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Thanks logman, that puts it in perspective. I like the end sentence, "we should make things as simple as possible, BUT NO SIMPLER"!
Just reading Tim Flanery.
www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-17/climate-change-deniers-are-a-threat-to-our-children/11518138
He's painting a grim picture, and this is the young people's response to dangers ahead.
The extinction Rebellion manifest.
"This is our darkest hour. Humanity finds itself embroiled in an event unprecedented in its history, one which, unless immediately addressed, will catapult us further into the destruction of all we hold dear [.] The wilful complicity displayed by our government has shattered meaningful democracy and cast aside the common interest in favour of short-term gain and private profit [.] We hereby declare the bonds of the social contract to be null and void."
Can't say I blame them, if I was 50 - 60 years younger, I suspect I'd be a part of it as well.
Given that decrepit be lie ves the sea has risen an astonishing 8 inches in the last century there is no way anyone here is going to change his mind on this subject.
Observable evidence - there is none to back up his claim. He just assumes what he's been told is not a lie.
Extreme weather event frequency was debunked I'm afraid. Its just more people are effected now because there are more people.Deaths from extreme weather events has actually decreased over time.due to improved technology and response times.
The reason allarmists signify every weather event now is due to the minimal amount of warming that had occured over the last 20 yrs.
I think the 4 dgree increase is improbable as thats one of the ipcc's worst case senario models ,last time i checked.
I think massive energy improvements are required as well as ecosystem preservation to head in the right direction .
These kids probably lead some of the most comfortable lives in human history by the way so due to overpopulation its got to go down.
Since it is common knowledge amongst alarmists that cyclones are getting bigger and more frequent here in Australia.
So this question is for the alarmists only! What does the BoM data say about cyclone trend for Australia?
How does what's happening in Australia be relevant for what's happening over the whole world?
Some places will get colder some hotter, maybe some places milder. I haven't looked at any local effects anywhere.
But certainly the hurricanes through the pacific, the flooding in Europe, and then the heat waves are all setting records.
OK I just went looking for Bom's predictions and came across this.
And from "The Conversation"
I'll help you out
www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/climatology/trends.shtml
Here is the graph:
Please note, this is the empirical data, not some exaggerated prediction. Please do not confuse predictions with reality.
As you noted, this downward trend in cyclone activity is for Australia only. But this trend is global. The only upward trend with cyclone activity is the media reporting and the exaggeration of them.
I know alarmists will not believe any of this, despite what the empirical data says. It is like a religion for them.
But facts are facts. Please don't report me to the Gestapo for posting empirical data from the Bom on a water sports forum.
I am glad we agree that cyclones are not getting more intense or more frequent.
Despite the climate councils alarmist prophecies.
I wonder what else the alarmists are getting wrong?
I wonder why so many people believe the alarmists, despite to evidence proving them wrong?
8 inches is two thirds of a foot and is not bugger all.
In a area that is very low lying - an 8 inch rise in sea level would see the water submerge land that was previously not unde water.
Take the Swan River as a example. There are several small beach areas around the river. I'm sure not all the beaches incline at the same rate.
With a 8 inch rise in any low lying beaches - a clear change would be noticeable.
Show me video or pics of the Swan River up to 100 years ago with the river at a lower height. The beaches back then around the river,a lot more of them must have been visible if you're regurgitated data theory is true.
Lame response decrepit.
There is a small beach 300 metres to the city side of the car park at Applecross.
The incline of the beach is shallow. The cycle path that runs alongside it is not that much higher.
With an 8 inch rise in sea level in the last 100 years as you claim - pics of that beach should show a lot,lot more visible.
There are lots of old people who have lived in Applecross all their lives who no doubt can vouch your claim is complete BS.
But their data,their peer reviewed studies can never,ever be wrong I hear you repeat to yourself.
Its called a lie.
Anyway with this global day of action, is it about real change or is it signalling virtue? Those participating will they begin the process of changing their lifestyle so it becomes one of minimising their carbon output? Or will they continue to enjoy overseas holidays, buying lots of consumer goods, continue to drive around the place and so on and so forth?
Its kind of a joke when people turn the lights off during the Earth Hour once a year and then have the air conditioning on when the temperature is about 25 degrees C.
It's easy to be concerned about the environment sitting on your arse in a climate controlled environment and looking at a computer screen. However if it comes to choosing to voluntarily accepting sacrifice, such as not keeping cool when it's hot or forgoing that dream holiday it's usually a different story.
Not often that I agree with Moby! I remember a few months ago some sweet 16 year old eco warrior girl from Townsville saw nothing wrong with flying to Canberra for the day to protest Federal government climate policy.
Now everybody repeat after me
Ecotourism is an oxymoron
Decrepit that is another lame response. I put it to you that you in complete denial on this topic.
Obviously if you take a pic at high tide or especially in a storm the water level is going to be higher.
Why don't you ask around the old folks who have lived at Applecross or some other suburb on the river if they have noticed the river rise in their lifetime.
Again,in a area of land or beach next to the river a eight inch increase in the river is going to be very,very noticeable.
You can deny the bleeding obvious all you want but that is a fact.
Their data or observation - history tells us Govt's lie.
