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Is it cool to hate SUP?

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Created by CMC > 9 months ago, 23 Nov 2011
GPA
WA, 2520 posts
23 Nov 2011 5:48PM
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Don't hate them, but they have no place in a crowded metro beach... go and find a reef providing a tiddler wave or paddle the length of the coast OK... but I have been out at Trigg in summer with about a dozen guys sharing a really well shaped 1ft peak and then along comes two SUP'ers who just hogged it... and when they fell off - well no one wants 12ft of fibreglass careering towards them through the white-wash!!

Too dangerous - more so than goat boats...

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
23 Nov 2011 5:50PM
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Couldnt agree more GPA.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
23 Nov 2011 8:10PM
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check out this clown

PaddlePig
WA, 421 posts
23 Nov 2011 6:13PM
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I get the feeling some mals and SUPs think there's a different rule when they paddle into a break. they think the rule is: 'If I can paddle on before you, I am a MUCH better surfer than you'. The truth is no, you're no. It is even more insulting if the rider is actually a overwight old bloke.

Salt is then poured on the wounds when the weekend warrior pulls up somewhere in his audi or saab, undoes his business shirt and tie, and paddles out a SUP. You are even worse! Not only are you all of the above, but you seem to think your 1800+ board gives you access to waves, when you clearly have never surfed before.

I am guilty of riding mini mals, even mals! But when I do so I always make it VERY well known that I'm not taking any waves that a smaller board might get. I put my hands up in the air. What I'm saying is, I accept that I don't deserve waves simply because I can sit further out and paddle onto them when I happen to be riding a board with way too much volume, instead it is kind of embarrassing!

I take great pride in keeping some sort of fitness up and will paddle even if there are no waves, even on the river sometimes! But then nothing insults us more than to have someone on a tanker think they're better than you (exhibiting this attitude by taking more than their share) simply because they get on earlier.

fozzy
SA, 501 posts
23 Nov 2011 8:54PM
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I actually tried it and found it wasn't for me. I'm pretty much a person that has the philosophy of to each their own, but....

The thing that gets me is they comment on how they can paddle to breaks more easily. "One of the great things about SUP's is the ability to get to these places", and yet they paddle straight out into the crowded line up when there is a slightly smaller break 100 metres away that is empty. 100% of those around my area do not do anything except go down the line, therefore what difference does it make if the wave is 1ft smaller when all you're going to do is paddle in and stand there. They can do the same thing on a 8 inch wave.

Only a week ago I had to contend with one who chose to paddle out 30 metres past the main pack (complete with fake tattoo sleeves) and proceed to wobble and fall his way into as many waves as he could ruin for everyone else.

It's not cool to hate SUP, but it's definitely not cool to disregard common etiquette and screw up everyone else's session either.

And yes, I may still have some unresolved issues with this and some mal riders but I'll save them for another thread.

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
23 Nov 2011 7:54PM
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PaddlePig said...

I get the feeling some mals and SUPs think there's a different rule when they paddle into a break. they think the rule is: 'If I can paddle on before you, I am a MUCH better surfer than you'. The truth is no, you're no. It is even more insulting if the rider is actually a overwight old bloke.

Salt is then poured on the wounds when the weekend warrior pulls up somewhere in his audi or saab, undoes his business shirt and tie, and paddles out a SUP. You are even worse! Not only are you all of the above, but you seem to think your 1800+ board gives you access to waves, when you clearly have never surfed before.

I am guilty of riding mini mals, even mals! But when I do so I always make it VERY well known that I'm not taking any waves that a smaller board might get. I put my hands up in the air. What I'm saying is, I accept that I don't deserve waves simply because I can sit further out and paddle onto them when I happen to be riding a board with way too much volume, instead it is kind of embarrassing!

I take great pride in keeping some sort of fitness up and will paddle even if there are no waves, even on the river sometimes! But then nothing insults us more than to have someone on a tanker think they're better than you (exhibiting this attitude by taking more than their share) simply because they get on earlier.


Mate are you for real here,or just jealous hmm,,so what if the guy rocks up in away better car than you,for the record I drive one of those cars you mentioned (doggie can confirm ) but fk me don't judge me by the car I drive, and yes I ride mals over the shortboard pump piss on small waves,ride what suits the conditions sweet but pull your farking head in on the other sh-t.

PaddlePig
WA, 421 posts
23 Nov 2011 8:08PM
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Come on mac, cop it on the chin mate. I've seen posts in the pasts stereotyping gen ys and 'young grasshoppers' etc etc and I copped it on the chin. Settle down big fella, when you bought that car you knew you'd cop a bit!

But to elaborate, I did not mean to offend. I guess the point I was trying to make is in my experience they're certainly less than weekend warriors and have 'bought' a board capable of catching more waves.

The busy lifestyle where one can't surf as often combined with having a large disposable income made me thing of older men in their business cars. But in hind sight cashed up bogans could also afford these items and plenty of young fellas are also busy or overweight; both characteristics I mentioned. So my apologies to anyone offended.

But mac mate, settle down big fella. Relax.

katana
WA, 644 posts
23 Nov 2011 8:24PM
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brownie49 said...

I've been a shortboarder for over 37 years and ride a sup as well but only in certain conditions

I dont have a problem with anyone on any sort of craft as long as they know the ocean and can handle the conditions, have proper etiquette and not be a greedy wave hassling hog


couldnt have said it better.! however i beleive if they cant get it through a break without bailing your board then you shouldnt be out there



62mac
WA, 24860 posts
23 Nov 2011 8:29PM
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Paddlepig,mate I live on the Goldie and its FULL of all types,I never judge anyone from what they have or what they don't or for that matter what they ride.I have one simple rule in life.If you work hard at anything you have my respect and yes I see your weekend warriors on all sorts of craft,once again its all about respect.I'm blessed in some ways that I surf with the top ASAP sb guys and also some of the best LB'ers all within 5 ks so I'm well aware of the battle for waves,the only cool thing is we all get on and share ,yes we do share at the superbank,it goes back to respect.

Rant over done dusted cheers and just for the record the carpark is full of X5's Q7's and alike!Hey that's life here but we don't give a rats as long as the surf is pumping

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
23 Nov 2011 10:36PM
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PaddlePig said...

I get the feeling some mals and SUPs think there's a different rule when they paddle into a break. they think the rule is: 'If I can paddle on before you, I am a MUCH better surfer than you'. The truth is no, you're no. It is even more insulting if the rider is actually a overwight old bloke.

Salt is then poured on the wounds when the weekend warrior pulls up somewhere in his audi or saab, undoes his business shirt and tie, and paddles out a SUP. You are even worse! Not only are you all of the above, but you seem to think your 1800+ board gives you access to waves, when you clearly have never surfed before.

I am guilty of riding mini mals, even mals! But when I do so I always make it VERY well known that I'm not taking any waves that a smaller board might get. I put my hands up in the air. What I'm saying is, I accept that I don't deserve waves simply because I can sit further out and paddle onto them when I happen to be riding a board with way too much volume, instead it is kind of embarrassing!

I take great pride in keeping some sort of fitness up and will paddle even if there are no waves, even on the river sometimes! But then nothing insults us more than to have someone on a tanker think they're better than you (exhibiting this attitude by taking more than their share) simply because they get on earlier.


i didn't know a young fit bloke has more rights than an old unfit bloke.

i'll have to check up with the gold coast city council,

but hey, it sounds about right.

MIKO
QLD, 408 posts
23 Nov 2011 10:37PM
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So if i get out on my 9fter , or my 7 ft fish , or my 6 ft shorty or my 10 ft sub or ffs my sailboard i can can stay out or have a right to it ? most of yus need to grow up and/or go to happy school. RELAX and who really gives a F...

katana said...

brownie49 said...

I've been a shortboarder for over 37 years and ride a sup as well but only in certain conditions



couldnt have said it better.! however i beleive if they cant get it through a break without bailing your board then you shouldnt be out there






subasurf
WA, 2154 posts
23 Nov 2011 9:22PM
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boofy said...

Is" line out" WA terminology thats twice now surely someone with your obvious years of surfing knowledge and profound philosophy on surfing etiquette should at least get that right




Too much rugby for me...


Legion said...

boofy said...

subasurf said...

... line out ...

Is" line out" WA terminology thats twice now surely someone with your obvious years of surfing knowledge and profound philosophy on surfing etiquette should at least get that right


Suba's unique. After the "banks rolling through" comment nothing he says surprises me. And not knowing what any of the local breaks are called in the area he says he lives.


Words shmords :P
A lot of the terminology was saffa terms we grew up with
I guess it stuck.
As for break names...**** the system bra!!!

bakesy
WA, 682 posts
23 Nov 2011 10:02PM
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saffa terms? did you spend time there or are you saying that your old man is from there? I'm confused...

Prawnhead
NSW, 1317 posts
24 Nov 2011 6:11AM
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I am contemplating buying one.............
to paddle in the river with and maybe tow a lure,when there is no swell, no wind and to work on my gut
There is a pretty eclectic collection of surfcraft where i live, boogers, goat boats, mals, clubbies surf boats, ocean kayaks/canoes,SUPs... sh8t you have to even watch out for the boats when surfing the bar ....everyone likes some water and wave action
and to each his own
SUP's remind me a a bit of tattoos ..anyone can have one but they really only look good on 6"10 polynesians

crustt
VIC, 190 posts
24 Nov 2011 8:39AM
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PaddlePig said...

I get the feeling some mals and SUPs think there's a different rule when they paddle into a break. they think the rule is: 'If I can paddle on before you, I am a MUCH better surfer than you'. The truth is no, you're no. It is even more insulting if the rider is actually a overwight old bloke.




Paddle pig, I ride a sup, a shortboard and have been overweight all my life. You find it insulting if its an overweight old bloke, well that's me I'm old too. Be careful mate , one day you might be the overwight old bloke, no one is fat by choice and it can happen for a variety of reasons. Your really missing out on a lot of things in life by judging people within the first 5 seconds of seeing them, I know for certain you wouldn't like me as I expect an old overwight guy paddling circles around you would get your hackles up sure there are dickheads on sups but hey theres heaps of dickheads surfing in general. One of best exhibitions of power surfing I have ever seen was by an old overwight bloke called Ian Cairns at 8 ft plus Haleiwa .

Ok, p/pig just read your later post, you get the point, please don't call me big fella

WATER MAN
WA, 139 posts
24 Nov 2011 6:48AM
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If you hate anyone expect o be hated back.
Live like a hermit and you can hate everyone evenly.

subasurf
WA, 2154 posts
24 Nov 2011 7:30AM
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crustt said...

, no one is fat by choice and it can happen for a variety of reasons.



Bull5hit. Almost every fat person chooses to be fat.

GPA
WA, 2520 posts
24 Nov 2011 7:46AM
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subasurf said...

crustt said...

, no one is fat by choice and it can happen for a variety of reasons.



Bull5hit. Almost every fat person chooses to be fat.


Hmmm... Suba write down your weight now and then check it when you are 45yo... I bet you are 10kg + heavier... not that you would choose to be.

WATER MAN
WA, 139 posts
24 Nov 2011 7:47AM
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I think 99% of over weight people are over weight due to poor diet and little excersice. My sister is the size of 2 blocks of flats put side by side, her idea of excersice is to walk from the car to the pizza shop. When she eats healthy it's deep fried mushrooms. But she is happy being fat and gets agro when people talk about fat people.

subasurf
WA, 2154 posts
24 Nov 2011 8:02AM
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GPA said...

Hmmm... Suba write down your weight now and then check it when you are 45yo... I bet you are 10kg + heavier... not that you would choose to be.


That makes very little sense. For starters, just because you get older doesn't mean you have to get fat. Getting fat is a result of being lazy. Input exceeds output. It's pure and simple. Your metabolism slows while you age which means you need to increase exercise and adjust your diet. Most people do the opposite and end up fat...it's a choice.

I mean look at Laird Hamilton, he's over 45 and no one would call him fat. That's because he chose to stay active and (assuming here) probably eats a fairly healthy diet. I run 12k+ every second day, swim Ks every other day, surf at every single opportunity, mountaineer, eat healthy food and rarely drink too much and have never touched a hard drug...and it's a lifestyle that is so easy to maintain. Helps having no wife and kids though, I must admit

I actually don't have anything against fat people for being fat. Sure I'll poke fun at them in jest, but it's their choice. Just hate it when they have a sook about being in a position that they created.

GPA
WA, 2520 posts
24 Nov 2011 9:07AM
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^^^
I don't disagree with anything you have said - but the 'challenge' stands... life and circumstances change - particularly free time. Throw in some serious injuries and ta-da... no more six-pack. It happens...

subasurf
WA, 2154 posts
24 Nov 2011 9:20AM
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GPA said...

^^^
life and circumstances change - particularly free time. Throw in some serious injuries and ta-da... no more six-pack. It happens...




But they are still choices people make. It's choices you make that determine how much time you have to stay healthy. Being injured is certainly an exception. But it's how you bounce back from it that counts. Gaining a stomach while you've got a broken knee is one thing...staying fat afterwards is another.

Don't get me wrong though. I don't care if other people prioritize their life in a way that puts their health lower than everything else. That's their choice. I just don't want to listen to them complain that it was all forced upon them.

Maybe when I'm 45 I will get fat. I highly doubt it. But it may happen. I won't blame anyone though if it does I'll just keep drinking beer, eating pizzas and watching GayFL on TV instead of going outside and kicking a ball.

Out of all my mates only one of them is fat...and he's proper fat. But he never use to be. All of us, but him, are surfers or climbers and we keep active and eat good food. He sits on his arse all day and makes excuses as to why he doesn't exercise. He got fat and we got fit. Funny thing is we all work the same hours (I'm the exception) and we all have the weekends totally free. In fact my fittest mate works far harder hours than the rest of us, has just bought a new home, is getting married and is now trying to find the money to help pay for his Dad's chemo...but he still chose to find time to exercise...it meant getting up super early instead of sleeping in but he made the choice and has only gotten healthier. I think he's found that the healthier he is the easier his days are and the better he actually sleeps.

weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
24 Nov 2011 11:26AM
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^^^ Mmmmm sounds like the SB room is full of doctors and nutritionist.
So can one of the seabreeze doctors tell me why i am 187cm 108 kgs with a BMI grade 1 obesity rating and i don't look overweight

Answer BMI is a load of SH!T for a lot of people

i Know a lot of bronco NRL players and x players and "big Davey Taylor" is a classic
AT 122kgs (but dave will tell you 117) with very low body fat,, but has a BMI grade 3 morbidly obese rating ,,dave has always looked big since his young days playing for St brendan's. he is just 1 big fella.

I also have a best mate that's married 75Kgs in his 40s drinks a Sh!t load of P!ss, eats dead set crap and his only sport is going out in his tinny..
And thinks everybody fat, is a lazy pig

Yes we have choices but some people are born big and small

subasurf
WA, 2154 posts
24 Nov 2011 9:30AM
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Everyone with half a brain knows BMI is a total crock of 5hit.

Anyhoo, I don't want to make this into a thread for ragging on fat people. They get enough people doing that as it is.

Let's get back to ragging on SUPers.

Prawnhead
NSW, 1317 posts
24 Nov 2011 12:40PM
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GPA said...

^^^
I don't disagree with anything you have said - but the 'challenge' stands... life and circumstances change - particularly free time. Throw in some serious injuries and ta-da... no more six-pack. It happens...




If it wasn't for six packs i'd have one!

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
24 Nov 2011 9:49AM
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subasurf said...

GPA said...

^^^
life and circumstances change - particularly free time. Throw in some serious injuries and ta-da... no more six-pack. It happens...




But they are still choices people make. It's choices you make that determine how much time you have to stay healthy. Being injured is certainly an exception. But it's how you bounce back from it that counts. Gaining a stomach while you've got a broken knee is one thing...staying fat afterwards is another.

Don't get me wrong though. I don't care if other people prioritize their life in a way that puts their health lower than everything else. That's their choice. I just don't want to listen to them complain that it was all forced upon them.

Maybe when I'm 45 I will get fat. I highly doubt it. But it may happen. I won't blame anyone though if it does I'll just keep drinking beer, eating pizzas and watching GayFL on TV instead of going outside and kicking a ball.

Out of all my mates only one of them is fat...and he's proper fat. But he never use to be. All of us, but him, are surfers or climbers and we keep active and eat good food. He sits on his arse all day and makes excuses as to why he doesn't exercise. He got fat and we got fit. Funny thing is we all work the same hours (I'm the exception) and we all have the weekends totally free. In fact my fittest mate works far harder hours than the rest of us, has just bought a new home, is getting married and is now trying to find the money to help pay for his Dad's chemo...but he still chose to find time to exercise...it meant getting up super early instead of sleeping in but he made the choice and has only gotten healthier. I think he's found that the healthier he is the easier his days are and the better he actually sleeps.



When I was 21 my waist was 32in and I was 75kg, Im 40 now and very proud that Im an average of 80-85kgs now and a 34in waist. I do ok I recon as far as exercise goes, I do a bit of indoor rock climbing, bit of bike riding and skateboarding ect so Im active as I can be.
Suba, if you can be within 5-10kgs of what you are now you are doing ok

Oh yea I surf a bit as well

weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
24 Nov 2011 11:58AM
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subasurf said...



I mean look at Laird Hamilton, he's over 45 and no one would call him fat. That's because he chose to stay active and (assuming here) probably eats a fairly healthy diet. I run 12k+ every second day, swim Ks every other day, surf at every single opportunity, mountaineer, eat healthy food and rarely drink too much and have never touched a hard drug...and it's a lifestyle that is so easy to maintain. Helps having no wife and kids though, I must admit

not having a go Suba

But laird is a brand he has always been a surfer and male model he works very hard to get that shape and its part of the brand, if people want to fix there body fat yes a lot of people can fix that, but as fare as body shape and sculpting its down to genes, there are people out there that will NEVER i mean NEVER get a six pack if they did 400 crunches a day and only ate egg whites. there gene pool says NO 6pack for you


mister
WA, 2 posts
24 Nov 2011 10:03AM
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Guess what guys, live each day as if it were your last, in the larger picture SUP will stay if it's popular and fade if it's not, just as 9'6 in the 60's became 8',7', 6' yes the now SB funny that, and now we go back up the scale again, and by the way when we were all riding 9'6 which was the in thing, try 20 guys in the line up at North Narrabeen, or Manly pumping and no leg ropes, yes we got hit in the head a few times, some more than others so toughen up princess. Stop worrying about how fat you are or going to get and enjoy the sea before we pollute it so much surfing will be a distant memory and you will be looking at it on You Tube.

Woodo
WA, 792 posts
24 Nov 2011 10:14AM
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Suba you a Saffa?
This could explain a few things...

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
24 Nov 2011 12:17PM
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Woodo said...

Suba you a Saffa?
This could explain a few things...


A Saffa protective local of his part of Australia?

And you think SUPs are bad........ Hahahah. Just kidding Saffa, I mean Suba.



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