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Lüderitz Speed Challenge

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Created by seanhogan > 9 months ago, 1 Nov 2012
beatlloydy
NSW, 133 posts
14 Nov 2012 10:33PM
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WAsnt the record but still pretty dang fast

sailquik
VIC, 6089 posts
14 Nov 2012 10:43PM
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Hmmm........ Have a closer look. Pretty sure it is.

- the boom goes under the cutaway in the tail.
- the footpads are the same
- see the fin bolts in front of the back strap.

I am very impressed!

Whoever designed that tandem really knows what they are doing, and the things I am referring to are not obvious unless either direct experience, very deep thinking, or both are involved. I'd like to know more about the history behind it.

It does not appear to be very small. It has a lot of volume and width for a speed tandem. Not necessarily a bad thing at all. It would certainly make it more user friendly for a couple of extra large men like AA and CB. It appears to be quite short though.

Looking at it I am surprised that AA and CB didn't crack 40 knots on it. I guess it was the first run they made and maybe the only one so far. If they have a good crack at it I would be very surprised if they don't get into at least the low 40's

seanhogan
QLD, 3424 posts
14 Nov 2012 9:50PM
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baby bjorn is born, we might see another fast man on the water

Kimba
SA, 453 posts
14 Nov 2012 10:25PM
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tobhed said...
Kimba said...
Interesting tail on what might be AA's record board...53.14 2s peak





The board in the Picture is the tandemboard, not the one he used when he smashed 50 knots... http://www.windsurfingafrica.org/Photos/tabid/1608/galleryType/SlideShow/ItemID/5823/Default.aspx



Well spotted. When I glanced at the pic it looked like some folded stainless and pins but now I look closer it is dripping water, harness lines and reflections. I thought it might have been a mechanism to adjust the cant of the fin...

tobhed
SA, 12 posts
15 Nov 2012 12:15AM
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Tail of the board



tobhed
SA, 12 posts
15 Nov 2012 12:16AM
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Loads of pics of the tandem in this link

http://www.windsurfingafrica.org/Photos/tabid/1608/AlbumID/663-384/Default.aspx

DanP
VIC, 286 posts
15 Nov 2012 10:31AM
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Video of the tandem from Facebook - www.facebook.com/luderitzspeedchallenge/videos/10200091644759778/

seanhogan
QLD, 3424 posts
15 Nov 2012 6:02PM
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www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200095813263988

Lessacher
89 posts
15 Nov 2012 4:31PM
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Hallo Sailquick.You remember? For your tandem Rake 30° 25cm in US. Now , for Lüderitz came Chris Benz (Christian Benzing) a 20years old needle ,28cm with US. 18cm Rake 30°. Now I wait.Christian Bornemann,Dieter Gerichhausen give their best. They use
my fins 18 20 and 22cm. The 17 years old record from Jochen Krauth is broken by
Christian Bornemann. They changed 7 times .Now is Christian Bornemann in front.45,57 kots. Patrik Diethelm got 4 fins from me. 17 18 19 and 20cm Rake 30°.
He said,I have many fins from.................... If he my fins use? I cannot say.
I saw that Matthias Röttcher used a fin from me,the 20cm Rake 30° and a board from
Patrik. He made 46,94 knots. May be that Patik comes on the idea to use my fins?
I cannot say,I can only wait. My 50 knots man,Thomas Döblin works in his job,
not enough money for Lüderitz. So he wait for wind in Vollerwiek. Wolfgang





beatlloydy
NSW, 133 posts
15 Nov 2012 11:57PM
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What are the rules about aerodynamic clothing etc....in skiing/cycling they wear speedsuits that are one piece lycra and also aerodynamic helmets...not sure if this could help but if they are talking .1knot or so as being the difference between a winning or losing time, perhaps so...even leg shaving?

I guess most of the person is covered from the wind by the sail but would there be any drag associated with the human form which could be eliminated?

This stuff could also help but imagine they are across all this technology already

http://www.surfstitch.com/product/nanotune-diy-board-tuning-kit-white

izaak
TAS, 1972 posts
16 Nov 2012 10:33AM
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Winds are expected to pump in over the weekend and into mid next week, coarse should be a lot quicker. I can see the past records being smashed if all goes to plan. Here is what Jurjen posted....

'Speed Canal will be a lot faster later this week, they have moved the starting & finish line about 20 meters, this will give a much higher entry speed at the entry point.'

Also a video from his page...www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn



izaak
TAS, 1972 posts
16 Nov 2012 10:59AM
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AUS-057
QLD, 466 posts
16 Nov 2012 10:44AM
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Very interesting to see Ander's sail looking a lot flatter in the bottom third than AA's NP Evo5. Might be just the angle?

stringer
WA, 703 posts
16 Nov 2012 9:51AM
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also interesting is the mast base positions both bang in the centre, maybe the baords are designed such that the flat-water-speed-sweet-spot is right in the middle of the mast track, but don't you usually move it forward when the water is super flat but windy?

yoyo
WA, 1646 posts
16 Nov 2012 10:54AM
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Read elsewhere that Anders didn't get a mast when he got his new Evo 5s so tried a Simmer mast up the NP (Zara's or Farrel's no doubt) but found it didn't work at all. Later he was able to borrow an X9. Maybe the photo is of it set with the simmer mast. The photos of him on the canal show it much fuller.

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
16 Nov 2012 1:18PM
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Great vid that Izaak posted link to just before.

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Kimba
SA, 453 posts
16 Nov 2012 2:03PM
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Katapult said...
Very interesting to see Ander's sail looking a lot flatter in the bottom third than AA's NP Evo5. Might be just the angle?


Anders used the 5.8 which is the smallest slalom sail(flatter entry), Antoine switched to the 5.5 just before his fast run which is the new dedicated speed sail(along with a 5.0) so it probably has more knuckle or forward shaping for speed deep off the wind.

AUS1111
WA, 3619 posts
16 Nov 2012 2:00PM
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beatlloydy said...
What are the rules about aerodynamic clothing etc....in skiing/cycling they wear speedsuits that are one piece lycra and also aerodynamic helmets...not sure if this could help but if they are talking .1knot or so as being the difference between a winning or losing time, perhaps so...even leg shaving?

I guess most of the person is covered from the wind by the sail but would there be any drag associated with the human form which could be eliminated?

This stuff could also help but imagine they are across all this technology already

http://www.surfstitch.com/product/nanotune-diy-board-tuning-kit-white


Ice-sailors are hitting 58 knots with similar rigs to ours, which suggests that whatever is keeping us (windsurfers) from that speed is likely to be under our feet rather than wrapped around our body or in our hands.

seanhogan
QLD, 3424 posts
16 Nov 2012 8:29PM
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for the last 2 days A², AB and Cédric Bordes have been working on the canal with the organizers to make the run better, next three days are going to be epic !!!

choco
SA, 4027 posts
16 Nov 2012 9:16PM
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AUS1111 said...
beatlloydy said...
What are the rules about aerodynamic clothing etc....in skiing/cycling they wear speedsuits that are one piece lycra and also aerodynamic helmets...not sure if this could help but if they are talking .1knot or so as being the difference between a winning or losing time, perhaps so...even leg shaving?

I guess most of the person is covered from the wind by the sail but would there be any drag associated with the human form which could be eliminated?

This stuff could also help but imagine they are across all this technology already

http://www.surfstitch.com/product/nanotune-diy-board-tuning-kit-white


Ice-sailors are hitting 58 knots with similar rigs to ours, which suggests that whatever is keeping us (windsurfers) from that speed is likely to be under our feet rather than wrapped around our body or in our hands.


friction

izaak
TAS, 1972 posts
17 Nov 2012 9:01AM
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Still some good speeds from yesterday, so its looking epic when they start late tonight.

choco
SA, 4027 posts
17 Nov 2012 10:13AM
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Gee A2's a gorilla checkout the size of his shoulders

AUS1111
WA, 3619 posts
17 Nov 2012 8:56AM
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choco said...
Gee A2's a gorilla checkout the size of his shoulders




Is he wearing a weight jacket under the t-shirt?

keef
NSW, 2016 posts
17 Nov 2012 2:41PM
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i want a pair of sunglasses like the guy in the green shirt

seanhogan
QLD, 3424 posts
17 Nov 2012 1:53PM
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choco said...
Gee A2's a gorilla checkout the size of his shoulders




you don't win 20 world titles if you're built like a shrimp....

He is indeed massive.....

sailquik
VIC, 6089 posts
17 Nov 2012 3:19PM
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AUS1111 said...
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choco said...
Gee A2's a gorilla checkout the size of his shoulders


Is he wearing a weight jacket under the t-shirt?




Yes, but it is built into his body!

I've got one too, but mine is just a bit lower...

Stuthepirate
SA, 3589 posts
17 Nov 2012 3:18PM
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choco said...
Gee A2's a gorilla checkout the size of his shoulders



I can't see him, he must be behind that Sea Container Door - Oh wait...

{edit} It's so dangerous there it looks like they've got the X-men's Cyclops there for protection

izaak
TAS, 1972 posts
17 Nov 2012 10:51PM
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The speeds are starting to come in. Allready another new record and a lot if guys closing in on 50!! Big day ahead.

izaak
TAS, 1972 posts
17 Nov 2012 11:09PM
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A2, now up to 50.78!! I can see 51-52's by the end if the day. Wind allready above 40knots.

izaak
TAS, 1972 posts
17 Nov 2012 11:11PM
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AB- 50.62!



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