So why is this 'vaccine', fully approved and also only approved for EUA?
Anyone?
www.fda.gov/media/144414/download
The FDA-approved COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the FDA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series.[1]
[1] The licensed vaccine has the same formulation as the EUA-authorized vaccine and the products can be used interchangeably to provide the vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns. The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness.
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Study Type: Interventional (Clinical Trial)
Estimated Enrollment: 43998 participants
Allocation: Randomized Intervention
Model: Parallel Assignment
Masking: Triple (Participant, Care Provider, Investigator)
Primary Purpose: Prevention Official
Title: A PHASE 1/2/3, PLACEBO-CONTROLLED, RANDOMIZED, OBSERVER-BLIND, DOSE-FINDING STUDY TO EVALUATE THE SAFETY, TOLERABILITY, IMMUNOGENICITY, AND EFFICACY OF SARS-COV-2 RNA VACCINE CANDIDATES AGAINST COVID-19 IN HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS
Actual Study Start Date: April 29, 2020
Estimated Primary Completion Date: May 2, 2023
Estimated Study Completion Date: May 2, 2023
I heard there is a new covid variant getting about, I was told it was called delta+
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..
I am concerned about both. I neither want to catch SARS-Cov-2 or accept an experimental treatment, yet. So I am managing my risk for both.
I refuse to let fear rule my life.
Fear is an evolution to stop us doing dumb things.
The worst thing about the strategy of managing your risk for the vaccine and for Covid is that you only get a choice with the vaccine. If you are unlucky enough to be exposed to the virus you don't have the choice of declining to accept it and at that point its too late for the vaccine to do anything for you. Even idiots that think they are immune from this for whatever reason can catch it. Stupidity does not protect you.
I hope for most people this does not become an issue, but at the point that a Premier declares that there is a lockdown, Covid is already in the community and you may have already been exposed. Short of hiding away all the time right now, you never know when you could get it.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..japie said..airsail said..
Raise you one
Ok Japie, if you are that sure of your claims then let's make a bet.
There's plenty of people here who know who I am and who can witness this. I will now bet you $10,000 that the governments will lift the lockdowns. Since you are so sure of your claims, I assume you'll give me 10 to 1 odds.
Come on, how about it? It's a simple bet - if the Australian governments don't lift the lockdowns I will pay you $10,000.
Surely you're going to put your money where your mouth is?
Don't be ridiculous. The reason I stuck that up was a flippant retort to Airsail's provocative meme. Of course they will "open up".
What I do know is that now they've "locked down" a few times they won't be nearly as hesitant to do it again because people have become acceptant of it.
Conditioned if you like!
And in my 66 years I've not bought more than ten lottery tickets and only ever bet on a horse once so there would be bugger all chance anyway.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
If you are unlucky enough to be exposed to the virus...I hope for most people this does not become an issue.
FTFY
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..FormulaNova said..
If you are unlucky enough to be exposed to the virus...I hope for most people this does not become an issue.
FTFY
I hope you can 'fix' your own health if you end up getting sick from Covid. Clearly the people that have died or even gotten severely ill from Covid never thought it would be an issue for them. Its human nature that ' it's not going to happen to me... blah blah, I eat macro nutrients, and am not overweight '.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..kiterboy said..FormulaNova said..
If you are unlucky enough to be exposed to the virus...I hope for most people this does not become an issue.
FTFY
I hope you can 'fix' your own health if you end up getting sick from Covid. Clearly the people that have died or even gotten severely ill from Covid never thought it would be an issue for them. Its human nature that ' it's not going to happen to me... blah blah, I eat macro nutrients, and am not overweight '.
A lot of people that caught nasty Covid were in hospital or a nursing home. It's fair to suggest a lot of them would have cottoned on to the idea that something was amiss with their health by then.
Select to expand quoteTonyAbbott said..
I heard there is a new covid variant getting about, I was told it was called delta+
You seriously don't want the Delta + Alpha
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..kiterboy said..FormulaNova said..
If you are unlucky enough to be exposed to the virus...I hope for most people this does not become an issue.
FTFY
I hope you can 'fix' your own health if you end up getting sick from Covid. Clearly the people that have died or even gotten severely ill from Covid never thought it would be an issue for them. Its human nature that ' it's not going to happen to me... blah blah, I eat macro nutrients, and am not overweight '.
Hmmm, I thought you were a fan of logic a few posts ago...
Survivorship bias or survival bias is the logical error of concentrating on the people or things that made it past some selection process and overlooking those that did not, typically because of their lack of visibility. This can lead to some false conclusions in several different ways. It is a form of selection bias.
Although I suppose in the case of SARS-Cov-2 it should be called non-survivorship bias.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..kiterboy said..FormulaNova said..
If you are unlucky enough to be exposed to the virus...I hope for most people this does not become an issue.
FTFY
I hope you can 'fix' your own health if you end up getting sick from Covid. Clearly the people that have died or even gotten severely ill from Covid never thought it would be an issue for them. Its human nature that ' it's not going to happen to me... blah blah, I eat macro nutrients, and am not overweight '.
Take a look at the data on infection fatality rates from Stanford. Across 32 different locations the median infection fatality rate was .27%. Less than 3 people in 1000,
Medication using the irrefutably effective protocols established by doctors worldwide reduce that by between 74 and 86%. Less than one person in 1000.
We know that those chaps that die usually have co morbidities. Vitamin D deficiency, Zinc, diabetes, stuffing your face disease etc..
I have none of those, I've cycled over 200 K's in the past week and run over 20.
I don't THINK it is not an issue for me,
I know it is not.
Oh and I have a box of ivermectin in my desk drawer!
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
Fear is an evolution to stop us doing dumb things.
What, like sailing off in "that direction" to explore new lands? Building flying machines? Climbing on a plank of wood in the crashing waves?
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..FormulaNova said..kiterboy said..FormulaNova said..
If you are unlucky enough to be exposed to the virus...I hope for most people this does not become an issue.
FTFY
I hope you can 'fix' your own health if you end up getting sick from Covid. Clearly the people that have died or even gotten severely ill from Covid never thought it would be an issue for them. Its human nature that ' it's not going to happen to me... blah blah, I eat macro nutrients, and am not overweight '.
A lot of people that caught nasty Covid were in hospital or a nursing home. It's fair to suggest a lot of them would have cottoned on to the idea that something was amiss with their health by then.
You say 'a lot'. Did you mean "all" or are you conceding that some (i.e. more than zero) caught Covid without any underlying health issues?
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..FormulaNova said..kiterboy said..FormulaNova said..
If you are unlucky enough to be exposed to the virus...I hope for most people this does not become an issue.
FTFY
I hope you can 'fix' your own health if you end up getting sick from Covid. Clearly the people that have died or even gotten severely ill from Covid never thought it would be an issue for them. Its human nature that ' it's not going to happen to me... blah blah, I eat macro nutrients, and am not overweight '.
Hmmm, I thought you were a fan of logic a few posts ago...
Survivorship bias or survival bias is the logical error of concentrating on the people or things that made it past some selection process and overlooking those that did not, typically because of their lack of visibility. This can lead to some false conclusions in several different ways. It is a form of selection bias.
Although I suppose in the case of SARS-Cov-2 it should be called non-survivorship bias.
What loop of logic links my post to yours? are you going off on some tangent that you want to because I can't see the link.
Some people have thought they were healthy enough to survive Covid with no effects, and some have died. As I have used the word 'some' it implies that there are others that may have had health issues.
Clearly the fact that 'some' very healthy people have gotten ill or even died suggests that no one knows if it is going to affect them in a bad way or not. Its your roll of the dice, go for it.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..FormulaNova said..
Fear is an evolution to stop us doing dumb things.
What, like sailing off in "that direction" to explore new lands? Building flying machines? Climbing on a plank of wood in the crashing waves?
Come on Kami, I thought we were going to actually make statements, not just ambiguous comments that mean nothing. I know using a mobile phone is difficult, but do I have to do all the work and try and understand what your point was, and then no doubt 'get it wrong' because I had to guess what you were trying to say?
If you want to go into a discussion, fear and the level to which people assign it to things varies in the population. We could have people fearful of the vaccine and the rest of us die out in 5 years from an after-effect. Alternatively all the people that don't get vaccinated may all die off next week.
People that sail off into a direction to explore can and have died trying that. Building a flying machine sounds easy too except when you find out that people injured themselves and died from trying.
Select to expand quotejapie said..FormulaNova said..kiterboy said..FormulaNova said..
If you are unlucky enough to be exposed to the virus...I hope for most people this does not become an issue.
FTFY
I hope you can 'fix' your own health if you end up getting sick from Covid. Clearly the people that have died or even gotten severely ill from Covid never thought it would be an issue for them. Its human nature that ' it's not going to happen to me... blah blah, I eat macro nutrients, and am not overweight '.
Take a look at the data on infection fatality rates from Stanford. Across 32 different locations the median infection fatality rate was .27%. Less than 3 people in 1000,
Medication using the irrefutably effective protocols established by doctors worldwide reduce that by between 74 and 86%. Less than one person in 1000.
We know that those chaps that die usually have co morbidities. Vitamin D deficiency, Zinc, diabetes, stuffing your face disease etc..
I have none of those, I've cycled over 200 K's in the past week and run over 20.
I don't THINK it is not an issue for me,
I know it is not.
Oh and I have a box of ivermectin in my desk drawer!
I guess you guys don't bother to read 'the mainstream media', but there are cases of people that also thought they were healthy like you do, and have gotten seriously ill. Some seemingly fitter than you.
It's good that you are so strong in your convictions. If only there was a god that would honour this when it comes to when you catch Covid. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that.
Select to expand quotejapie said..FormulaNova said..kiterboy said..FormulaNova said..
If you are unlucky enough to be exposed to the virus...I hope for most people this does not become an issue.
FTFY
I hope you can 'fix' your own health if you end up getting sick from Covid. Clearly the people that have died or even gotten severely ill from Covid never thought it would be an issue for them. Its human nature that ' it's not going to happen to me... blah blah, I eat macro nutrients, and am not overweight '.
Take a look at the data on infection fatality rates from Stanford. Across 32 different locations the median infection fatality rate was .27%. Less than 3 people in 1000,
Medication using the irrefutably effective protocols established by doctors worldwide reduce that by between 74 and 86%. Less than one person in 1000.
We know that those chaps that die usually have co morbidities. Vitamin D deficiency, Zinc, diabetes, stuffing your face disease etc..
I have none of those, I've cycled over 200 K's in the past week and run over 20.
I don't THINK it is not an issue for me,
I know it is not.
Oh and I have a box of ivermectin in my desk drawer!
Japie, which one of these do you think was not as fit as you, and which ones do you think might have been fitter than you?
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/super-fit-twin-brother-dies-of-covid-after-refusing-covid-jab/news-story/53bc99404607526f007514148f794aea
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/influencer-33-who-thought-covid-didnt-exist-dies-after-catching-the-virus/news-story/56dc92f704419cf0bcd2bf8f9ef4392d
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-researchers-warn-of-longterm-covid19-side-effects/news-story/65bc5e986281d6e0fbb690d3513a5369
I'm not as fit as most of them, so I will stick to the vaccine.
Unlike you I have only done about 120kms on the bike in the last week, and I hate running. I am not sure how many kms on the bike will keep me 'Covid immune', so I will take my chance with the jab.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..japie said..FormulaNova said..kiterboy said..FormulaNova said..
If you are unlucky enough to be exposed to the virus...I hope for most people this does not become an issue.
FTFY
I hope you can 'fix' your own health if you end up getting sick from Covid. Clearly the people that have died or even gotten severely ill from Covid never thought it would be an issue for them. Its human nature that ' it's not going to happen to me... blah blah, I eat macro nutrients, and am not overweight '.
Take a look at the data on infection fatality rates from Stanford. Across 32 different locations the median infection fatality rate was .27%. Less than 3 people in 1000,
Medication using the irrefutably effective protocols established by doctors worldwide reduce that by between 74 and 86%. Less than one person in 1000.
We know that those chaps that die usually have co morbidities. Vitamin D deficiency, Zinc, diabetes, stuffing your face disease etc..
I have none of those, I've cycled over 200 K's in the past week and run over 20.
I don't THINK it is not an issue for me,
I know it is not.
Oh and I have a box of ivermectin in my desk drawer!
Japie, which one of these do you think was not as fit as you, and which ones do you think might have been fitter than you?
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/super-fit-twin-brother-dies-of-covid-after-refusing-covid-jab/news-story/53bc99404607526f007514148f794aea
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/influencer-33-who-thought-covid-didnt-exist-dies-after-catching-the-virus/news-story/56dc92f704419cf0bcd2bf8f9ef4392d
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-researchers-warn-of-longterm-covid19-side-effects/news-story/65bc5e986281d6e0fbb690d3513a5369
I'm not as fit as most of them, so I will stick to the vaccine.
Unlike you I have only done about 120kms on the bike in the last week, and I hate running. I am not sure how many kms on the bike will keep me 'Covid immune', so I will take my chance with the jab.
Ivermectin mate. Ivermectin
Prophylaxis
This situation we are in and look like being in in perpetuity could be but a distant memory had we taken the medicate instead of vaccinate route.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..kiterboy said..FormulaNova said..kiterboy said..FormulaNova said..
If you are unlucky enough to be exposed to the virus...I hope for most people this does not become an issue.
FTFY
I hope you can 'fix' your own health if you end up getting sick from Covid. Clearly the people that have died or even gotten severely ill from Covid never thought it would be an issue for them. Its human nature that ' it's not going to happen to me... blah blah, I eat macro nutrients, and am not overweight '.
Hmmm, I thought you were a fan of logic a few posts ago...
Survivorship bias or survival bias is the logical error of concentrating on the people or things that made it past some selection process and overlooking those that did not, typically because of their lack of visibility. This can lead to some false conclusions in several different ways. It is a form of selection bias.
Although I suppose in the case of SARS-Cov-2 it should be called non-survivorship bias.
What loop of logic links my post to yours? are you going off on some tangent that you want to because I can't see the link.
Some people have thought they were healthy enough to survive Covid with no effects, and some have died. As I have used the word 'some' it implies that there are others that may have had health issues.
Clearly the fact that 'some' very healthy people have gotten ill or even died suggests that no one knows if it is going to affect them in a bad way or not. Its your roll of the dice, go for it.
Sure, and SOME people who want to become rockstars actually make it, many thousands don't.
If you can't follow the logic in that, well, it explains a lot really.
Ivermectin has been known to cause massive liver damage and the effects on pregnant women are still unknown.
The poison help line has had a 70% increase in calls, all from people giving themselves Ivermectin thinking it will cure them of covid.
Go see your doctor before you start medicating yourself because a video on youtube told you to.
Hey, FN.
I looked at your first two links (for the two out of six million) and...heart attack and liver failure - yep, undoubtly entirely from covid, and nothing to do with excessive 'roid abuse. I mean 'roid abuse has never been known to cause those issues.
Although it probably did allow them to get some awesome insta pics unlike covid.
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
Ivermectin has been known to cause massive liver damage and the effects on pregnant women are still unknown.
The poison help line has had a 70% increase in calls, all from people giving themselves Ivermectin thinking it will cure them of covid.
Go see your doctor before you start medicating yourself because a video on youtube told you to.
No it hasn't
And it wasn't a doctor on YouTube.
It has if you read all the info on it and not just the bits they tell you to believe.
So who is your local doctor who prescribe you this and said it was safe for you personally knowing your medical history and age of nearly 70?
You said earlier you dont have a doctor ?
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..psychojoe said..FormulaNova said..kiterboy said..FormulaNova said..
If you are unlucky enough to be exposed to the virus...I hope for most people this does not become an issue.
FTFY
I hope you can 'fix' your own health if you end up getting sick from Covid. Clearly the people that have died or even gotten severely ill from Covid never thought it would be an issue for them. Its human nature that ' it's not going to happen to me... blah blah, I eat macro nutrients, and am not overweight '.
A lot of people that caught nasty Covid were in hospital or a nursing home. It's fair to suggest a lot of them would have cottoned on to the idea that something was amiss with their health by then.
You say 'a lot'. Did you mean "all" or are you conceding that some (i.e. more than zero) caught Covid without any underlying health issues?
Yes. I concede.
Many will get the virus to no consequence.
My figures have about one in fifty thousand dying for no apparent reason although myocarditis is common in those cases but we don't usually test for it so you wouldn't see it coming in a healthy person. And for each that dies there's always more that suffer a post viral infection and that **** can linger for months.
You may have me mixed up with the CT Nutter anti vaxxers. I'm more about the importance of the Nurumberg code.
Covid bad. Healthy person die.
Select to expand quotejapie said..FormulaNova said..japie said..FormulaNova said..kiterboy said..FormulaNova said..
If you are unlucky enough to be exposed to the virus...I hope for most people this does not become an issue.
FTFY
I hope you can 'fix' your own health if you end up getting sick from Covid. Clearly the people that have died or even gotten severely ill from Covid never thought it would be an issue for them. Its human nature that ' it's not going to happen to me... blah blah, I eat macro nutrients, and am not overweight '.
Take a look at the data on infection fatality rates from Stanford. Across 32 different locations the median infection fatality rate was .27%. Less than 3 people in 1000,
Medication using the irrefutably effective protocols established by doctors worldwide reduce that by between 74 and 86%. Less than one person in 1000.
We know that those chaps that die usually have co morbidities. Vitamin D deficiency, Zinc, diabetes, stuffing your face disease etc..
I have none of those, I've cycled over 200 K's in the past week and run over 20.
I don't THINK it is not an issue for me,
I know it is not.
Oh and I have a box of ivermectin in my desk drawer!
Japie, which one of these do you think was not as fit as you, and which ones do you think might have been fitter than you?
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/super-fit-twin-brother-dies-of-covid-after-refusing-covid-jab/news-story/53bc99404607526f007514148f794aea
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/influencer-33-who-thought-covid-didnt-exist-dies-after-catching-the-virus/news-story/56dc92f704419cf0bcd2bf8f9ef4392d
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-researchers-warn-of-longterm-covid19-side-effects/news-story/65bc5e986281d6e0fbb690d3513a5369
I'm not as fit as most of them, so I will stick to the vaccine.
Unlike you I have only done about 120kms on the bike in the last week, and I hate running. I am not sure how many kms on the bike will keep me 'Covid immune', so I will take my chance with the jab.
Ivermectin mate. Ivermectin
Prophylaxis
This situation we are in and look like being in in perpetuity could be but a distant memory had we taken the medicate instead of vaccinate route.
I have mentioned this before,... prophylaxis... you need to use it before catching Covid, so how is it going to do you any good in your desk drawer? I am going to ignore the dosage required to show any effect, but that's between you and your life.
You are taking Ivermectin now? If not, why not, and why the mention of prophylaxis? If you are taking it, good luck.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..FormulaNova said..kiterboy said..FormulaNova said..kiterboy said..FormulaNova said..
If you are unlucky enough to be exposed to the virus...I hope for most people this does not become an issue.
FTFY
I hope you can 'fix' your own health if you end up getting sick from Covid. Clearly the people that have died or even gotten severely ill from Covid never thought it would be an issue for them. Its human nature that ' it's not going to happen to me... blah blah, I eat macro nutrients, and am not overweight '.
Hmmm, I thought you were a fan of logic a few posts ago...
Survivorship bias or survival bias is the logical error of concentrating on the people or things that made it past some selection process and overlooking those that did not, typically because of their lack of visibility. This can lead to some false conclusions in several different ways. It is a form of selection bias.
Although I suppose in the case of SARS-Cov-2 it should be called non-survivorship bias.
What loop of logic links my post to yours? are you going off on some tangent that you want to because I can't see the link.
Some people have thought they were healthy enough to survive Covid with no effects, and some have died. As I have used the word 'some' it implies that there are others that may have had health issues.
Clearly the fact that 'some' very healthy people have gotten ill or even died suggests that no one knows if it is going to affect them in a bad way or not. Its your roll of the dice, go for it.
Sure, and SOME people who want to become rockstars actually make it, many thousands don't.
If you can't follow the logic in that, well, it explains a lot really.
hah! Hilarious, you are a tool and you don't even realise why. I think I know why you are a tool, but you are probably not sure yourself.
After just trying to lecture me on survivor-bias, you are basing your chances of survival on the ones that survive Covid with no legacy issues.... because they have survived. Survivor-bias. Hah!
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..
Hey, FN.
I looked at your first two links (for the two out of six million) and...heart attack and liver failure - yep, undoubtly entirely from covid, and nothing to do with excessive 'roid abuse. I mean 'roid abuse has never been known to cause those issues.
Although it probably did allow them to get some awesome insta pics unlike covid.
BS! You think that guy in the first one used steroids? No way! Absolutely no way! All the 'young guys' get ripped and bulked up like this these days because of better nutrition. Really! That's what they seem to say. Those arms are natural... cough cough cough... .. which is absolute BS... but I feel I want to argue with you anyway. I agree, at least with the second guy I would suspect his heart problems are clearly from roid use/abuse.
Well, for all we know Japie could be one of them. If he is, he has been warned. Don't mix steroids and Ivermectin, unless the steroids are horse steroids and the ivermectin to suit
I would go off on my 'old-man anecdotes' about steroids and natural and the clear difference between them, but I don't want to give kiterboy a stiffie.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..FormulaNova said..psychojoe said..FormulaNova said..kiterboy said..FormulaNova said..
If you are unlucky enough to be exposed to the virus...I hope for most people this does not become an issue.
FTFY
I hope you can 'fix' your own health if you end up getting sick from Covid. Clearly the people that have died or even gotten severely ill from Covid never thought it would be an issue for them. Its human nature that ' it's not going to happen to me... blah blah, I eat macro nutrients, and am not overweight '.
A lot of people that caught nasty Covid were in hospital or a nursing home. It's fair to suggest a lot of them would have cottoned on to the idea that something was amiss with their health by then.
You say 'a lot'. Did you mean "all" or are you conceding that some (i.e. more than zero) caught Covid without any underlying health issues?
Yes. I concede.
Many will get the virus to no consequence.
My figures have about one in fifty thousand dying for no apparent reason although myocarditis is common in those cases but we don't usually test for it so you wouldn't see it coming in a healthy person. And for each that dies there's always more that suffer a post viral infection and that **** can linger for months.
You may have me mixed up with the CT Nutter anti vaxxers. I'm more about the importance of the Nurumberg code.
Covid bad. Healthy person die.
Please stop trying to drag me into the realm of logic and common-sense. I refuse and would prefer it if you instead turned to name-calling and insults. It's only natural for this topic!
As an aside, sort of inline with what you are saying, if I were in my 70s and had a few minor ailments, I would still want to live another 20 years and I would be pretty annoyed if someone else decided that my last 10 to 20 years was not worth it.
