Select to expand quotepsychomub said..airsail said..
I have no idea how factual it is but studies in the US show nearly all the current deaths are the unvaccinated. It's coming to Oz when the borders open, I can't see why you would risk not being vaccinated, horrible way to die.
www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-06-24/nearly-all-covid-deaths-in-us-are-now-among-unvaccinated
oops, I have to add, I said it is coming to Oz, wrong, look at Sydney, it's here.
www.bbc.com/news/health-57525891
Almost half the deaths from Delta in the UK have had at least one jab...
All the more reason to get as many people vaccinated so as to slow down/prevent spread and therefore reduce the likelihood of more variants emerging.
The more people who spread it, the more likely we'll get variation.
And we were only just getting on top of the original one. Fortunately some jabs already approved have shown some levels of effectiveness against some of the variants.
I did try to book online on Government site, but here on Gold Coast can't get any by the end of September!Calling local GP also didn't help much!
Under 60 I am not allowed / recommended to get AZ, but Pfizer is not available.
I wish i could only buy Pfizer on eBay or Amazon? I heard people overseas buy trip to US to get a shot at any pharmacy. $4000 for air ticket and $20 for the shot that could save your life.
Australia seems to be lagging behind third world in population vaccination.
But at least we have new tanks, military helicopters, submarines and missiles worth 220 bln dollars to protect as all !
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I think that PM and government calculation is easy to understand.
By not vaccinating our 20 mln population government could save now instantly 300 mln dollars !! That means 2 more fighter jet that could protect closed sky over greater Sydney or limousines for all government stuff.But for creative thinking government there is another way.
They could release 100 doses weekly in every city and sell to higher bidder on the auction.
There is also another option, Since Donald Trump is actually unemployed we could hire him here for next 4 years to become our president and to organize Aussie Warp Speed vaccination here. I am happy to contribute $20 instantly
For all those conspiracy theorists out there.. I believe the government played the roll out perfectly,.. delayed getting it to see fall out over sea's, but due to limited stocks played the media to perfectly resulting in rush, no pandemonium but also no major crys about lack of supply. Just minor grumblings ... Well played puppet master!
Select to expand quoteGazuki said..
For all those conspiracy theorists out there.. I believe the government played the roll out perfectly,.. delayed getting it to see fall out over sea's, but due to limited stocks played the media to perfectly resulting in rush, no pandemonium but also no major crys about lack of supply. Just minor grumblings ... Well played puppet master!
played perfectly? Closing now again whole Sydney because can't organize simple vaccination? Waiting for new Covid delta+ to arrive, to reconsider priorities?
Covid Gamma may come later this summer/our winter and be 10x more deadly ! I want to be vaccinated in this country, but I can not and need to wait till Christmas at least ! 
Considering other options, Covid may not the be worst
Ive had 2 AZ shots. Im only 40, got mine early as im a firefighter - apparently we are VIPs.
Most of my colleagues have had one or two AZ shots. I got mild symptoms after dose one only. Chills, nausea, body aches. but only mild and only for 2 or 3 hours, at about 3am. I went back to sleep, woke up at 7am and went for a surf straight up - it was pumping, got some of the best waves of my life :)
I was the only one of the 30 odd people i know who've had the vaxx that have had any symptoms.
I get a bit annoyed at people that dont want to 'risk' the vaxx. i figure they're either 1) really bad at maths, 2) complete pussies (scared of a sniffle), 3) completely sefish (dont want to do their bit to help the whole population). Or I guess 4) raving mad anti vaxx lunatics. or maybe just super gullible to social media BS!
I do hope at some stage there are rules in place to inconvienience the unvaxxinated. like - not allowed to attend school / get on flights / go out inpublic without a mask. (unless they cant have the vaxx due to a legit medical reason, of course.) They'll deserve the inconvinence for choosing to put the rest of the population at risk.
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I do hope at some stage there are rules in place to inconvienience the unvaxxinated. like - not allowed to attend school / get on flights / go out inpublic without a mask. (unless they cant have the vaxx due to a legit medical reason, of course.) They'll deserve the inconvinence for choosing to put the rest of the population at risk.
Maybe the government should offer the anti-vaxxers the way of becoming immune naturally, i.e. exposing them to the virus and letting them get Covid. For a large number it will probably just be a bad flu, which if my memory serves me correctly is no fun anyway.
Problem solved. No vaccination, and all natural. It will hurt, possibly even kill you, but it won't be that nasty government doing it.
Select to expand quoteRails said..
Sure, I'll take the flu jab in 10 years when the long term effects are in:
no reports of prion-related diseases, Alzheimer's disease, or amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) after COVID-19 vaccination, yet...
In the mean time got a new gun this week just in case the sheeples turn into mad cow zombies 
not going to take it?
If we didn't have a government with a fixed mindset against Russia/China we could have the best vaccine so far
www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/russia-sputnik-v-efficacy/
and safe
(livemint.com)www.livemint.com/news/india/sputnik-v-is-safest-among-all-covid-19-vaccines-no-deaths-recorded-finds-study-11624550748975.html
NSW has just adopted legislation that only those people who have received at least the first dose of COVID vaccination are allowed to work at airports within the state. This is sure to piss off the antivax brigade.
Establishes the NSW Airport and Quarantine Workers Vaccination Program: Workers specified in the NSW Airport and Quarantine Workers Vaccination Program can only enter the workplace or provide services if they have received at least the first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. Employers of these workers must ensure that their workers comply with this requirement. This provision will commence at 12pm on 28 June 2021.
Select to expand quoteWife had first Pfizer, no dramas. Wife has second Pfizer, we go on the only dinner date we've had since the kids were born, the cabbie tells us his fit and healthy brother in law died after his second jab, we get half way through the most expensive meal ever, bam, symptoms hit, leave instantly, days of feeling like death, too weak to pop her own Panadol, but temperature not too high so avoided hospital, which is more than I can say for the neighbour who was rushed in by ambulance after she got home from her shots.
Just as an aside, wife was quite surprised that nurse didn't wear gloves, didn't alcohol swab the area, and didn't ask about contraindications until after the jab.
That's all just anecdotal
For another anecdotal story
A clients son who's my age 42 in the UK got Covid from his daughters who'd picked it up from school. The daughters had very mild symptoms, fourteen months later he's still suffering post viral symptoms. Two of his workmates in their 50s died.
I just home after my covid Vax and feel 100% , I can see now south afekt a allll tolaly numlal , o glmlems , kit ei h technology OT key mi 2md qacks
I'm waiting until my wife has her vacc in august. If all good then why not. If not - win win. Lol.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
I'm waiting until my wife has her vacc in august. If all good then why not. If not - win win. Lol.
If your wife is smarter she will pretend to have the vaccination, and do the same... win win...
Select to expand quoteRazzonater said..
Here in Western Australia this week/last week all people over 30 I think can now get the vaccine.
Who has already got it, have you had both shots.
who is booked in to get it?
I will be getting it mainly through social pressure and a desire to be able to fly, there is also some corporate pressure mounting as I work in mining industry.
Believe me all the big miners whilst they cannot make you get it they will be able to say you have to have it to visit their sites.....
I don't believe the vaccine is 100% safe, not talking about effectiveness that's a whole seperate argument.
Who here has had it and got unwell????
A guy I work with climbed Mount Everest, covid hit and he made it to India where his family is, he got covid he got better.
than the strain of covid changed and he decided to get vaccinated. He got vaccinated and was fine for weeks and weeks, around two months post vaccine he woke up with a headache and died on the way to the hospital from what I believe was a brain hemorage or similar.
This is a guy in his 30,s who had recently climbed Everest, had covid and got through it quite easily.
Please no conspiracies, real stories, real reports of yourself and/or those you know.
Opinions?
That has to be one of the worst anti vaccine story's I have heard. My take on your story goes like this.
A really fit guy that pushes his body to the limits. Ventures into the death zones of Everest. Then gets covid that can have long term side effects. Then during a pandemic in a third world heath care system that is overwhelmed he has a medical problem and dies from something?
Suggesting that it was the vaccine is a bit of a long shot. Maybe he had some skittles and a cold shower the night before and that's what killed him. There is no evidence of anything.
Select to expand quotelocateg said..Razzonater said..
Here in Western Australia this week/last week all people over 30 I think can now get the vaccine.
Who has already got it, have you had both shots.
who is booked in to get it?
I will be getting it mainly through social pressure and a desire to be able to fly, there is also some corporate pressure mounting as I work in mining industry.
Believe me all the big miners whilst they cannot make you get it they will be able to say you have to have it to visit their sites.....
I don't believe the vaccine is 100% safe, not talking about effectiveness that's a whole seperate argument.
Who here has had it and got unwell????
A guy I work with climbed Mount Everest, covid hit and he made it to India where his family is, he got covid he got better.
than the strain of covid changed and he decided to get vaccinated. He got vaccinated and was fine for weeks and weeks, around two months post vaccine he woke up with a headache and died on the way to the hospital from what I believe was a brain hemorage or similar.
This is a guy in his 30,s who had recently climbed Everest, had covid and got through it quite easily.
Please no conspiracies, real stories, real reports of yourself and/or those you know.
Opinions?
That has to be one of the worst anti vaccine story's I have heard. My take on your story goes like this.
A really fit guy that pushes his body to the limits. Ventures into the death zones of Everest. Then gets covid that can have long term side effects. Then during a pandemic in a third world heath care system that is overwhelmed he has a medical problem and dies from something?
Suggesting that it was the vaccine is a bit of a long shot. Maybe he had some skittles and a cold shower the night before and that's what killed him. There is no evidence of anything.
Not really an anti vaccine story just a friend/work colleague story and the possibility the vaccine may have contributed
In west oz I have no- one I know in my age group or near who has received it.
All the oldies have got the vaccine but many many of them held out and still have not got it.
I still have some concern over the vaccine and possible long term affects.... or delayed reactions..... am I an anti vaxxer ,,,,, no Not at all..
I actually tried to book myself and wife in on the government website today after reading all the comments on this thread.
we got an automated response saying nothing is available and they will be in contact when something is.....I strongly suspect there is no Pfizer available.
We should of had it available by now for everyone who wants to get it.
The governments had well over a year to secure supplies.
So in short I and my wife will be getting the vaccine, once we can once it's available once we can book in.
Select to expand quoteRazzonater said..locateg said..Razzonater said..
Here in Western Australia this week/last week all people over 30 I think can now get the vaccine.
Who has already got it, have you had both shots.
who is booked in to get it?
I will be getting it mainly through social pressure and a desire to be able to fly, there is also some corporate pressure mounting as I work in mining industry.
Believe me all the big miners whilst they cannot make you get it they will be able to say you have to have it to visit their sites.....
I don't believe the vaccine is 100% safe, not talking about effectiveness that's a whole seperate argument.
Who here has had it and got unwell????
A guy I work with climbed Mount Everest, covid hit and he made it to India where his family is, he got covid he got better.
than the strain of covid changed and he decided to get vaccinated. He got vaccinated and was fine for weeks and weeks, around two months post vaccine he woke up with a headache and died on the way to the hospital from what I believe was a brain hemorage or similar.
This is a guy in his 30,s who had recently climbed Everest, had covid and got through it quite easily.
Please no conspiracies, real stories, real reports of yourself and/or those you know.
Opinions?
That has to be one of the worst anti vaccine story's I have heard. My take on your story goes like this.
A really fit guy that pushes his body to the limits. Ventures into the death zones of Everest. Then gets covid that can have long term side effects. Then during a pandemic in a third world heath care system that is overwhelmed he has a medical problem and dies from something?
Suggesting that it was the vaccine is a bit of a long shot. Maybe he had some skittles and a cold shower the night before and that's what killed him. There is no evidence of anything.
Not really an anti vaccine story just a friend/work colleague story and the possibility the vaccine may have contributed
In west oz I have no- one I know in my age group or near who has received it.
All the oldies have got the vaccine but many many of them held out and still have not got it.
I still have some concern over the vaccine and possible long term affects.... or delayed reactions..... am I an anti vaxxer ,,,,, no Not at all..
I actually tried to book myself and wife in on the government website today after reading all the comments on this thread.
we got an automated response saying nothing is available and they will be in contact when something is.....I strongly suspect there is no Pfizer available.
We should of had it available by now for everyone who wants to get it.
The governments had well over a year to secure supplies.
So in short I and my wife will be getting the vaccine, once we can once it's available once we can book in.
Australia has now honorable 114 place in the world vaccination queue .
At 4.7 % we hardly have 1/3 of world average and 1/10 of our best friends in USA and Europe.
I imagine the in such occasions crowds should march on the streets and demand what they all deserve - get a vaccine now , no need to wait for Christmas.
At times like that our government should be criminally charged and prosecuted for every person died that could and want to be vaccinated but couldn't due to complete failure to deliver vaccination to the nation.
As for today I have greater chance to get 1mln dollar prize in every Lotto lotery then get Covid shot. But what the point to become suddenly lucky and rich lotto winner when COVID delta could get you anytime latter?
Select to expand quoteRazzonater said..locateg said..Razzonater said..
Here in Western Australia this week/last week all people over 30 I think can now get the vaccine.
Who has already got it, have you had both shots.
who is booked in to get it?
I will be getting it mainly through social pressure and a desire to be able to fly, there is also some corporate pressure mounting as I work in mining industry.
Believe me all the big miners whilst they cannot make you get it they will be able to say you have to have it to visit their sites.....
I don't believe the vaccine is 100% safe, not talking about effectiveness that's a whole seperate argument.
Who here has had it and got unwell????
A guy I work with climbed Mount Everest, covid hit and he made it to India where his family is, he got covid he got better.
than the strain of covid changed and he decided to get vaccinated. He got vaccinated and was fine for weeks and weeks, around two months post vaccine he woke up with a headache and died on the way to the hospital from what I believe was a brain hemorage or similar.
This is a guy in his 30,s who had recently climbed Everest, had covid and got through it quite easily.
Please no conspiracies, real stories, real reports of yourself and/or those you know.
Opinions?
That has to be one of the worst anti vaccine story's I have heard. My take on your story goes like this.
A really fit guy that pushes his body to the limits. Ventures into the death zones of Everest. Then gets covid that can have long term side effects. Then during a pandemic in a third world heath care system that is overwhelmed he has a medical problem and dies from something?
Suggesting that it was the vaccine is a bit of a long shot. Maybe he had some skittles and a cold shower the night before and that's what killed him. There is no evidence of anything.
Not really an anti vaccine story just a friend/work colleague story and the possibility the vaccine may have contributed
In west oz I have no- one I know in my age group or near who has received it.
All the oldies have got the vaccine but many many of them held out and still have not got it.
I still have some concern over the vaccine and possible long term affects.... or delayed reactions..... am I an anti vaxxer ,,,,, no Not at all..
I actually tried to book myself and wife in on the government website today after reading all the comments on this thread.
we got an automated response saying nothing is available and they will be in contact when something is.....I strongly suspect there is no Pfizer available.
We should of had it available by now for everyone who wants to get it.
The governments had well over a year to secure supplies.
So in short I and my wife will be getting the vaccine, once we can once it's available once we can book in.
To be fair, and I don't like this government, they had to make an each-way bet on different options as no one knew which vaccines would be workable, plus they had to compete with other countries that also wanted first access to them.
The problems with Astrazenica have obviously thrown their numbers out, but yes, I agree, they should have done better and approached it as something to be on the front foot with instead of reluctantly doing it. Much like the need to build dedicated quarantine facilities. I would respect them if they stepped up from the beginning and announced them. The fact that they have reluctantly done so now means that I respect their decision, but it could have been earlier.
This seems to be a very difficult thing for this government to do. Go from being all about saving money in budgets, to needing to actively spend it to protect our lives and our economy. I certainly won't criticize their budgets based on the need for a Covid response.
Good on you for trying to get it Razz. I agree, we really should all have access by now. Govts really dragged there feet on this.
I understand vaccine hesitancy given its a new product with some risks,and as as there's not much immediate covid risk in Aus (until this week maybe... hope not). I dont know the global story but anecdoately from conversations with friends overseas, they've all been frothing to get the vaxx and are genuinely stoked/relieved when finally its their turn. Doesnt seem to be much concern about possible highly rare side effects when the virus is on their doorstep.
Those in austraila that have been sitting on the fence will probably be bummed if we have a big outbreak and they cant get the jab when they want it / need it, if demand for the vaxx suddently shoots through the roof.
Select to expand quoteRazzonater said..
I actually tried to book myself and wife in on the government website today after reading all the comments on this thread.
we got an automated response saying nothing is available and they will be in contact when something is.....I strongly suspect there is no Pfizer available.
I booked my vaccination today Razz, through the VaccinateWA site. Won't get it till mid August though... more time to see if I want to back out. You should be able to do the same, unless they don't need you around
Select to expand quotetarquin1 said..
Isn't OZ developing their own vaccine.
Yep, pack of skittles and a cold shower
Actually believe it or not (and it's hard to believe with our infatuation with only digging crap out the ground) we have a thriving molecular biology industry. Right up there.
I have neither had nor not had the vaccine.
How dare you question my choice to self identify as non-binary anti/pro-vax.
And I'm not moving until I receive sage words of wisdom from Greta.
Select to expand quoteRails said..
..... pack of skittles and a cold shower
In that case I have had at least my 4,326th shot.
This week.
And its only Monday.
Had my first Pfizer shot last Wednesday 23rd June, no after-effects. Was a bit hungover Sunday though
Had both pfizer shots now. First one nothing, the day after the second one I had muscle aches everywhere, felt hungover and tired. But that's probably because the day of the second one I did a hard workout at the gym, drank lots of beer and then got kept up most of the night by a cranky toddler. I don't think any of it was related to the vaccine. 
ABC news reported that at a party with 1 case, 30 guests. 6 people had 1 dose of vaccine. Everybody else got infected
www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/west-hoxton-nsw-superspreader-party-becomes-case-study-in-effectiveness-of-coronavirus-vaccines/news-story/742b407f517ba772d3b871be7dab6d65
The vaccine is lethal. My neighbors best friends girlfriends aunts ex husband had the vaccine and the next day he died in a car accident.
Had my first Pfizer last week.
Felt a little drained the arvo of the next day. Day after that back to 100%. Slightly sore arm but no worse than any other jab.
Looking forward to the second to have it all done!
I felt even though I am low risk to Covid , it is our responsibility to help reduce the spread to protect those that can't be vaccinated for various health reasons. It's a shame the anti-vaxxers/ general morons will benefit from this protection, but oh well.
