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Ron's knife project

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Created by arkgee > 9 months ago, 8 Mar 2015
SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
20 Mar 2015 9:26PM
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interesting !!!!! well done , i hope it goes nice for you.

arkgee
NSW, 639 posts
21 Mar 2015 9:55AM
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think tank!!






RoyStuart
532 posts
21 Mar 2015 8:00AM
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Those runners will have a braking action unfortunately, due to the fact that they are curved inward and toed out.

DARTH
WA, 3028 posts
21 Mar 2015 11:17AM
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RoyStuart said..
Those runners will have a braking action unfortunately, due to the fact that they are curved inward and toed out.


Good thing tho if it dosnt work you can sand them off.

arkgee
NSW, 639 posts
21 Mar 2015 6:39PM
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RoyStuart said..
Those runners will have a braking action unfortunately, due to the fact that they are curved inward and toed out.


how do you know ?

arkgee
NSW, 639 posts
21 Mar 2015 6:41PM
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DARTH said..

RoyStuart said..
Those runners will have a braking action unfortunately, due to the fact that they are curved inward and toed out.



Good thing tho if it dosnt work you can sand them off.


exactly

arkgee
NSW, 639 posts
21 Mar 2015 6:48PM
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maybe...when the water cannot go anywhere but down....it will give me lift....just maybe.............pushing the envelope too far....is the only way your going to know...if you have pushed it far enough


RoyStuart
532 posts
21 Mar 2015 4:29PM
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Agreed it should lift the tail, it will be interesting to see how it goes.

Prawnhead
NSW, 1317 posts
21 Mar 2015 7:32PM
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just give it a run with the kite mate ...sorts it out in a couple of mins as you know!

arkgee
NSW, 639 posts
21 Mar 2015 7:38PM
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Prawnhead said..
just give it a run with the kite mate ...sorts it out in a couple of mins as you know!


not a bad idea ph.....had the 7 up this morning...that surely would have shown me any serious design flaws

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
21 Mar 2015 6:45PM
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I would think a smaller centre fin- well maybe

vanders1
QLD, 3808 posts
21 Mar 2015 7:01PM
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I've got absolutely nothing to add.

arkgee
NSW, 639 posts
21 Mar 2015 8:07PM
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laceys lane said..

I would think a smaller centre fin- well maybe


dunno mate...we will see...it will be an interesting day at the beach

Ricardo1709
NSW, 1301 posts
21 Mar 2015 8:09PM
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Hey Ron what do you think would happen if the blades ran fairly parallel to the rail then veered out towards the rail line at the end,not sure but Id think that would give great flow and a bit of a squirt in turns- random thought anyway-by the way did you kite F.T. such a great set up there,love that stretch of coast up to Sandon.Looking forward to hearing how it goes in the waves

arkgee
NSW, 639 posts
21 Mar 2015 8:19PM
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RoyStuart said..

Agreed it should lift the tail, it will be interesting to see how it goes.


the water shooting off the outside rail is kind of starting to take that shape....this is a quad fin set up and you can see the water is squirting off the outside fins...it sure as hell is not slowing the board down....I am anticipating that it all will all flow through the turns from rail to rail....the waters angle of attack is changing all the time so I'm thinking the curvature will not be a big concern as the blades are not deep enough

arkgee
NSW, 639 posts
21 Mar 2015 8:30PM
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vanders1 said..
I've got absolutely nothing to add.



vanders1 said..

I've got absolutely nothing to add.







Ricardo1709 said..

Hey Ron what do you think would happen if the blades ran fairly parallel to the rail then veered out towards the rail line at the end,not sure but Id think that would give great flow and a bit of a squirt in turns- random thought anyway-by the way did you kite F.T. such a great set up there,love that stretch of coast up to Sandon.Looking forward to hearing how it goes in the waves


hey ricardo...my last post pretty much answers my thoughts....what you described is the theory the bonza design was based on...I think it was supposed to work like a ventury....compress the water flow then release it...I dabbled in bonzas for awhile, though I never liked them much.
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vanders1 said..
I've got absolutely nothing to add.


here is a diamond in the rough for you V

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
21 Mar 2015 9:18PM
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arkgee said..





laceys lane said..

I would think a smaller centre fin- well maybe



dunno mate...we will see...it will be an interesting day at the beach


That fin second from the left is is a nice side shape ! similar to a fin i had in a knee board once .

chrispy
WA, 9675 posts
21 Mar 2015 6:19PM
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if there ever was a top ten thread list I think you would have most of them filled mr goddard. am really looking forward to see how this one goes in boundry pushing yeeeeooooow

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
21 Mar 2015 9:23PM
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+1

vanders1
QLD, 3808 posts
21 Mar 2015 8:30PM
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here is a diamond in the rough for you V




Cheers mate, looking good.

I think I'll actually get you to supply one of those Fluid Flex fins with it after all, they look good.

MickPC
8266 posts
21 Mar 2015 6:33PM
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Looks like a board made for figure 8's in the pocket...not for going straight gunning for the shoulder

thePup
13831 posts
21 Mar 2015 9:04PM
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She'll go alright & you are da man to make any adjustments work RG ..... nice collection of fins too

LanceF
NSW, 249 posts
22 Mar 2015 10:39AM
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vanders1 said..









here is a diamond in the rough for you V





Cheers mate, looking good.

I think I'll actually get you to supply one of those Fluid Flex fins with it after all, they look good.


Nice "SPOT"

RoyStuart
532 posts
22 Mar 2015 8:42AM
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MickPC said..

Looks like a board made for figure 8's in the pocket...not for going straight gunning for the shoulder



Yeah I've seen your video.

RoyStuart
532 posts
22 Mar 2015 8:49AM
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arkgee said..

hey ricardo...my last post pretty much answers my thoughts....what you described is the theory the bonza design was based on...I think it was supposed to work like a ventury....compress the water flow then release it...I dabbled in bonzas for awhile, though I never liked them much.



The venturi was for 30 years what the Campbell Bros thought accurately described the principle behind their bonzer setup... but it wasn't.

I pointed this out to them ten years ago and was banned from surfermag ( temporarily as it turned out) for doing so, you'll notice however that they no longer mention the venturi principle on their site.

The bottom line is that the venturi is a closed system, the surfboard hull is not.

Compressing and/or constricting water flow will always create more drag, the idea that by constricting the flow one speeds the water up is a complete myth.

The bottom line is that disturbing the water in any way slows the board down, we have no choice but to do so but keeping it to a minimum promotes speed.

Your inwards curved runners are definitely going to make the board slower than the same board would be without them, sorry but that can't be helped.

Macaha
QLD, 21882 posts
22 Mar 2015 11:51AM
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A guy who can dig a rail that deep I'm listening to him.

RoyStuart
532 posts
22 Mar 2015 10:09AM
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More rail, and deeper... just saying.... but it's hardly relevant to the physics of constricted flow...

Ctngoodvibes
WA, 1402 posts
22 Mar 2015 10:12AM
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+1 mac...you make such beautifully finished boards RG...probably will get roasted for saying this...but the only ones who also have such perfect glassing sanding / gloss coat are mctavish.

Macaha
QLD, 21882 posts
22 Mar 2015 12:57PM
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good bottom turn Roy

Cobra
9106 posts
22 Mar 2015 11:08AM
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I'm very interested in this board,,,,im happy just sitting back and injoying this thread,,,

didnt George greenough do something like this in the 70s on kneeboards.
i remember something like that in a tracks mag,, but hey long time ago Now!



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