Select to expand quoteWindoc said..
Finally got a session on the HA680. 935 mast, 50 fuse, Speed 180, red shim, KT Dragonfly 7.7, 4m KT DD. Wind was light initially, maybe 12 knots inside and later on 20 on the outside. Windswell of 1-3', so nothing to write home about. What the hell; this foil gets up easily, turns great, pumps well, and has stupidly low stall speed and good top end without any sketchiness. Really enjoyed riding this foil! Best 3 second speed of just over 25 knots and one run of 28 knots high speed (there's more on tap for sure). Great speed range. Can't call this foil slow but the ease of use and ability to nurse low speed turns while remaining on foil is excellent even at 90 kilos. Much better pitch stability than the 725 and you can turn very, very hard without it doing anything unexpected. Looking forward to spending more time on it! I wouldn't be afraid to get the 580 at all if I was a little lighter; it'll be a ripper. The new HAs seem to love operating in their middle power band but will happily go faster or slower without getting weird.
I am 88kg, got 580 and 780.loving both. Need for testing with both of them but my fear that the 580 was only for nuking days is gone and the 780 I can use with less wind than the 925. Both very user friendly, definitely feel slower than 725 but you can push them a lot more. Stall speed, even with 580 is ridiculous
935 mast, 50 fuse, shopped 195 to 140 and 60l board
Select to expand quotebolocom said..
I am 88kg, got 580 and 780.loving both. Need for testing with both of them but my fear that the 580 was only for nuking days is gone and the 780 I can use with less wind than the 925. Both very user friendly, definitely feel slower than 725 but you can push them a lot more. Stall speed, even with 580 is ridiculous
935 mast, 50 fuse, shopped 195 to 140 and 60l board
Yeah, I can see now that the 580 would also have been a great small foil option. I rode the 680/speed tail in winds gusting to 40 knots yesterday with large, breaking wind swell and it handled everything incredibly well even on the 50 fuse (I expected more twitchy pitch response). I was eventually able to relax on steep drops as the foil was so predictable and smooth. I did have the feeling that it wanted to stay at the pace of the wave rather than really accelerate though. Part of me wanted more speed from it, but it also made for better turning. Powered by a wing though, it's plenty quick. So far so good for initial impressions. Need to try the Dart on it.
Quick update, had several goes with the 780. From overpowered 25+ knots to today, 20 when I went out with a 4m wing and dropped to 10 to 15 and big holes. Was able to stay on foil the whole time, ta king with almost no wind. I am super impressed with these wings. But definitely go smaller than what you are thinking. 780 is faster and better than the 925 in every way and has more lift. The stall speed is hard to describe, close to the old 1850. In Sydney I only need these 2 foils. The 780 is a quiver killer, works amazing from 10 to 25 probably 30. But once the wind is over 18, the 580 is a weapon, but still user friendly. More lift and ease of use than the 725. I love finally carrying less gear. 2 foils from now on.
Select to expand quotebolocom said..
Quick update, had several goes with the 780. From overpowered 25+ knots to today, 20 when I went out with a 4m wing and dropped to 10 to 15 and big holes. Was able to stay on foil the whole time, ta king with almost no wind. I am super impressed with these wings. But definitely go smaller than what you are thinking. 780 is faster and better than the 925 in every way and has more lift. The stall speed is hard to describe, close to the old 1850. In Sydney I only need these 2 foils. The 780 is a quiver killer, works amazing from 10 to 25 probably 30. But once the wind is over 18, the 580 is a weapon, but still user friendly. More lift and ease of use than the 725. I love finally carrying less gear. 2 foils from now on.
what you weigh and what board ?
a very positive test at the German Gleiten.tv.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..bolocom said..
Quick update, had several goes with the 780. From overpowered 25+ knots to today, 20 when I went out with a 4m wing and dropped to 10 to 15 and big holes. Was able to stay on foil the whole time, ta king with almost no wind. I am super impressed with these wings. But definitely go smaller than what you are thinking. 780 is faster and better than the 925 in every way and has more lift. The stall speed is hard to describe, close to the old 1850. In Sydney I only need these 2 foils. The 780 is a quiver killer, works amazing from 10 to 25 probably 30. But once the wind is over 18, the 580 is a weapon, but still user friendly. More lift and ease of use than the 725. I love finally carrying less gear. 2 foils from now on.
what you weigh and what board ?
88kg, 60l board, 935 mast, 50 fuse, chopped 195 tail to 140 no shims
Select to expand quotebolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..
Quick update, had several goes with the 780. From overpowered 25+ knots to today, 20 when I went out with a 4m wing and dropped to 10 to 15 and big holes. Was able to stay on foil the whole time, ta king with almost no wind. I am super impressed with these wings. But definitely go smaller than what you are thinking. 780 is faster and better than the 925 in every way and has more lift. The stall speed is hard to describe, close to the old 1850. In Sydney I only need these 2 foils. The 780 is a quiver killer, works amazing from 10 to 25 probably 30. But once the wind is over 18, the 580 is a weapon, but still user friendly. More lift and ease of use than the 725. I love finally carrying less gear. 2 foils from now on.
what you weigh and what board ?
88kg, 60l board, 935 mast, 50 fuse, chopped 195 tail to 140 no shims
that's impressive on a 780 at that weight and that board in those winds.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..bolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..
Quick update, had several goes with the 780. From overpowered 25+ knots to today, 20 when I went out with a 4m wing and dropped to 10 to 15 and big holes. Was able to stay on foil the whole time, ta king with almost no wind. I am super impressed with these wings. But definitely go smaller than what you are thinking. 780 is faster and better than the 925 in every way and has more lift. The stall speed is hard to describe, close to the old 1850. In Sydney I only need these 2 foils. The 780 is a quiver killer, works amazing from 10 to 25 probably 30. But once the wind is over 18, the 580 is a weapon, but still user friendly. More lift and ease of use than the 725. I love finally carrying less gear. 2 foils from now on.
what you weigh and what board ?
88kg, 60l board, 935 mast, 50 fuse, chopped 195 tail to 140 no shims
that's impressive on a 780 at that weight and that board in those winds.
I know.really amazing. I was going to keep the 925 for lighter winds but no need. Very happy to reduce my quiver to 2 foils
Just got off the water with 580 in some big open ocean swell (3-4 meter) coming into reef and forming up with 2-3 meter breaking peaks with some walls. The wind was around 10-15 knots with some stronger gusts, I was riding my 69L board (I'm 80kg) and an Ezzy 5.5. Just as I had hoped, the 580 was easy to get on foil and just stellar in the bigger conditions. It has the same thing going that I loved so much about the 525 in that it never felt like it was going to foil out, even on steep fast drops. Unlike the 525, it does this with pitch stability and a very remarkably low stall speed. There were points where I was almost stalling at the top of a swell then pushing down and dropping in fast. I was having so much fun I ended up logging 51km (32 miles) on my GPS.
Select to expand quotebolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..
Quick update, had several goes with the 780. From overpowered 25+ knots to today, 20 when I went out with a 4m wing and dropped to 10 to 15 and big holes. Was able to stay on foil the whole time, ta king with almost no wind. I am super impressed with these wings. But definitely go smaller than what you are thinking. 780 is faster and better than the 925 in every way and has more lift. The stall speed is hard to describe, close to the old 1850. In Sydney I only need these 2 foils. The 780 is a quiver killer, works amazing from 10 to 25 probably 30. But once the wind is over 18, the 580 is a weapon, but still user friendly. More lift and ease of use than the 725. I love finally carrying less gear. 2 foils from now on.
what you weigh and what board ?
88kg, 60l board, 935 mast, 50 fuse, chopped 195 tail to 140 no shims
that's impressive on a 780 at that weight and that board in those winds.
I know.really amazing. I was going to keep the 925 for lighter winds but no need. Very happy to reduce my quiver to 2 foils
yeh all i'm using now is the 880/680 combo which kind of suites the less powerful waves here but as i drop down to my fighting weight a 780/580 combo is on the cards. or at the very least chuck a 780 in the mix which is more likely.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..bolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..
Quick update, had several goes with the 780. From overpowered 25+ knots to today, 20 when I went out with a 4m wing and dropped to 10 to 15 and big holes. Was able to stay on foil the whole time, ta king with almost no wind. I am super impressed with these wings. But definitely go smaller than what you are thinking. 780 is faster and better than the 925 in every way and has more lift. The stall speed is hard to describe, close to the old 1850. In Sydney I only need these 2 foils. The 780 is a quiver killer, works amazing from 10 to 25 probably 30. But once the wind is over 18, the 580 is a weapon, but still user friendly. More lift and ease of use than the 725. I love finally carrying less gear. 2 foils from now on.
what you weigh and what board ?
88kg, 60l board, 935 mast, 50 fuse, chopped 195 tail to 140 no shims
that's impressive on a 780 at that weight and that board in those winds.
I know.really amazing. I was going to keep the 925 for lighter winds but no need. Very happy to reduce my quiver to 2 foils
yeh all i'm using now is the 880/680 combo which kind of suites the less powerful waves here but as i drop down to my fighting weight a 780/580 combo is on the cards. or at the very least chuck a 780 in the mix which is more likely.
Don't be afraid of the 580, I bought it for my son thinking that I was going to use it only when it's nuking but it proved me wrong.
Select to expand quotebolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..
Quick update, had several goes with the 780. From overpowered 25+ knots to today, 20 when I went out with a 4m wing and dropped to 10 to 15 and big holes. Was able to stay on foil the whole time, ta king with almost no wind. I am super impressed with these wings. But definitely go smaller than what you are thinking. 780 is faster and better than the 925 in every way and has more lift. The stall speed is hard to describe, close to the old 1850. In Sydney I only need these 2 foils. The 780 is a quiver killer, works amazing from 10 to 25 probably 30. But once the wind is over 18, the 580 is a weapon, but still user friendly. More lift and ease of use than the 725. I love finally carrying less gear. 2 foils from now on.
what you weigh and what board ?
88kg, 60l board, 935 mast, 50 fuse, chopped 195 tail to 140 no shims
that's impressive on a 780 at that weight and that board in those winds.
I know.really amazing. I was going to keep the 925 for lighter winds but no need. Very happy to reduce my quiver to 2 foils
yeh all i'm using now is the 880/680 combo which kind of suites the less powerful waves here but as i drop down to my fighting weight a 780/580 combo is on the cards. or at the very least chuck a 780 in the mix which is more likely.
Don't be afraid of the 580, I bought it for my son thinking that I was going to use it only when it's nuking but it proved me wrong.
yeh i can extrapolate from the 680 and having ridden the 725 etc. Couple of wave wing sessions could have done with the 580 to be honest.
Select to expand quoteJeroensurf said..
a very positive test at the German Gleiten.tv.
now i,m demoing a AFS Silk, but i,m getting curious about the HA
Armstrong must be doing something right if you are considering the HA. Still a fan of AFS foils and still have their windfoils. I would love the chance to demo the AFS Silk but there is no chance where I am. Have used the old Performer and was impressed but it wasn't quite up there with my HS series foils. I didn't get the chance to demo any of the Armstrong foils either but am happy on the MA series just now.
Also curious about trying an HA. My quiver of Armstrong foils is now up to seven front wings and six stabs, I manage to find a use for them all winging and SUP foiling but am thinking the HS's could be sold to fund an HA. Unlike AFS the early Armstrong kit still works fine on the latest masts and fuses. I think this backwards compatibility is great and will make the HA an easy choice when some second hand ones come to market.
Select to expand quotebolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..
Quick update, had several goes with the 780. From overpowered 25+ knots to today, 20 when I went out with a 4m wing and dropped to 10 to 15 and big holes. Was able to stay on foil the whole time, ta king with almost no wind. I am super impressed with these wings. But definitely go smaller than what you are thinking. 780 is faster and better than the 925 in every way and has more lift. The stall speed is hard to describe, close to the old 1850. In Sydney I only need these 2 foils. The 780 is a quiver killer, works amazing from 10 to 25 probably 30. But once the wind is over 18, the 580 is a weapon, but still user friendly. More lift and ease of use than the 725. I love finally carrying less gear. 2 foils from now on.
what you weigh and what board ?
88kg, 60l board, 935 mast, 50 fuse, chopped 195 tail to 140 no shims
that's impressive on a 780 at that weight and that board in those winds.
I know.really amazing. I was going to keep the 925 for lighter winds but no need. Very happy to reduce my quiver to 2 foils
yeh all i'm using now is the 880/680 combo which kind of suites the less powerful waves here but as i drop down to my fighting weight a 780/580 combo is on the cards. or at the very least chuck a 780 in the mix which is more likely.
Don't be afraid of the 580, I bought it for my son thinking that I was going to use it only when it's nuking but it proved me wrong.
After riding 680 twice, I'm hoping they'll make 480 too. 680 is almost too easy to ride, but I don't want to buy 580 because then I would have difficult to select between 680 and 580 in lighter gusty condition. I'm about 85kg.
Select to expand quoteSiksvan said..bolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..
Quick update, had several goes with the 780. From overpowered 25+ knots to today, 20 when I went out with a 4m wing and dropped to 10 to 15 and big holes. Was able to stay on foil the whole time, ta king with almost no wind. I am super impressed with these wings. But definitely go smaller than what you are thinking. 780 is faster and better than the 925 in every way and has more lift. The stall speed is hard to describe, close to the old 1850. In Sydney I only need these 2 foils. The 780 is a quiver killer, works amazing from 10 to 25 probably 30. But once the wind is over 18, the 580 is a weapon, but still user friendly. More lift and ease of use than the 725. I love finally carrying less gear. 2 foils from now on.
what you weigh and what board ?
88kg, 60l board, 935 mast, 50 fuse, chopped 195 tail to 140 no shims
that's impressive on a 780 at that weight and that board in those winds.
I know.really amazing. I was going to keep the 925 for lighter winds but no need. Very happy to reduce my quiver to 2 foils
yeh all i'm using now is the 880/680 combo which kind of suites the less powerful waves here but as i drop down to my fighting weight a 780/580 combo is on the cards. or at the very least chuck a 780 in the mix which is more likely.
Don't be afraid of the 580, I bought it for my son thinking that I was going to use it only when it's nuking but it proved me wrong.
After riding 680 twice, I'm hoping they'll make 480 too. 680 is almost too easy to ride, but I don't want to buy 580 because then I would have difficult to select between 680 and 580 in lighter gusty condition. I'm about 85kg.
They probably will, my mate is 70kg and he is using the 580 as his go to foil even in 10 to 15 knots.
Select to expand quoteSiksvan said..bolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..eppo said..bolocom said..
Quick update, had several goes with the 780. From overpowered 25+ knots to today, 20 when I went out with a 4m wing and dropped to 10 to 15 and big holes. Was able to stay on foil the whole time, ta king with almost no wind. I am super impressed with these wings. But definitely go smaller than what you are thinking. 780 is faster and better than the 925 in every way and has more lift. The stall speed is hard to describe, close to the old 1850. In Sydney I only need these 2 foils. The 780 is a quiver killer, works amazing from 10 to 25 probably 30. But once the wind is over 18, the 580 is a weapon, but still user friendly. More lift and ease of use than the 725. I love finally carrying less gear. 2 foils from now on.
what you weigh and what board ?
88kg, 60l board, 935 mast, 50 fuse, chopped 195 tail to 140 no shims
that's impressive on a 780 at that weight and that board in those winds.
I know.really amazing. I was going to keep the 925 for lighter winds but no need. Very happy to reduce my quiver to 2 foils
yeh all i'm using now is the 880/680 combo which kind of suites the less powerful waves here but as i drop down to my fighting weight a 780/580 combo is on the cards. or at the very least chuck a 780 in the mix which is more likely.
Don't be afraid of the 580, I bought it for my son thinking that I was going to use it only when it's nuking but it proved me wrong.
After riding 680 twice, I'm hoping they'll make 480 too. 680 is almost too easy to ride, but I don't want to buy 580 because then I would have difficult to select between 680 and 580 in lighter gusty condition. I'm about 85kg.
maybe . surely there is a law of diminishing returns here. An analogy might be with kites and i suppose wings. There is a point a kite / even a wing (unless downwinding) becomes too small and it becomes too twitchy to use. Has anyone found the top end wind/ swell wise for the 580 yet ? And in nukin conditions and the power / water conditions - almost worth using a more stable foil like a 625ma.
just shooting the sh1t though above ..
Select to expand quoteFarNorthSurfer said..Jeroensurf said..
a very positive test at the German Gleiten.tv.
now i,m demoing a AFS Silk, but i,m getting curious about the HA Armstrong must be doing something right if you are considering the HA. Still a fan of AFS foils and still have their windfoils. I would love the chance to demo the AFS Silk but there is no chance where I am. Have used the old Performer and was impressed but it wasn't quite up there with my HS series foils. I didn't get the chance to demo any of the Armstrong foils either but am happy on the MA series just now.
Also curious about trying an HA. My quiver of Armstrong foils is now up to seven front wings and six stabs, I manage to find a use for them all winging and SUP foiling but am thinking the HS's could be sold to fund an HA. Unlike AFS the early Armstrong kit still works fine on the latest masts and fuses. I think this backwards compatibility is great and will make the HA an easy choice when some second hand ones come to market.
HS is like a 70s built car compared to a modern HA, it's that much better. But the bigger sizes because of their width really like the high mod mast to be honest. The old mast is like an 80s built car lol - it makes that much of a difference.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..FarNorthSurfer said..Jeroensurf said..
a very positive test at the German Gleiten.tv.
now i,m demoing a AFS Silk, but i,m getting curious about the HA Armstrong must be doing something right if you are considering the HA. Still a fan of AFS foils and still have their windfoils. I would love the chance to demo the AFS Silk but there is no chance where I am. Have used the old Performer and was impressed but it wasn't quite up there with my HS series foils. I didn't get the chance to demo any of the Armstrong foils either but am happy on the MA series just now.
Also curious about trying an HA. My quiver of Armstrong foils is now up to seven front wings and six stabs, I manage to find a use for them all winging and SUP foiling but am thinking the HS's could be sold to fund an HA. Unlike AFS the early Armstrong kit still works fine on the latest masts and fuses. I think this backwards compatibility is great and will make the HA an easy choice when some second hand ones come to market.
HS is like a 70s built car compared to a modern HA, it's that much better. But the bigger sizes because of their width really like the high mod mast to be honest. The old mast is like an 80s built car lol - it makes that much of a difference.
Sure, understood about the High Mod mast, it took me a while to get but have been using a 795 for nearly a year. It definitely improved the performance of my HS series foils. 90kg and mostly using HS1050/MA1000/MA1225 winging. MA1750 for small wave SUP foil and light conditions DW. What HA would you suggest as a good size to start with mostly winging? Guessing it will be smaller than the one I would pick.
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maybe . surely there is a law of diminishing returns here. An analogy might be with kites and i suppose wings. There is a point a kite / even a wing (unless downwinding) becomes too small and it becomes too twitchy to use. Has anyone found the top end wind/ swell wise for the 580 yet ? And in nukin conditions and the power / water conditions - almost worth using a more stable foil like a 625ma.
just shooting the sh1t though above ..
With gen1 HA foils, when the winds hit 25+ knots I started going to the 725 over the 525 (especially when waves were crazy too) for the exact reason you mention, it became "too twitchy." With the HA580, this is not the case. I much prefer the 580 over the 680 for nuking conditions. It's also incredibly fun in lower winds with good surf.
Select to expand quoteFarNorthSurfer said..eppo said..FarNorthSurfer said..Jeroensurf said..
a very positive test at the German Gleiten.tv.
now i,m demoing a AFS Silk, but i,m getting curious about the HA Armstrong must be doing something right if you are considering the HA. Still a fan of AFS foils and still have their windfoils. I would love the chance to demo the AFS Silk but there is no chance where I am. Have used the old Performer and was impressed but it wasn't quite up there with my HS series foils. I didn't get the chance to demo any of the Armstrong foils either but am happy on the MA series just now.
Also curious about trying an HA. My quiver of Armstrong foils is now up to seven front wings and six stabs, I manage to find a use for them all winging and SUP foiling but am thinking the HS's could be sold to fund an HA. Unlike AFS the early Armstrong kit still works fine on the latest masts and fuses. I think this backwards compatibility is great and will make the HA an easy choice when some second hand ones come to market.
HS is like a 70s built car compared to a modern HA, it's that much better. But the bigger sizes because of their width really like the high mod mast to be honest. The old mast is like an 80s built car lol - it makes that much of a difference.
Sure, understood about the High Mod mast, it took me a while to get but have been using a 795 for nearly a year. It definitely improved the performance of my HS series foils. 90kg and mostly using HS1050/MA1000/MA1225 winging. MA1750 for small wave SUP foil and light conditions DW. What HA would you suggest as a good size to start with mostly winging? Guessing it will be smaller than the one I would pick.
That's a good question, I have the HA1180 for sup downwind, I would say lift is similar to the MA1750 (perhaps a bit less), but I found it easier to lift up, and way more surfy.
I still think there is a hole between the HA1180 and the APF1650 (light DW) that needs to be filled.
Select to expand quoteFarNorthSurfer said..eppo said..FarNorthSurfer said..Jeroensurf said..
a very positive test at the German Gleiten.tv.
now i,m demoing a AFS Silk, but i,m getting curious about the HA Armstrong must be doing something right if you are considering the HA. Still a fan of AFS foils and still have their windfoils. I would love the chance to demo the AFS Silk but there is no chance where I am. Have used the old Performer and was impressed but it wasn't quite up there with my HS series foils. I didn't get the chance to demo any of the Armstrong foils either but am happy on the MA series just now.
Also curious about trying an HA. My quiver of Armstrong foils is now up to seven front wings and six stabs, I manage to find a use for them all winging and SUP foiling but am thinking the HS's could be sold to fund an HA. Unlike AFS the early Armstrong kit still works fine on the latest masts and fuses. I think this backwards compatibility is great and will make the HA an easy choice when some second hand ones come to market.
HS is like a 70s built car compared to a modern HA, it's that much better. But the bigger sizes because of their width really like the high mod mast to be honest. The old mast is like an 80s built car lol - it makes that much of a difference.
Sure, understood about the High Mod mast, it took me a while to get but have been using a 795 for nearly a year. It definitely improved the performance of my HS series foils. 90kg and mostly using HS1050/MA1000/MA1225 winging. MA1750 for small wave SUP foil and light conditions DW. What HA would you suggest as a good size to start with mostly winging? Guessing it will be smaller than the one I would pick.
what type of wind quality and what board are you using. most would say the 780 but i'm still rocking the 880 because i really like it for proning the weaker waves here and for DW winging.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..FarNorthSurfer said..eppo said..FarNorthSurfer said..Jeroensurf said..
a very positive test at the German Gleiten.tv.
now i,m demoing a AFS Silk, but i,m getting curious about the HA Armstrong must be doing something right if you are considering the HA. Still a fan of AFS foils and still have their windfoils. I would love the chance to demo the AFS Silk but there is no chance where I am. Have used the old Performer and was impressed but it wasn't quite up there with my HS series foils. I didn't get the chance to demo any of the Armstrong foils either but am happy on the MA series just now.
Also curious about trying an HA. My quiver of Armstrong foils is now up to seven front wings and six stabs, I manage to find a use for them all winging and SUP foiling but am thinking the HS's could be sold to fund an HA. Unlike AFS the early Armstrong kit still works fine on the latest masts and fuses. I think this backwards compatibility is great and will make the HA an easy choice when some second hand ones come to market.
HS is like a 70s built car compared to a modern HA, it's that much better. But the bigger sizes because of their width really like the high mod mast to be honest. The old mast is like an 80s built car lol - it makes that much of a difference.
Sure, understood about the High Mod mast, it took me a while to get but have been using a 795 for nearly a year. It definitely improved the performance of my HS series foils. 90kg and mostly using HS1050/MA1000/MA1225 winging. MA1750 for small wave SUP foil and light conditions DW. What HA would you suggest as a good size to start with mostly winging? Guessing it will be smaller than the one I would pick.
what type of wind quality and what board are you using. most would say the 780 but i'm still rocking the 880 because i really like it for proning the weaker waves here and for DW winging.
Far North of Scotland, all sorts of wind and waves but driven by weather fronts so not consistent like trades or thermals.
Powered up winging I am still using a Patrik AIO which is pretty old style now but works well. And a Gong Crusader for light and DW work.
Was 93kg but am working on getting down to mid 80's to improve may Foil SUP game on the Crusader but at nearly 59 years time is against me. Sounds like the 880 would be a good start point. It's not like it will be a one foil quiver.
I have no hard evidence for this but judging by the number of MA foils that have dropped onto the second hand market the HAv2 must be easier to use than the v1.
Select to expand quoteOahuwaterwalker said..
maybe . surely there is a law of diminishing returns here. An analogy might be with kites and i suppose wings. There is a point a kite / even a wing (unless downwinding) becomes too small and it becomes too twitchy to use. Has anyone found the top end wind/ swell wise for the 580 yet ? And in nukin conditions and the power / water conditions - almost worth using a more stable foil like a 625ma.
just shooting the sh1t though above ..
With gen1 HA foils, when the winds hit 25+ knots I started going to the 725 over the 525 (especially when waves were crazy too) for the exact reason you mention, it became "too twitchy." With the HA580, this is not the case. I much prefer the 580 over the 680 for nuking conditions. It's also incredibly fun in lower winds with good surf.
Maybe 580 is not that small when you consider the lift 90 is 580cm and the 70 is 450cm , mate rides his 90 as a daily driver winging.?
Select to expand quotekobo said..Oahuwaterwalker said..
maybe . surely there is a law of diminishing returns here. An analogy might be with kites and i suppose wings. There is a point a kite / even a wing (unless downwinding) becomes too small and it becomes too twitchy to use. Has anyone found the top end wind/ swell wise for the 580 yet ? And in nukin conditions and the power / water conditions - almost worth using a more stable foil like a 625ma.
just shooting the sh1t though above ..
With gen1 HA foils, when the winds hit 25+ knots I started going to the 725 over the 525 (especially when waves were crazy too) for the exact reason you mention, it became "too twitchy." With the HA580, this is not the case. I much prefer the 580 over the 680 for nuking conditions. It's also incredibly fun in lower winds with good surf.
Maybe 580 is not that small when you consider the lift 90 is 580cm and the 70 is 450cm , mate rides his 90 as a daily driver winging.?
It definitely looks small, but it doesn't feel that way when you are riding it. I think that if you are under 75kg you can easily go smaller. 580 needs less wind than the 725 and has crazy low stall speed for its size. With these new HAs don't look at the numbers, demo smaller than you think and they will surprise you.
Select to expand quoteFarNorthSurfer said..eppo said..FarNorthSurfer said..eppo said..FarNorthSurfer said..Jeroensurf said..
a very positive test at the German Gleiten.tv.
now i,m demoing a AFS Silk, but i,m getting curious about the HA Armstrong must be doing something right if you are considering the HA. Still a fan of AFS foils and still have their windfoils. I would love the chance to demo the AFS Silk but there is no chance where I am. Have used the old Performer and was impressed but it wasn't quite up there with my HS series foils. I didn't get the chance to demo any of the Armstrong foils either but am happy on the MA series just now.
Also curious about trying an HA. My quiver of Armstrong foils is now up to seven front wings and six stabs, I manage to find a use for them all winging and SUP foiling but am thinking the HS's could be sold to fund an HA. Unlike AFS the early Armstrong kit still works fine on the latest masts and fuses. I think this backwards compatibility is great and will make the HA an easy choice when some second hand ones come to market.
HS is like a 70s built car compared to a modern HA, it's that much better. But the bigger sizes because of their width really like the high mod mast to be honest. The old mast is like an 80s built car lol - it makes that much of a difference.
Sure, understood about the High Mod mast, it took me a while to get but have been using a 795 for nearly a year. It definitely improved the performance of my HS series foils. 90kg and mostly using HS1050/MA1000/MA1225 winging. MA1750 for small wave SUP foil and light conditions DW. What HA would you suggest as a good size to start with mostly winging? Guessing it will be smaller than the one I would pick.
what type of wind quality and what board are you using. most would say the 780 but i'm still rocking the 880 because i really like it for proning the weaker waves here and for DW winging.
Far North of Scotland, all sorts of wind and waves but driven by weather fronts so not consistent like trades or thermals.
Powered up winging I am still using a Patrik AIO which is pretty old style now but works well. And a Gong Crusader for light and DW work.
Was 93kg but am working on getting down to mid 80's to improve may Foil SUP game on the Crusader but at nearly 59 years time is against me. Sounds like the 880 would be a good start point. It's not like it will be a one foil quiver.
I have no hard evidence for this but judging by the number of MA foils that have dropped onto the second hand market the HAv2 must be easier to use than the v1.
Yeh i think you are right given what you said above. 880 would also serve as a decent Sup surf foil as well. I'm currently at 76kg down for 81kg and i had a ball on it yesterday on a 7'2 DW armie board on a 4m XPS and the wind was 18-20 (yeh could have been on a 3m and could have easily been on a 780 but hey no waves about and was just shooting upwind then DW flagging it. It's a good size for us mere mortals i recon if you are DW ing and surfing as well. That being said if i get back down to my fighting weight will have to reconsider a 780/580 combo.
Yeh 880 is your best starting point. such a good foil man.
Been riding the HA680 for about 10 sessions. Previously the ma1000 was my main foil at +18 knots. Now it's the 680 right up to 35 knots. Using 205 w blue or 140 w blue , 935 mast, 70fg board and 83 kg. Love this foil. Totally trustworthy never drops
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It definitely looks small, but it doesn't feel that way when you are riding it. I think that if you are under 75kg you can easily go smaller. 580 needs less wind than the 725 and has crazy low stall speed for its size. With these new HAs don't look at the numbers, demo smaller than you think and they will surprise you.
I could not agree more with this. I'm using a 180 stabilizer and (as mentioned before) at 80kg can get the 580 going in very close to the same wind as the 725. Once up, the stall speed is lower than the 725 and the pitch stability makes it so much easier to ride than the 525. Today another session with a 4m and the 580 in slightly overhead surf and it was SO fun. These new foils have done a brilliant job of being easy and "fun" like the MA, but with lift and glide like a bigger V1 HA.
In full transparency, I have not ridden other foil brands. I started with Armstrong almost 4 years ago and have stuck with them. With the new HA I'm finally getting similar glide and surf capabilities of my friends who are riding the F1 Eagles.
man i just finished a 28 odd km DW and some legend DW Supped a 680 for christ sake and he's 80kg. It's his go to on a 7'2 / 19 inch / 100L board. Some people are freaks!! But yeh man these HAs are something else. We were a couple of km out at times and was sometimes a little hectic. glad i was on the Has.
Any of you guys riding the Wing FG boards? I'm due to start thinking about a new board. For last three years I've been riding a Jimmy Lewis custom 69L 4'8"X23" It's still a great board, but I'm wondering about performance gains in surf if I were to switch to the Armstrong 58L (I'm about 80kg). Note: with a gust and well timed chop, I can get my current board on foil in about 10-12 knots with the HA680 and a 5.5 meter wing. I'm curious if that would still be possible with the 58L Armstrong?
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