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And if we want a climate scientist, I choose Dr Bhatt from Imperial college, his modelling had over 100million people dying from Covid in 2020. That happened didn't it.
I wasn't trying to suggest that Rancourt should be dismissed because he is not a climate scientist.
More that as an active climate denier, who claims his analysis of the climate data proves it is all a hoax, he perhaps doesn't have the best track record with statistics.
(Edit for typo)
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The Potential for Autoimmune Disorders
There is a potential for an autoimmune response from the vaccines. The vaccines that were developed for Sars-Cov-1 used the spike protein, just like the vaccines for Sars-Cov-2.
Unfortunately, the old vaccines caused the animals to develop serious autoimmune disorders and causing severe organ damage.
There is a question about whether these new vaccines, which also focus on the spike protein, will also cause autoimmune disorders.
Since both the old vaccines and the new vaccines utilize the spike protein to elicit an immune response, there is a danger that the new vaccines will have the same issues.
The problem is that autoimmune disorders take a long time to develop and to be detectable. It may take a long time before doctors and scientists can link the sudden rise in certain kinds of autoimmune disorders with these vaccines.
Usually, in a vaccine trial you closely monitor your trial group for years and years. This allows you to identify the signals.
With the current program of injecting millions of people, there will be no clear way to link causation to the vaccines and an increase in autoimmune disorders may just fly under the radar.
We may not know for a very long time or we may never know. Another concern is that because of the way the mRNA vaccines work, they cause your own cells to present as foreign entities.
Your immune system comes over and starts killing your own cells. This has never been done before in human history.
We have no idea if there will be long term consequences for teaching your immune system to treat its own cells as foreign material. We will have to wait and see whether this will lead to autoimmune disorders.
This means that caution, at the very least, is justified and rational.
Journal article from 2004 on autoimmune disorders from Sars-cov1 vaccine that also focused on the spike protein:
www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2004/12/sars-vaccine-linked-liver-damage-ferret-study
Journal article from 2005 on autoimmune disorders from Sars-cov1 vaccine that also focused on the spike protein:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15755610/
Journal article from 2012 on autoimmune disorders from Sars-cov1 vaccine that also focused on the spike protein:
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421
Journal article from 2020 on autoimmune disorders from Sars-cov vaccine (can't figure out if they're talking about cov1 or 2):
jvi.asm.org/content/78/22/12672.abstract
Journal article from 2020 explains why immune disorders happen with covid vax, because human and Covid19 proteins are similar:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589909020300186
Since both the old vaccines and the new vaccines utilize the spike protein to elicit an immune response, there is a danger that the new vaccines will have the same issues.
Viral infection can cause auto-immune disease, and is in fact much more common than any suspected vaccine induced auto-immune reaction (eg. old flu vaccine and guillan-barr).
The problem is that autoimmune disorders take a long time to develop and to be detectable.
Viral induced auto-immune disease usually shows up within months, guillan-barr is typically tracked back to a viral infection in the previous six weeks before on set of symptoms (not ID or diagnoses).
Usually, in a vaccine trial you closely monitor your trial group for years and years.
To track long term effects, like how well does the protection hold up over long periods of time, are boosters required (like tetanus, whooping cough, hepatitis etc)
With the current program of injecting millions of people, there will be no clear way to link causation to the vaccines and an increase in autoimmune disorders may just fly under the radar.
With over 5 billion doses of vaccines administered in less than 12 months, surely it won't be too hard to identify a sudden spike in specific auto-immune disorders over the next couple of years (even if the onset is delayed that long)
Your immune system comes over and starts killing your own cells. This has never been done before in human history.
That is exactly how the human immune system combats any viral infection, thats what cytotoxic T Cells and natural killer cells do. All that has changed is the method of getting the immune system to recognise the virus.
(I even dug out my old biology text book to check that, so we have understood that part of our immune system for at least 20 years)
Journal article from 2020 on autoimmune disorders from Sars-cov vaccine (can't figure out if they're talking about cov1 or 2):
jvi.asm.org/content/78/22/12672.abstract
Says that using recombinant modified vaccinia virus Ankara (rMVA) expressing the SARS-CoV spike protein resulted in vaccinated ferrets being more likely to develop hepatitis after SARS-COV infection, but that was not what they were studying so caution should be taken when doing future studies with humans (well duh)
Journal article from 2020 explains why immune disorders happen with covid vax, because human and Covid19 proteins are similar:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589909020300186
It's essentially just a hypothesis, he looked at the protein chains and thought because of similarity to human proteins then it might be a problem.
He refers to the study above with the ferrets, the whole pathogenic priming by vaccination before getting infected with the actual disease. (Cool, no mention of follow up studies if any)
And I'll just quote him directly from his last paragraph
the involvement of pathogenic priming in re-infection by COVID-19 is a theoretical possibility; of course no vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 has yet been tested in animals and therefore we do not yet know if pathogenic priming is in fact expected.
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Vaccine Enhanced Immune Escape
Vaccine enhanced immune escape occurs when a poorly designed or weak vaccine helps create new variants.
This happens in the exact same way as antibiotic resistance and regular old evolution.
In the case of evolution, if you want to make an organism stronger, you put it under evolutionarily unfavorable conditions. This way you kill all the weak examples of the organism and leave just the strong ones.
If you want heat resistant bacteria, put a petri dish full of bacteria under moderately high heat to kill 99% of the bacteria. Save the 1% that were able to survive, allow them to grow, and repeat the process over and over again while turning up the heat a little each time.
Do this until you have a population of bacteria that are all extremely heat resistant.
The same process occurs with antibiotic resistance.
When you only take half your meds, you kill 99% of the bacteria and leave only the 1% that were more resistant to the drugs.
Before they were a small part of the population but you've changed the conditions of their environment, so that they have an advantage.
You've killed all the normal bacteria that the mutant variants had to compete with so the antibiotic resistant bacteria are the only strain. So they surge in population to take over your body and now the antibiotics don't work very well either.
The principles apply to viruses and vaccines.
If you produce a vaccine that elicits a weak immune response, you are creating an unfavorable environment for the virus. You'll kill the weak 99%, and leave the 1% mutant virus particles that are not hindered by the vaccine's antibodies.
Whereas before these mutants were only a tiny part of the population and would have been unlikely to gain significantly in population.
Now the environment is in their favor and these mutant virus particles surge in number because they no longer have to compete with the other virus particles and your bodies defenses do not work against them.
They are now highly likely to transmit to the next person, whereas before they would likely not have been able to leave the host in which the mutation occured.
The current covid vaccines are good at creating variants for three reasons.
First, some vaccine manufacturers require two shots and now also boosters because the first shot produces a very weak immune response.
Second, the vaccines are very leaky. Even after you have gotten a full immune response from both shots, you can still get and transmit the virus onto others.
Well, which virus particles are likely to get passed on by a fully vaccinated person? Clearly they will be those virus particles that have the ability to multiply quickly while avoiding the antibodies produced by the vaccines.
This will create very virulent and antibody resistant variants. Watch for these variants in the news as time goes on, we're already seeing things like Delta, Lambda, Eplsion, etc.
As we implement boosters, they will start to come at faster and faster rates, and over time data scientists will start to see timed correlations between the implementation of mass boosters and the emergence of new strains.
Third, the vaccines do seem to help reduce the severity of the disease when people are infected (although this may change as new variants emerge).
Why would this be a concern?
Well, because of the leakiness of the vaccines we just spoke about. If you have very low symptoms but you can still get and transmit the virus, then you won't even realize that you're sick and you'll be spreading the virus to even more people as an asymptomatic carrier.
So, these vaccines will only increase transmission by creating more and more asymptomatic carriers (although this may not be a bad thing, if everyone in the world gets the virus and everyone is asymptomatic, then there's really no need to care about covid anymore.
But this is an unrealistic idealization that is unlikely to occur, some people will still get sick and die or suffer long haul covid).
One additional point to address here is the claim that the unvaccinated are causing the emergence of new vaccine resistant variants.
Let me be clear, the unvaccinated absolutely have the ability to facilitate the creation of new variants. However, it would require a statistically enormous number of people to get the virus before they could produce a new variant by chance.
This is because a mutant virus particle will only make up a small portion of the virus population inside a person's body. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that this particular particle will be able to spread to a new person.
Whereas, in the vaccinated, their weak immune response specifically selects for the mutant variants. It is highly likely that if a vaccinated person passes on the virus to another person, the particles they pass on will be those that have the ability to escape from the immune response elicited by the vaccines.
An analogy would be if you did an experiment with 500 room temperature petri dishes filled with bacteria and 500 heated petri dishes with bacteria, then found a heat resistant variant but didn't know which dish it came from.
It would be absurd to think that the heat resistant strain of bacteria came from the room temperature petri dishes. It would possible, sure, but completely improbable that the heat resistant strain had suddenly appeared in a room temp petri dish. There would be no reason for it to become a dominant strain in that environment. Logically, statistically, and evolutionarily, it must have come from the heated petri dishes.
This is a very basic and obvious conclusion, but the media and government bureaucrats in lab coats are trying to tell you that the absurd thing is true.
They're trying to say that the unvaccinated (the room temperature petri dishes) are where the vaccine resistant strains are coming from.
Geert Vanden Bossche is a virologist who has been sounding the alarm on this issue, you can visit his website or see a full collection of his videos down below:
www.geertvandenbossche.org/
Evidence of cov2 immune escape:
science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/06/30/science.abi7994
Article from 2015 that explains how imperfect vaccination (like the Pfizer and moderna that require at least two shots to be effective) can create immune escape variants:
journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198
Article from 2021 explains that unless vaccination is done quickly, there will be a high probability of escape mutants:
www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95025-3
CDC warns COVID-19 may be a few mutations away from evading vaccines. The virus isn't mutating to avoid the vaccines because of unvaccinated people, it's because the vaccines are putting evolutionary pressure on the virus:
nypost.com/2021/07/27/cdc-covid-19-may-be-a-few-mutations-away-from-evading-vaccines/
First, some vaccine manufacturers require two shots and now also boosters because the first shot produces a very weak immune response.
That's why we're trying to get people fully vaccinated before they get exposed.
Even after you have gotten a full immune response from both shots, you can still get and transmit the virus onto others.
Studies are showing that vaccinated will carry lower viral load, be less infectious while sick, recover faster, cough and sneeze less.
so they will spread the virus less.
we're already seeing things like Delta, Lambda, Eplsion
Delta emerged well before vaccination began and quickly became the dominant strain. Now, after more than 8 months of vaccination programs worldwide and over 5 Billion doses administered there hasn't been a newvery virulent and antibody resistant variants emerge like Delta. YET. all the more reason to get on top of this before that happens
Well, because of the leakiness of the vaccines we just spoke about. If you have very low symptoms but you can still get and transmit the virus, then you won't even realize that you're sick and you'll be spreading the virus to even more people as an asymptomatic carrier.
That's why we can't just open the doors and borders as soon as we hit 70%, that's why I sincerely hope people learn some basic hygiene lessons from this whole debacle and continue to keep covering their face when they cough and sneeze, wash their hands, keep your personal space at the checkout etc. Until we've got vaccinations rates high enough that you will likely only be spreading the small amount of virus (cos you're vaccinated) to other vaccinated people.
Let me be clear, the unvaccinated absolutely have the ability to facilitate the creation of new variants. However, it would require a statistically enormous number of people to get the virus before they could produce a new variant by chance.
Well that is where Delta, Lambda and Epsilon came from.
How about 215 Million infected people? Is that enough? (that's a low ball number, we know there are countries out there that aren't super good at reporting them, like China reckons they had less than 100,000 cases)
This is a very basic and obvious conclusion, but the media and government bureaucrats in lab coats are trying to tell you that the absurd thing is true.
They're trying to say that the unvaccinated (the room temperature petri dishes) are where the vaccine resistant strains are coming from.
They're aware of it, that's one of the reasons they want to get on top of the pandemic before this happens.
To follow your analogy about antibiotic resistant bacteria, that is why you always finish a course of antibiotics even after symptoms have faded. To ensure you have killed off all the bacteria.
Quote from Professor Peter Doherty last month
So there lies the question for SARS-CoV-2: is the much lower (than for flu or HIV) prevalence of mutation for the CoVs sufficient to provide immune escape variants that can both change at the RBD site to avoid neutralisation (blocking of binding to ACE-2) while providing a modified RBD that still enables a high level of infection, replication and transmission? The answer is, of course, that we don't know. And what is equally certain is that we will be 'instructed by nature' and find out. Next week, we'll discuss possible scenarios suggested by this type of reasoning.
Evidence of cov2 immune escape:
science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/06/30/science.abi7994
Yep, but vaccine provided better response than natural infection "However, these data also underscore the higher quality of Ab responses induced by vaccination compared with infection and their enhanced resilience to mutations found in VOC."
Article from 2021 explains that unless vaccination is done quickly, there will be a high probability of escape mutants:
www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95025-3
Yep, Do it right the First time! Vaccinate thoroughly and fast, then don't open up too soon!
"Indeed, it seems likely that when a large fraction of the population is vaccinated, especially the high-risk fraction of the population (aged individuals and those with specific underlying conditions) policy makers and individuals will be driven to return to pre-pandemic guidelines and behaviours conducive to a high rate of virus transmission. However, the establishment of a resistant strain at that time may lead to serial rounds of resistant strain evolution with vaccine development playing catch up in the evolutionary arms race against novel strains."
"we show that a period of transmission reduction close to the end of the vaccination campaign can substantially reduce the probability of resistant strain establishment. Our results suggest that policymakers and individuals should consider maintaining non-pharmaceutical interventions and transmission-reducing behaviours throughout the entire vaccination period.
This last paragraph of the discussion is particularly relevant to the majority of (almost) polite discussion in this thread
"One simple specific recommendation is to keep transmission low even when a large fraction of the population has been vaccinated by implementing acute non-pharmaceutical interventions (i.e. strict adherence to social distancing) for a reasonable period of time, to allow emergent lineages of resistant strains to go extinct through stochastic genetic drift. The implementation of non-pharmaceutical measures at a time of high vaccination can also help reduce infectivity when the efficacy of vaccines is not perfect. Additional factors that may make these measures even more effective are: (1) increased and widespread testing, (2) rigorous contact tracing, (3) high rate of viral sequencing of positive cases and (4) travel restrictions. Finally, while our model formally considers only one homogenous population, our data also suggest that delays in vaccination in some countries relative to others will make the global emergence of a vaccine-resistant strain more likely. Without global coordination, vaccine resistant strains may be eliminated in some populations but could persist in others. Thus, a truly global vaccination effort may be necessary to reduce the chances of a global spread of a resistant strain."
That's quite the comment there D3.
You seem quite sure of yourself so I won't bother picking the whole thing apart.
To say that previous glycoprotein vaccines resulted in increased cases of hepatitis while promoting the current batch seems paradoxical.
Anyway, the Pfizer has no side effects. I just read the consent form given to school children, followed it four links deep, still no side effects. I guess they were just made up.
And the Y Wang et al study is a joke, far too many weaknesses to inform policy, very low n.
Danmask also had it's limitations but it was a good indication that more research should be carried out in the same vain.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..
That's quite the comment there D3.
You seem quite sure of yourself so I won't bother picking the whole thing apart.
To say that previous glycoprotein vaccines resulted in increased cases of hepatitis while promoting the current batch seems paradoxical.
Anyway, the Pfizer has no side effects. I just read the consent form given to school children, followed it four links deep, still no side effects. I guess they were just made up.
One previous trial of a vaccine using rMVA in ferrets suggested that more studies should be done.
Didn't claim the new mRNA vaccines caused hepatitis
Don't complain about consent forms here, take it up with people who can actually change that.
Select to expand quoteD3 said..japie said..
Some very good information in these interviews.
Professor Denis Rancourt in the first session, (starting at 54 minutes), does a great pr?cis of his statistical analysis.
www.ukcolumn.org/video/doctors-for-covid-ethics-symposium-session-1-the-false-pandemic
The same Rancourt who claims masks don't work and that climate change is a myth?
Happy for you to pick it apart.
I might learn something new.
And it only looks big on a phone screen. Print it out in small font on A3 and it looks miniscule. 
Select to expand quotejapie said..D3 said..japie said..
Some very good information in these interviews.
Professor Denis Rancourt in the first session, (starting at 54 minutes), does a great pr?cis of his statistical analysis.
www.ukcolumn.org/video/doctors-for-covid-ethics-symposium-session-1-the-false-pandemic
The same Rancourt who claims masks don't work and that climate change is a myth?
Water vapour is just a little different to aerosol and droplets.
And it highlights the importance of a proper fitting or sealing mask
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..
She said transparency, she obviously meant obfuscation.
Absolutely frightening to think that "entities" have been given the authority to impose their fantasies on the population.
As I've said before looking on the positive side it has the potential of waking up the critical mass that it will take to effect meaningful change.
So, tell me this. Why does every person in an OR wear a medical mask when surgery is being performed?Select to expand quotejapie said..
Just got an email from my (USA based) employer. Not allowed to do any type of work related domestic or international travel without proof of being vaccinated. Not allowed in the office in SF without proof of being vaccinated.
In simple terms, I'm unable to do my job if I'm not vaccinated.
Select to expand quoteHarrow said..
Just got an email from my (USA based) employer. Not allowed to do any type of work related domestic or international travel without proof of being vaccinated. Not allowed in the office in SF without proof of being vaccinated.
In simple terms, I'm unable to do my job if I'm not vaccinated.
I'm fully vaccinated, think everyone should be (unless your GP says otherwise etc. etc.) but i think this is going too far, and does not actually achieve anything.
Or, i am not understanding the benefits?
You will still catch COVID while immunised, however you are highly likely have only minor symptoms, if any. The viral load you are carrying and shedding (urgh; that term) will be the same as a non-vaccinated, contagious person, however for a much shorter period of time. So, overall you are far less contagious if/when you catch it being immunised, but contagious nonetheless.
At some point we are all going to mingle again. If you've decided to remain non-immunised then it's on you. Good luck. I won't be able to avoid you forever, may as well mingle now.
Select to expand quoteD3 said..japie said..D3 said..japie said..
Some very good information in these interviews.
Professor Denis Rancourt in the first session, (starting at 54 minutes), does a great pr?cis of his statistical analysis.
www.ukcolumn.org/video/doctors-for-covid-ethics-symposium-session-1-the-false-pandemic
The same Rancourt who claims masks don't work and that climate change is a myth?
Water vapour is just a little different to aerosol and droplets.
And it highlights the importance of a proper fitting or sealing mask
Really?
I spend quite a lot of time inoculating Petri dishes in front of a .3 micron laminar flow hood, (HEPA). The level of mould and bacteria contamination under these conditions is fascinating. And very frustrating. Mould spores are like the Battle Ship Galactica in size comparison to viruses.
Rest assured anyone who believes masks have anything other than a cosmetic effect is seriously labouring under an illusion.
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That's quite the comment there D3.
You seem quite sure of yourself so I won't bother picking the whole thing apart.
To say that previous glycoprotein vaccines resulted in increased cases of hepatitis while promoting the current batch seems paradoxical.
Anyway, the Pfizer has no side effects. I just read the consent form given to school children, followed it four links deep, still no side effects. I guess they were just made up.
One previous trial of a vaccine using rMVA in ferrets suggested that more studies should be done.
Didn't claim the new mRNA vaccines caused hepatitis
Don't complain about consent forms here, take it up with people who can actually change that.
D3 . I am still a "leper" and have been holding out and buying time for safer options for myself and mainly my children . Novavax is one I have been following for over 6 months however it keeps getting delayed.
What are your views on Novavax?
Dr Robert Malone is more positive on this more traditional vaccine
Select to expand quoteHarrow said..
So, tell me this. Why does every person in an OR wear a medical mask when surgery is being performed?japie said..
To prevent those embarrassing spit balls that occasionally land on your face when you are talking to someone??
Select to expand quoteevlPanda said..
You will still catch COVID while immunised, however you are highly likely have only minor symptoms, if any. The viral load you are carrying and shedding (urgh; that term) will be the same as a non-vaccinated, contagious person, however for a much shorter period of time. So, overall you are far less contagious if/when you catch it being immunised, but contagious nonetheless.
Seriously Evil! How on earth can anyone possibly know that?
For starters it is an established fact that people have caught Covid and not realised they have had it. If they'd been vaccinated? What then? Would their state of well being have reached euphoria?
Its a logical fallacy to say that the symptoms will be reduced because it it is impossible to quantify what the symptoms would have been.
This is yet another example of the pharmacological doublespeak used to convince people.
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So, tell me this. Why does every person in an OR wear a medical mask when surgery is being performed?japie said..
I only asked one surgeon your question.
"It's so I don't get the patients blood spatters in my mouth"
I guarantee I can find another that believes his protects against Covid, but that won't make him right.
And unsurprisingly surgical masks are more than two levels below the minimum level of protection required in the Covid ward.
Select to expand quoteevlPanda said..Harrow said..
Just got an email from my (USA based) employer. Not allowed to do any type of work related domestic or international travel without proof of being vaccinated. Not allowed in the office in SF without proof of being vaccinated.
In simple terms, I'm unable to do my job if I'm not vaccinated.
I'm fully vaccinated, think everyone should be (unless your GP says otherwise etc. etc.) but i think this is going too far, and does not actually achieve anything.
Or, i am not understanding the benefits?
You will still catch COVID while immunised, however you are highly likely have only minor symptoms, if any. The viral load you are carrying and shedding (urgh; that term) will be the same as a non-vaccinated, contagious person, however for a much shorter period of time. So, overall you are far less contagious if/when you catch it being immunised, but contagious nonetheless.
At some point we are all going to mingle again. If you've decided to remain non-immunised then it's on you. Good luck. I won't be able to avoid you forever, may as well mingle now.
It's to protect the unvaccinated, who could sue if they become infected at work and become seriously ill. By requiring all employees to be vaccinated it is highly unlikely any will get seriously ill, no court cases even if contacted at work.
Just makes life much easier for the employer, no need to segregate vaxed and unvaxed.
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Absolutely frightening to think that "entities" have been given the authority to impose their fantasies on the population.
As I've said before looking on the positive side it has the potential of waking up the critical mass that it will take to effect meaningful change.
Yes it is absolutely frightening that a small hand full are gullible enough to believe a video from over seas saying its a government organized mass culling of humans. Can understand questioning which vax or treatment, but the CT nutters always think something is evil, frightening and scary.
And you are right, the critical mass have woken up, another 200 000 people vaxed again today, how many million is that now in Aus ?
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Covid is an ineffective killer, the black plague was in a league of it's own.
I dont think your allowed to call it the " black " plague any more
Yeah covid might not be as effective as the plague, but can still do serious damage.
One of Brazils mass burial site since covid, but its ok, the majority of the bodys under the crosses were over 60 so really old and the ones under 60 had asthma and other conditions, so they dont count
Next the nutters will be saying that all these fake graves with no one in them has caused major deforestation across the world, but only on the flat side. lol
Select to expand quotechoco said..
Covid is an ineffective killer, the black plague was in a league of it's own.
Nah. We've got ivermectin now, so it's been neutered
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Covid is an ineffective killer, the black plague was in a league of it's own.
I dont think your allowed to call it the " black " plague any more
Yeah covid might not be as effective as the plague, but can still do serious damage.
One of Brazils mass burial site since covid, but its ok, the majority of the bodys under the crosses were over 60 so really old and the ones under 60 had asthma and other conditions, so they dont count
Next the nutters will be saying that all these fake graves with no one in them has caused major deforestation across the world, but only on the flat side. lol
You keep on nurturing your lemon Sunshine. There's nothing more satisfying at a circus than watching the clowns and I've got one at my beck and call without the inconvenience of having to purchase a ticket??
Sorry, you can not enter the circus without a covid passport, please stay behind the white line with the couple of other sick looking
And Im sure you will stand there till your over lords on rumble and youtube tell you what to do next. lol
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The lab studies that proved masks work completely dismissed the human factors of wearing a mask.
The only study that accommodates the fact that humans touch their face is an observational population cohort study which in this case is much more beneficial than an RCT.
But with such compelling results it was only done once.
So notable is the study that I bet you can name it without my help.
Find the studies on mask effectiveness that are pre-2020....
