Just got my 6.2 today. Wow. Small package, everything looks and feels top notch. I usually ride 5 and 6 meter and sometimes 8 meter wings. Just playing around with this thing in the yard, even with no wind is so freaking cool. It deploys and pops up so well. I was having flashbacks to when I was a kid climbing trees and throwing my gI Joe with a parachute. So fun to run around and watch it work. I totally see this thing replacing my wings at times. Having a bit of adhd.. I love the minimal design, and ability to deploy and go. Living on the coast and just taking my dw board out in the waves, go far away and have the ability to deploy a wing as backup makes things so much better. Looking forward to maybe having this replace my foil drive. I am tired of the weight, all the moving parts, etc. I was amazing how easy it was to maneuver around in super light winds, and how it goes high to depower, but still keeps it shape. Does not seem to flutter around, and is easy to grab. Packing up and stowing in the pouch will take some learning for sure, but I see just grabbing it and holding it should work in the beginning. The amazing part is how small and packable it is. Should have it out soon. If you are on the fence buy it before it back orders...
Didn't take long. Someone lost one on a dw run in the gorge. No details on what happened but a few comments about them sinking. Hopefully we can get the full story.
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Didn't take long. Someone lost one on a dw run in the gorge. No details on what happened but a few comments about them sinking. Hopefully we can get the full story.
Yeah I'm thinking a bit of pool noodle attached to the bar might be in order. Lets hope he gets it back
Select to expand quoteMicrosurfer said..BWalnut said..
Didn't take long. Someone lost one on a dw run in the gorge. No details on what happened but a few comments about them sinking. Hopefully we can get the full story.
Yeah I'm thinking a bit of pool noodle attached to the bar might be in order. Lets hope he gets it back
Small details trickling in 3rd party. Sounds like board leash broke, board was lost, then couldn't swim with the parawing and had to ditch it. Hearsay at the moment, but it does pose an interesting dilemma that hasn't been discussed yet. If you lose your board and you're left with that mess in the water, what now? I have some pretty advanced water survival training myself and would try to wrap that thing up and survival swim to shore, but I will admit it seems like a lot of people are not comfortable swimming back to the beach in the gorge. That would be a lot worse in the ocean.
Certainly comparing the Street Star4 4.0 to the BRM Parawing, SS4 is one third of the price, ($AUD670), has less bridles and was certainly the first of it's type. I'm in the process of modifying a 3m foil kite that cost $20 off Temu, just for a laugh, but hope to try it on my wingfoil board.
www.born-kite.de/product_info.php?language=en&info=p278_street-star4-4-0.html
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Certainly comparing the Street Star4 4.0 to the BRM Parawing, SS4 is one third of the price, ($AUD670), has less bridles and was certainly the first of it's type. I'm in the process of modifying a 3m foil kite that cost $20 off Temu, just for a laugh, but hope to try it on my wingfoil board.
www.born-kite.de/product_info.php?language=en&info=p278_street-star4-4-0.html
I don't get the comparison. You can't stow the SS4. Might as well be a full fledged kite. The innovation here is the stow ability and the upwind ability together. As far as I'm aware no other product currently on the market can do this.
As for the price. Yes, it's expensive but we need to reward innovation. Let the guy make a few bucks. This concept will be ripped off in no time by the big corporate companies and sold for dirt cheap.
Just got my 5m and took it out of the box/bag retrospect shoulda videoed/picts the fold/wrap from factory Lol! be nice if someone posted video on ideal proper pwing pack down when storing it to keep bridals from rats nesting be great as bigger sizes are a handful bridal wise and you can't wrap lines like normal kite on bar definitely a learning curve to eliminate tangleation as pwing definitely a bit different animal than your old foil/trainer kite
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Just got my 5m and took it out of the box/bag retrospect shoulda videoed/picts the fold/wrap from factory Lol! be nice if someone posted video on ideal proper pwing pack down when storing it to keep bridals from rats nesting be great as bigger sizes are a handful bridal wise and you can't wrap lines like normal kite on bar definitely a learning curve to eliminate tangleation as pwing definitely a bit different animal than your old foil/trainer kite
yeah, i thought i nailed the pack up on my 5.1 after a few tries, but then i took it out and it was a complete mess. i do wrap the bridal lines around the bar for as far as i can. then i scrunch up the wing and lay the bar on top of it all. the key is to not allow the bar to jiggle around among the remaining unwrapped bridal lines in the bag after pack up. at first i put the bar at the bottom of the bag with wing on top, and that lead to misery. bar on top of wing was better. we'll figure it out. still haven't had a day of wind to actually 'wing' it.
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Didn't take long. Someone lost one on a dw run in the gorge. No details on what happened but a few comments about them sinking. Hopefully we can get the full story.
That's not good.Could a quick release wrist or waist leash be used as a safety option?.Attached to the bar.
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This is so good, well done BRM!I will be picking one up to play with 
What size are you getting James?
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Haha Temu on it. Looks way too hard for me.
A friend bought this exact one for fun. 
A shopping bag has better shape (the lines were all differently length) and flies better.
I received my 2.9m yesterday and took it out for a spin for about 1 hour. Conditions were gusty 19-22knts, but decreasing throughout the session. Riding 60L board (Appletree Apple Slice) with Lift HA120 foil.
My biggest stumbling block was getting up on foil consistently. Even though the wing felt powered up, I struggled to get enough board speed to fly the foil, except when I managed to angle onto a wind bump and pump the board off of that, but this is tough at my home spot due to the of cross-chop from currents. I hope that there is just a technique gap here for me and I'll get it figured out after a few sessions. As stated on the site, you can't pump this to get board speed like a conventional wing. Once I was up on foil, the wing felt very powered up and took some time to figure out the finesse to ensure it didn't fly all over the wind window. By the end of the session I felt like I had figured out more control of the wing.
I was not able to figure out the wing packdown technique while I was on the water - I was trying to grab the front lines and pull it in, but this caused it to whip around uncontrollably. After my session I played with it on the beach and realized that grabbing the middle set of lines depowers the wing fully. However I'm still not quite sure how to wrap up the wing and pack it into the belt quickly and in a way that doesn't tangle the bridles. I wish that Greg provided some instruction on this!
I did have a few tangles (once in the water and again on the beach when I was fiddling with it). Untangling was not too hard, only taking a minute or so. Not so bad compared to some kitemares with hourlong untangling sessions I've had in the past!
Overall, I am excited to be trying this new equipment. The learning curve is a bit more than I was expecting, but if I can work out the kinks over my next few sessions, I'll be stoked. I wish I had gotten the 4m rather than the 2.9m for some extra starting power. I suspect that this wing would also benefit from a longer, narrower board which will make it easier to get up to flying speed - I've been eyeing the Appletree Skipper DW Prone, but not ready to spend the $$ yet!
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I don't get the comparison. You can't stow the SS4. Might as well be a full fledged kite. The innovation here is the stow ability and the upwind ability together. As far as I'm aware no other product currently on the market can do this.
So the innovation is ... slightly shorter bridals? wow
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My point about the cost was just comparing it to the SS4 that has been around for at least 7 years.. This video clearly shows that it can be stowed on the fly and is available with shorter lines. The BRM parawing is built for purpose and while it seems to be as good as an inflatable wing, people are lining up to buy it, so good on him for doing so! His Cloud kites are amazing and we have several examples at my local. Regarding my $20 kite, it's a experiment, so I don't really care if it's a dismal failure, which it would seem most likely! And yes, that 20 bucks includes shipping.
I dont know why the born kites videos are being posted here.. maybe it deserves an own thread?
Theirs seems a product for land use. If that kite falls in the water and fills up can it get up? And that stowaway sports bag looks like it will fill up with 30 L of water. 
The BRM was developed by water people for water people. Maybe BK trying to piggyback here.
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I dont know why the born kites videos are being posted here.. maybe it deserves an own thread?
Theirs seems a product for land use. If that kite falls in the water and fills up can it get up? And that stowaway sports bag looks like it will fill up with 30 L of water.
The BRM was developed by water people for water people. Maybe BK trying to piggyback here.
I think its fair enough to show that other options are available which may be of interest to some people.
It'd be easy to change the bag if necessary, and water relaunch should be similar between BK & BRM models.
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I dont know why the born kites videos are being posted here.. maybe it deserves an own thread?
Theirs seems a product for land use. If that kite falls in the water and fills up can it get up? And that stowaway sports bag looks like it will fill up with 30 L of water.
The BRM was developed by water people for water people. Maybe BK trying to piggyback here.
I think its fair enough to show that other options are available which may be of interest to some people.
It'd be easy to change the bag if necessary, and water relaunch should be similar between BK & BRM models.
The Pocket wing has it's own thread .. just saying.. unless there is some brm vs bk on-water content to show. This is becoming apples and pears.
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I dont know why the born kites videos are being posted here.. maybe it deserves an own thread?
Theirs seems a product for land use. If that kite falls in the water and fills up can it get up? And that stowaway sports bag looks like it will fill up with 30 L of water.
The BRM was developed by water people for water people. Maybe BK trying to piggyback here.
Born have been building this kind of wing for quite awhile. Check out the 2017 German patent. It should be available in September and it has been said will have a sharp price.
It's a patent pending .. 6 years already.. if bk would get the patent over this there would be an entire kite industry falling over this.
Let's see some on water footage first 
(just like someone who posted earlier their video of the flysurfer with modified lines)
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Just got my 5m and took it out of the box/bag retrospect shoulda videoed/picts the fold/wrap from factory Lol! be nice if someone posted video on ideal proper pwing pack down when storing it to keep bridals from rats nesting be great as bigger sizes are a handful bridal wise and you can't wrap lines like normal kite on bar definitely a learning curve to eliminate tangleation as pwing definitely a bit different animal than your old foil/trainer kite
yeah, i thought i nailed the pack up on my 5.1 after a few tries, but then i took it out and it was a complete mess. i do wrap the bridal lines around the bar for as far as i can. then i scrunch up the wing and lay the bar on top of it all. the key is to not allow the bar to jiggle around among the remaining unwrapped bridal lines in the bag after pack up. at first i put the bar at the bottom of the bag with wing on top, and that lead to misery. bar on top of wing was better. we'll figure it out. still haven't had a day of wind to actually 'wing' it.
Took my 5.1 on a beach test fly in 18mph winds and gotta say that's a lot of wing to be reeling in and I'm 225lbs Lol have to figure best method of reeling in by center lines or all 3 front/center/rear at once but dang it's gonna take some getting used too a lot of lines and wing to bunch up kinda noticing all videos out are all 2.8 and below have not seen a one on the 5.1 and above sizes yet maybe little different ball game on the bigger sizes eh,
on folding it up properly still trying to figure best way to minimize rats nesting and Im no beginner kiter almost 20 plus years,and pretty advanced winger so little perplexed on this parawing so far
I wonder if the center bridal could pass through the bar with a loop to pull on or even use for the harness?
I'm guessing this is similar to full sized kites but I don't kite. It looks like Born is doing something like that.
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I wonder if the center bridal could pass through the bar with a loop to pull on or even use for the harness?
I'm guessing this is similar to full sized kites but I don't kite. It looks like Born is doing something like that.
I'm thinking a line similar to the 5th line on fs Peaks may be helpful. One line spans across the canopy, passing through all the soft ribs and the 5th line pulls the centre of it, causing the canopy to concertina.
(I don't use them on the kites as the collapsed kite spins all the way till it ends in a tangled mess on the ground downwind, but on a parawing keeping hold of the handle should prevent that?)
Should collapse the parawing a bit more neatly than the single line on the BK system
Wouldn't be of any use as a harness, except for avoiding loss of the wing if you let go the handle.
I'm wondering if the bars on different size wings are different length. Can anybody who has seen the different sizes in the wild confirm that?
I would expect they do in order to match the steering input to the size of the wing, and to allow the wing to be brought close to stalling using the bar.
If that is the case then pointing the bar at the wing, will create the maximum difference in length between the front and rear lines. That will either stall the wing, or bring it close to the stall point so you can tweak the back lines and create a stall. Once it's stalled it should be easier to pull in the lines and gather the canopy.
You want to time the stall so that you're ready to grab the wing. If you over stall the wing will invert and buck. If you partially release the stall the wing will re-inflate and surge.
I have seen on one of the videos the rider points the bar at the wing then slides his free hand up the bar from the trailing edge and along the lines. In others they just grab the canopy and bunch it.
A brief surge downwind will ease the tension on the lines making it easier to pull in. Loading the board and wing upwind will increase the tension on the front lines and make the canopy much more rigid.
Here's a couple of videos where people run their hands up the back lines.
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I received my 2.9m yesterday and took it out for a spin for about 1 hour. Conditions were gusty 19-22knts, but decreasing throughout the session. Riding 60L board (Appletree Apple Slice) with Lift HA120 foil.
My biggest stumbling block was getting up on foil consistently. Even though the wing felt powered up, I struggled to get enough board speed to fly the foil, except when I managed to angle onto a wind bump and pump the board off of that, but this is tough at my home spot due to the of cross-chop from currents. I hope that there is just a technique gap here for me and I'll get it figured out after a few sessions. As stated on the site, you can't pump this to get board speed like a conventional wing. Once I was
up on foil, the wing felt very powered up and took some time to figure out the finesse to ensure it didn't fly all over the wind window. By the end of the session I felt like I had figured out more control of the wing.
I was not able to figure out the wing packdown technique while I was on the water - I was trying to grab the front lines and pull it in, but this caused it to whip around uncontrollably. After my session I played with it on the beach and realized that grabbing the middle set of lines depowers the wing fully. However I'm still not quite sure how to wrap up the wing and pack it into the belt quickly and in a way that doesn't tangle the bridles. I wish that Greg provided some instruction on this!
I did have a few tangles (once in the water and again on the beach when I was fiddling with it). Untangling was not too hard, only taking a minute or so. Not so bad compared to some kitemares with hourlong untangling sessions I've had in the past!
Overall, I am excited to be trying this new equipment. The learning curve is a bit more than I was expecting, but if I can work out the kinks over my next few sessions, I'll be stoked. I wish I had gotten the 4m rather than the 2.9m for some extra starting power. I suspect that this wing would also benefit from a longer, narrower board which will make it easier to get up to flying speed - I've been eyeing the Appletree Skipper DW Prone, but not ready to spend the $$ yet!
went out with my 6m. Was a a total pita. Luckily I had my foil drive as backup because I could not even get the thing to launch. On land it is easy, but even a little water the thing acts like a barbell and you can't throw it. Ein was only 10-14 nots, but one fall and the thing turns into a death anchor. Spent two hours and got completely frustrated.
Already sold mine- I have serious reservations about using this given all of the safety risks. Everyone be careful!
What I'd like to see is a video of larger size 5.1-6.2m in action with rider collapsing pwing and packing down in belt bag then cruising DW then redeploying and power up the wing with out tangling like to see that.all that's out is just 1.8-2.9m videos,the bigger wings are definitely a different ballgame packing down and redeploying compared to the smaller sizes no surprise there,looking forward to seeing some video of the larger sizes in action
