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Created by theselkie > 9 months ago, 21 Nov 2018
Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 1239 posts
23 Jul 2019 4:47PM
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Ramona said..

Bundeenabuoy said..


Ramona said..
Not sure of the hull construction but this looks interesting.

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/stockton/sail-boats/10-mtr-yacht-for-sale-swap-must-be-sold-asap-make-a-offer/1223891527




I had a long talk with the owner Sunday morning.
He said the motor runs well in neutral, but problems when in gear. Sounds under stress.
He thinks there is possibly seaweed or barnacles on the prop stopping it from opening?



Did the owner mention what the hull construction was? Plenty of photos of "Lawless" online.


No, but we will talk again

Ramona
NSW, 7490 posts
23 Jul 2019 6:30PM
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No, but we will talk again


Price has just dropped again!

Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 1239 posts
24 Jul 2019 5:52AM
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Ramona said..

Bundeenabuoy said..


Ramona said..




No, but we will talk again



Price has just dropped again!


The time is not right for me

Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 1239 posts
24 Jul 2019 8:39PM
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Ramona said..

Bundeenabuoy said..


Ramona said..
Not sure of the hull construction but this looks interesting.

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/stockton/sail-boats/10-mtr-yacht-for-sale-swap-must-be-sold-asap-make-a-offer/1223891527




I had a long talk with the owner Sunday morning.
He said the motor runs well in neutral, but problems when in gear. Sounds under stress.
He thinks there is possibly seaweed or barnacles on the prop stopping it from opening?



Did the owner mention what the hull construction was? Plenty of photos of "Lawless" online.


I had another talk with the owner today and yes its fibreglass.
So running the engine in gear is the problem.
He said after two years without using it, the propellor will have barnacles all over it, or weed wrapped around the propellor and that is causing the problem?
I plan to have it antifouled and the propellor problem looked at while the boat is out of the water?
Please what are your thoughts on this issue?

A lessor issue are the running backstays?

Ramona
NSW, 7490 posts
25 Jul 2019 8:40AM
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Ramona said..


I had another talk with the owner today and yes its fibreglass.
So running the engine in gear is the problem.
He said after two years without using it, the propellor will have barnacles all over it, or weed wrapped around the propellor and that is causing the problem?
I plan to have it antifouled and the propellor problem looked at while the boat is out of the water?
Please what are your thoughts on this issue?

A lessor issue are the running backstays?


The saildrive might be a big ball of shell or cunjevoi. Best bet is to take a swim and have a look.

Ramona
NSW, 7490 posts
26 Jul 2019 9:07AM
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Ramona said..
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/stockton/sail-boats/10-mtr-yacht-for-sale-swap-must-be-sold-asap-make-a-offer/1223891527


More pictures on the ad now. Presume it's 'glass construction, interior looks like flowcoat. Running backstays. Nice race boat.


Quoting my own posts again! Ad now states composite GRP construction. With a hull displacement of 3380kg that might be foam or triple skin timber. That's a light 33 footer!

Windjana
WA, 393 posts
26 Jul 2019 10:09AM
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Now, here's a yacht advertised as a "Performance Cruiser".
I suppose everybody has their own ideas on what a cruiser is, but to me, this looks like it is BIG on performance and very light on cruiser.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/offshore-performance-cruiser/235809

Ramona
NSW, 7490 posts
26 Jul 2019 5:31PM
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Now, here's a yacht advertised as a "Performance Cruiser".
I suppose everybody has their own ideas on what a cruiser is, but to me, this looks like it is BIG on performance and very light on cruiser.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/offshore-performance-cruiser/235809


Needs some bean bags for seats, then it's a cruiser!

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
26 Jul 2019 7:39PM
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yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/bluewater-cruising-yachts-samoric-41-cutter/235755

I like this apart from the running backstays .....twin engines !!

cisco
QLD, 12321 posts
26 Jul 2019 11:13PM
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I suppose everybody has their own ideas on what a cruiser is, but to me, this looks like it is BIG on performance and very light on cruiser.


Well I reckon it is not so light cruiser. Whatever, at $175k it looks like an awesome piece of kit if it is still in good nick after 18 years.

The ad says easily handled by two people. Maybe around the marina but not out in the big blue briny where she wants to be.

She has the cruising comforts enough with four singles and a double, good galley and ice boxesand a bath cubicle with room for two.

Ramona's bean bags under that unbelievable bimini top with a couple of wenches, cocktails in hand sounds like cruising to me.

If three or four young sailors bought this yacht to do a whirlwind tour of the world this one will do it for them at 30 knots.

Absolute sexiest bimini ever.





cisco
QLD, 12321 posts
26 Jul 2019 11:35PM
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I like this apart from the running backstays .....twin engines !!


That's a beautiful hunk of boat. Looks like it would sleep a dozen. Nice fit out and yes twin exposed flywheel Volvos.

Cutter rig you pretty much gotta have runners mate.

garymalmgren
1139 posts
26 Jul 2019 10:04PM
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Looks like you don't need much antifouling paint too.
gotta be a cost saver

Gary

Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 1239 posts
27 Jul 2019 4:21AM
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Ramona said..


Ramona said..
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/stockton/sail-boats/10-mtr-yacht-for-sale-swap-must-be-sold-asap-make-a-offer/1223891527


More pictures on the ad now. Presume it's 'glass construction, interior looks like flowcoat. Running backstays. Nice race boat.




Quoting my own posts again! Ad now states composite GRP construction. With a hull displacement of 3380kg that might be foam or triple skin timber. That's a light 33 footer!


Planning to look at this next Tuesday.
I like it because of its speed, and am planning to race it.
My first step will be to get it back safely to Sydney from Stockton.
I am planning overnights in Swansea and Broken Bay.
I will have it antifouled and the engine serviced at Midcoast Marine.
Is there any advice you would like to give me?

Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 1239 posts
27 Jul 2019 5:08AM
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Ramona said..


Bundeenabuoy said..



Ramona said..
Not sure of the hull construction but this looks interesting.

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/stockton/sail-boats/10-mtr-yacht-for-sale-swap-must-be-sold-asap-make-a-offer/1223891527





I had a long talk with the owner Sunday morning.
He said the motor runs well in neutral, but problems when in gear. Sounds under stress.
He thinks there is possibly seaweed or barnacles on the prop stopping it from opening?




Did the owner mention what the hull construction was? Plenty of photos of "Lawless" online.



Can I solve the issue of sailing single handed with the running backstays, by having a reef put in the main which will allow me to tack and jibe without having to touch the backstays?

Ramona
NSW, 7490 posts
27 Jul 2019 8:37AM
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Can I solve the issue of sailing single handed with the running backstays, by having a reef put in the main which will allow me to tack and jibe without having to touch the backstays?


Looking at Lawless with a crew sitting out on the rails I reckon sailing solo with 15 knots over the deck you would have the first reef in the main anyway. The backstays could be left on. In light breezes I should imagine the running backstays would mainly be used for spinnaker work. For solo sailing this boat is going to be fast off the wind with just white sails. I've never sailed a boat with running backstays so some experienced sailor might need to step up and comment here.
Lawless is balsa sandwich construction and I'm guessing this one is too. Check whether the core goes under the waterline as well.
Photo is of "Hot August Night" which is a bit bigger but with a similar rig and shows the stb runner on.



SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
27 Jul 2019 9:09AM
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SandS said..
I like this apart from the running backstays .....twin engines !!



That's a beautiful hunk of boat. Looks like it would sleep a dozen. Nice fit out and yes twin exposed flywheel Volvos.

Cutter rig you pretty much gotta have runners mate.


yes very interesting , [ in a good way ] yacht . If I had 85 k plus another 60 or 70 k to repair stuff i would be going to have a look .

Jolene
WA, 1566 posts
27 Jul 2019 7:17AM
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Can I solve the issue of sailing single handed with the running backstays, by having a reef put in the main which will allow me to tack and jibe without having to touch the backstays?


The roach of the sail may still not clear the runners when tacking or if you have twist in the sail. If the sail rubs on them as it passes, it could end up damaging the stitching in the sail. Your topping lift to the boom may foul as well but not a huge problem to overcome.
A masthead spinnaker should be taken care of by the backstay. The runners are there for tensioning the headstay( opposing tension to the headstay)

Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 1239 posts
27 Jul 2019 9:35AM
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[b]Bundeenabuoy said..
Can I solve the issue of sailing single handed with the running backstays, by having a reef put in the main which will allow me to tack and jibe without having to touch the backstays?





The roach of the sail may still not clear the runners when tacking or if you have twist in the sail. If the sail rubs on them as it passes, it could end up damaging the stitching in the sail. Your topping lift to the boom may foul as well but not a huge problem to overcome.
A masthead spinnaker should be taken care of by the backstay. The runners are there for tensioning the headstay( opposing tension to the headstay)




There are two mainsails so I am thinking when I am cruising single handed I will use the older main with the appropriate reef put in it. or
have the leech trimmed to have the same effect? Clearing the running backstays when tacking or jibing?

I will discuss both options with my sailmaker.

My backup is the Yanmar 2GM engine. Even though it sounds like he has serviced it well, I feel I should have it serviced. Do you agree?

Ramona
NSW, 7490 posts
27 Jul 2019 6:19PM
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My backup is the Yanmar 2GM engine. Even though it sounds like he has serviced it well, I feel I should have it serviced. Do you agree?


I'd just change the oil twice a year and fuel filters once a year.

garymalmgren
1139 posts
27 Jul 2019 8:17PM
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My backup is the Yanmar 2GM engine. Even though it sounds like he has serviced it well, I feel I should have it serviced. Do you agree?
A service is usually, an oil change., a filter change and a listen to see if the tappets are noisy.
And of course writing out the bill.
If the oil change and filter change are recent, that's enough.

Check the belts for wear and alignment and carry spare belts
Carry a spare sea water pump impeller.
If you don't know when the impeller was last changed, you can change it and keep the old one as a spare.
This will give you practice at the job in benign conditions.

You will be sloshing around, so draining the fuel into borrowed tanks or containers and checking the bottom of the tank(s) for gunk would be a good idea.
If you are going to have any trouble with the engine I suspect that is what it will be.
When you run the engine, run it fast. Don't fart around trying to save fuel or not load the engine.
It's a diesel and it was made to work..

Here is a bit of single handed sailing with running backstays. As you will see Kevin doesn't tack often.
That is usually the case on a longer off shore passage.



Fair wind and kind seas.

gary

All@Sea
TAS, 230 posts
28 Jul 2019 10:44PM
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Very interesting! https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/campbell-town/sail-boats/sailing-boat/1224496722

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...I'm actually tempted.... can anyone tell me what the design is?

SRrat
WA, 240 posts
28 Jul 2019 9:39PM
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All@Sea said..
Very interesting! https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/campbell-town/sail-boats/sailing-boat/1224496722

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...I'm actually tempted.... can anyone tell me what the design is?


Go on, buy it! Then report back and let us all know how it sails.
Kinda looks like it might sail???
possible not so adaptable to a wide range of conditions though.

GKandCC
NSW, 218 posts
29 Jul 2019 1:02AM
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https://www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1983-sparkman-stephens-offshore-cutter/OAG-AD-17428313/?Cr=24






Really interesting 'dream boat'. Was interested to see it has 'in-mast' furling on a nearly 40m mast and was just wondering how strong people think these are...as I see it there must be some cylinder that the mainsail wraps around, this cylinder can only be 'anchored' at the top and bottom, is this strong enough?... there's a lot of force needing to be transmitted to the mast. A typical mainsail would mostly be using regularly spaced slugs in the mast tracks to transmit the forces. Would in-boom furling be stronger in these larger yachts since the boom is much shorter than the mast? Sorry, maybe should have started a new thread, bit off topic.

tarquin1
936 posts
29 Jul 2019 12:08AM
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SRrat said..

All@Sea said..
Very interesting! https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/campbell-town/sail-boats/sailing-boat/1224496722

(can't insert photo)

...I'm actually tempted.... can anyone tell me what the design is?



Go on, buy it! Then report back and let us all know how it sails.
Kinda looks like it might sail???
possible not so adaptable to a wide range of conditions though.


Looks like Darth Vader got into sailing but the force wasn't with him on this one.
But for 400 bucks you could put some foils on it and a proper sail.
Interesting concept though.

lydia
1738 posts
29 Jul 2019 3:40AM
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Ramona said..

Bundeenabuoy said..


Can I solve the issue of sailing single handed with the running backstays, by having a reef put in the main which will allow me to tack and jibe without having to touch the backstays?



Looking at Lawless with a crew sitting out on the rails I reckon sailing solo with 15 knots over the deck you would have the first reef in the main anyway. The backstays could be left on. In light breezes I should imagine the running backstays would mainly be used for spinnaker work. For solo sailing this boat is going to be fast off the wind with just white sails. I've never sailed a boat with running backstays so some experienced sailor might need to step up and comment here.
Lawless is balsa sandwich construction and I'm guessing this one is too. Check whether the core goes under the waterline as well.
Photo is of "Hot August Night" which is a bit bigger but with a similar rig and shows the stb runner on.




Depends on rig and if you look carefully at the pic you will there are check stays.
When doing long deliveries of the old IOR boats quite often we had delivery mainsails that only went to the hounds and we would disconnect the check stays. But sometimes you could not as the rig was too soft.
Still lot easier and if short handed not much slower.

Hot August Night is a Lexcen 35 originally designed and built for a winged keel.
Rule Makers outlawed the keels just before launch and an old Once more Dear Friends keel was put on the boat.
Think it is still one there.

sydchris
NSW, 387 posts
29 Jul 2019 6:28AM
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NowandZen said..
Now, here's a yacht advertised as a "Performance Cruiser".
I suppose everybody has their own ideas on what a cruiser is, but to me, this looks like it is BIG on performance and very light on cruiser.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/offshore-performance-cruiser/235809


That's the old Broomstick, ex RTW racer and downhill flyer. Sold to NZ a few years ago, wondered what had happened to it. Had an interesting history.

Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 1239 posts
29 Jul 2019 7:02AM
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Bundeenabuoy said..


Can I solve the issue of sailing single handed with the running backstays, by having a reef put in the main which will allow me to tack and jibe without having to touch the backstays?





Looking at Lawless with a crew sitting out on the rails I reckon sailing solo with 15 knots over the deck you would have the first reef in the main anyway. The backstays could be left on. In light breezes I should imagine the running backstays would mainly be used for spinnaker work. For solo sailing this boat is going to be fast off the wind with just white sails. I've never sailed a boat with running backstays so some experienced sailor might need to step up and comment here.
Lawless is balsa sandwich construction and I'm guessing this one is too. Check whether the core goes under the waterline as well.
Photo is of "Hot August Night" which is a bit bigger but with a similar rig and shows the stb runner on.




The seller of Delphis says she is "extremely fast".
Delphis is the sister ship of Lawless which has an IRC rating of 0.928
This puts her second last in terms of the current Sydney to Gold Coast Fleet only ahead of Gunrunner.
My Swarbrick 26 regular beats Myuna which has a higher rating than Lawless.

I am finding this disappointing and am wondering wheather its worth the drive to Stockton?

Please give me your thoughts on this.

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2521 posts
29 Jul 2019 7:37AM
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sydchris said..

NowandZen said..
Now, here's a yacht advertised as a "Performance Cruiser".
I suppose everybody has their own ideas on what a cruiser is, but to me, this looks like it is BIG on performance and very light on cruiser.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/offshore-performance-cruiser/235809



That's the old Broomstick, ex RTW racer and downhill flyer. Sold to NZ a few years ago, wondered what had happened to it. Had an interesting history.


My god, that rudder is enormous.

Ramona
NSW, 7490 posts
29 Jul 2019 8:25AM
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Bundeenabuoy said..


The seller of Delphis says she is "extremely fast".
Delphis is the sister ship of Lawless which has an IRC rating of 0.928
This puts her second last in terms of the current Sydney to Gold Coast Fleet only ahead of Gunrunner.
My Swarbrick 26 regular beats Myuna which has a higher rating than Lawless.

I am finding this disappointing and am wondering wheather its worth the drive to Stockton?

Please give me your thoughts on this.


Go for the drive and report back! Delphis will be a fast boat if it's kept free of excess cruising weight. Looking at the photos of her out of the water with that high aspect rudder and deep keel and low weight it is going to sail like an NS14. Don't think lack of speed is going to be a problem! The deep draft is probably a limiting factor on my local slips, have to compete for bookings with other deep keel owners. I thought long and hard on buying Hot August Night awhile back when she was for sale at just over double what is being asked for this boat. This one is smaller but a lot of boat for the money and will be an exciting single hander! We are only on this planet once!

Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 1239 posts
29 Jul 2019 10:53AM
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yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/custom-cord-32/221271

Please tell me what you think of this one?



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