really. Then again they refer to WA late top sailor Rolly Tasker's gold in 1956 as in 12 metre when they meant 12 m2 Sharpie ! I guess they are not sharp on website editing.

www.australiansailingteam.com.au/australian-team/australian-sailing-team/

www.australiansailingteam.com.au/australian-team/australian-sailing-squad/

Gestalt
QLD, 14376 posts
21 Aug 2020 7:22PM
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RichardG said..

Gestalt said..




windsufering said..







AUS 814 said..








windsufering said..
If a kid can't handle a 4.5 Wally sail he can use what ever rig he wants in Victoria.
What you do in QLD and NSW it's your business
We teach kids to windsurf and one of them is going to the Olympics too !











Which one ?









Fx








great news, who and what age?






As usual there is no Australian in either the RSX for men or women for Tokyo. To qualify for the Team, sailors or crews must achieve a top 10 placing at the World Championships in their class, or have the potential to do so within two years. The RSX guys and girls did not meet the test, unless I have missed it. If we had the LT as the Olympic class we would have either Nick Bez or Tim Gourlay as gold medal chances. Australians are tops in LT.

www.australiansailingteam.com.au/australian-team/australian-sailing-team/

www.australiansailingteam.com.au/australian-team/australian-sailing-squad/


yeah i know

i'm waiting for Windsufering to back up his comments.

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
21 Aug 2020 8:36PM
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You guys can't work it out.
LOL
if Chris 249 can tell me how he taught a guy and a girl how to windsurf and they went on to great things .
i can too .
Work it out 49 fx two ladies , skipper from Vic.

AUS 814
NSW, 452 posts
21 Aug 2020 8:48PM
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windsufering said..
You guys can't work it out.
LOL
if Chris 249 can tell me how he taught a guy and a girl how to windsurf and they went on to great things .
i can too .
Work it out 49 fx two ladies , skipper from Vic.



Outstanding as per usual

AUS 814
NSW, 452 posts
21 Aug 2020 8:48PM
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windsufering said..
You guys can't work it out.
LOL
if Chris 249 can tell me how he taught a guy and a girl how to windsurf and they went on to great things .
i can too .
Work it out 49 fx two ladies , skipper from Vic.



Outstanding as per usual

Gestalt
QLD, 14376 posts
21 Aug 2020 9:50PM
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windsufering said..
You guys can't work it out.
LOL
if Chris 249 can tell me how he taught a guy and a girl how to windsurf and they went on to great things .
i can too .
Work it out 49 fx two ladies , skipper from Vic.





you're an idiot. you talk **** and say whatever to make yourself look good.

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
21 Aug 2020 9:54PM
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Not very nice

Chris 249
NSW, 3303 posts
21 Aug 2020 10:16PM
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windsufering said..
You guys can't work it out.
LOL
if Chris 249 can tell me how he taught a guy and a girl how to windsurf and they went on to great things .
i can too .
Work it out 49 fx two ladies , skipper from Vic.




Actually, only one of the kids I taught went on to "great things" in the sport competitively, and that was before the Junior class was created and mostly the work of other coaches. I taught plenty of people and ran the Junior class that the kids raced in, but most of the top kids were actually taught by their families. My interest is in getting more people into windsurfing rather than developing a few of them into champions, NTTAWWT.

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
21 Aug 2020 10:19PM
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Cheers

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
21 Aug 2020 10:20PM
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Hopefully these kids will keep on windsurfing !
skinny boom and mast aerotech sail

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
21 Aug 2020 10:36PM
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MatStirl
TAS, 136 posts
22 Aug 2020 7:17AM
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Surely we haven't got so PC that we need to block out faces in a group picture.
Anyone windsurfing is good. Anyone encouraging them is even better.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
22 Aug 2020 7:01PM
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True, but that last pic from windsuferings personnel home photos the kids are naked. But then again he has trained many juniors to be Olympic champions.
Na, just joking. The real reason is it was the kids that asked him to not show their true identity to avoid embarrassment and bashings at school for LT sailing.

Mark _australia
WA, 22285 posts
22 Aug 2020 6:08PM
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MatStirl said.. Surely we haven't got so PC that we need to block out faces in a group picture.
Anyone windsurfing is good. Anyone encouraging them is even better.


He probably does it due to the weirdo stalker here.

Imax1
QLD, 4646 posts
24 Aug 2020 5:01PM
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Mark _australia said..

MatStirl said.. Surely we haven't got so PC that we need to block out faces in a group picture.
Anyone windsurfing is good. Anyone encouraging them is even better.



He probably does it due to the weirdo stalker here.


The ,
only one ?

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
24 Aug 2020 5:07PM
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LOL^^

brynoz
QLD, 177 posts
27 Aug 2020 11:14AM
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Hi Folks,

Just received my new centerboard after some time waiting as my new board came without one. First sail with new centreboard and it has cracked the casing. The new centreboard has hard plastic fins on the top which when retracted (board down) hits the casing. Nothing stops this happening, in which case, no rubber on centerboard or backstop in casing to stop it hitting deck. I am trying to get some new plates under warranty and then will need to come up with rubber/foam pad for back of centerboard so it doesn't happen again. Or is their something wrong with my new centerboard or case for this to happen.



Hardcarve1
QLD, 548 posts
27 Aug 2020 11:33AM
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Are you referring to the dent? If so mine has that but doesn't worry me. You could just trim the white rubber back to clear. Or open up the black rubber strip covers on the base of the board and glue a rubber strip where the extended centre board meets the board which will take the centre board rake back a little.

brynoz
QLD, 177 posts
27 Aug 2020 12:16PM
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Harcarve1 thanks for the input. What are you talking about?. It's no dent it has cracked the outer layer of the case and it's gone.

It have no white rubber on centerboard This new centerboard type that is being supplied is rock hard plastic top???
The only way to stop the centerboard racking back I see is to remove the side plates and adhesive a stopping point there so the center board doesn't rack back onto the plate??? What black rubber strip??



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