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Is it cool to hate SUP?

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Created by CMC > 9 months ago, 23 Nov 2011
chrispychru
QLD, 7932 posts
25 Nov 2011 9:58PM
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62mac said...

Legion I normally laugh at your posts and also agree with what your saying,however not on this one,ride what suites the conditions.



Who really gives a sh-t,ride them all and enjoy the ride.




thats what i do at the pub had few bad ones,had some great ones and i would rather ride something than clean up my own mess

BulldogPup
6657 posts
25 Nov 2011 8:02PM
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Legion said...

Thank you. I've been trying to lose weight but it's a difficult journey. Not much I can do about my age though, at least I'm younger than doggie.


laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
25 Nov 2011 10:10PM
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Legion said...

laceys lane said...

... you don't like it that people don't see short boarding as the peak of surfing any more ...

Ahahahahaha!












<breathe>




















Hahahahahah!

So are you saying SUP is the peak of surfing? Or if not what is? Is the longboard or SUP world tour about to eclipse surfing? People have lost interest in surfing? Even my mother in law has heard of Kelly Slater and Mick Fanning and Taj Burrow. You reckon they'd know who _insert_name_of_some_SUPer_here_ is? Sorry, I can't name anyone, I just don't know any names.

I mean, I'm not particularly interested in the whole pro tour thing but surely even you SUPers have to concede that shortboarding is at the top of the ladder in popularity, money, following, performance, whatever metric you care to define.

Personally I'd prefer all waveriding to become super unpopular. Less people in the water, less people to share with, less people to have to chat friendlyly with.


no,i'm saying that shortboarding is the be all end it used to be because conditions quite often don't suit or you have too go to the most crowded surf spots- and i'm way over fighting for 4 waves in 2 hrs i can tell you

mainly i think the widening of horizons is a good thing.

i used to be a beach fence leaner too. i see them all the time, you can see their day is shot to pieces because its crap for short boards- mate i just laugh to my self at them.

but, if you like to be a one trick pony thats your call and thats cool, but why dump on everyone else with your single mindedness

crustt
VIC, 190 posts
25 Nov 2011 11:38PM
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PaddlePig said...

And also I'd like to extend a sincere apology to all involved in the over weigh argument. I didn't mean to hijack the thread to such an extent, if it turns out my comment about fat old blokes was the cause of that. My apologies.


Thanks, I just get annoyed that other people seem to be more concerned with my body shape than me.
Back to the sup's, some of you guys are missing out 3 years ago i was a shortboarder and I hated sups nearly as much as mal's, then one day a mate was into it and I had a go, it was fun in 1 ft waves and the boards they had were different, under 5 kg anyway I got a 9ft,er shaped and it took about a year before I was happy with the way I could surf it, the way it affected my surfing on a shortboard was in my mind amazing and it wasn't just because I was fitter from getting in the water most days, i just feel more switched on, where I live I have not seen a kook sup rider, they,re all respected shortboarders when the waves are good, your missing out.

Kaz1983
306 posts
25 Nov 2011 9:47PM
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Watched a bit of the SUP World Tour on foxtel the other day, they were surfing Sunset I think ---- not bad, was interesting veiwing ... they must go through heaps of leg ropes see as they can't duck dive and instead just bail?

ockanui
VIC, 1301 posts
26 Nov 2011 11:37AM
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I am with you legion the less people in the water the better, having done the short board and mal stuff for decades, I love the idea of sup as I can paddle away from all those surfers sitting there on the lineup hassling each other, I go out there to surf not to sit and chat and hope to get some waves, I figure if I have 15+ years left surfing {70 years old} go surfing twice a month get 25 waves per session, 50 per month x 15 years +750 waves left in my life, surfing a short board I would be lucky to get 10 waves per session in the crowd x 15 years +150 waves.
thats 600 waves more ...mmm gotta love that

weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
26 Nov 2011 5:53PM
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ockanui said...

I am with you legion the less people in the water the better, having done the short board and mal stuff for decades, I love the idea of sup as I can paddle away from all those surfers sitting there on the lineup hassling each other, I go out there to surf not to sit and chat and hope to get some waves, I figure if I have 15+ years left surfing {70 years old} go surfing twice a month get 25 waves per session, 50 per month x 15 years +750 waves left in my life, surfing a short board I would be lucky to get 10 waves per session in the crowd x 15 years +150 waves.
thats 600 waves more ...mmm gotta love that





Mmmm sounds like pure logic to me

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
26 Nov 2011 6:23PM
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PaddlePig said...

CMC said...

Just to throw some acid on the fire here with the Mal argument.

Before I started to ride SUP I had a couple of different Mals, a highly rockered HP Brothers Neilsen 9'2 and a very beautiful Classic Mal full log Volane, trim lap pinlined amazing creation that Peter White shaped for me. I rode them quite a lot when the waves were small or average.

Once I got a SUP though I didn't ride them anymore. Not to offend but the Mals kind of provided no challenge. Easy to catch waves, stable, turn well etc and do everything they are meant to do. I found SUP very challenging. That year also there was a bank way out in the middle of the Alley that broke kind of randomly at 5 or so feet that was so much fun. Nobody was surfing it, too hard to read and better waves closer to the rock and at Laceys. You could take the bumpy drop and ride it to the sand. It was a new thing, I kind of got hooked on SUP on that one bank. Here I was surfing alone at the Gold Coasts most crowded break. (Note, very different now)

I sold both Mals, still regret the Classic Mal though.

In the last couple of days I have been riding a 9'1 Mal ex pro board, high performance I guess you'd say. It's great fun and I am a bit sore from a bit of training this week so absolutely perfect for the swell we have had. But in my very honest opinion it is not as high performance as my 8'11 SUP. It may have something to do with the ultra light weight of the SUP and being able to use the paddle but the SUP is way closer to riding a shortboard IMHO. Should probably note that this board is a local custom that is shaped by a shortboard shaper. I'm sure that will impress you all. I'm sure that if I spend more time on the Mal I will be able to achieve more but it was an interesting revelation for me comparing it to the SUP.

Over Summer I will probably ride the Mal a whole lot more, I end up paddling things so much for training that the last thing I want to do in the surf as well is hold a paddle.






Hey mate, I'll post honestly because this is short board forum. There's nothing good about the sup. Even if it is hard, it's still lame! I could paddle a chep pallet out into a crowded break and that would be hard to surf, yet I wouldn't expect a hero's reception. I'm simply responding to the'sup is harder to ride than mal so it deserves more respect' part. Other than that it's a good solid post.



Just read your post and mine again quoted also. Not sure what you mean about the hero's reception or that SUP deserves more respect part. I started the thread, I already knew most people's opinions. If I was looking for validation or to change peoples minds this would not be the place to do it. Also, if I cared what people think I wouldnt ride one. I still ride one.

I completely agree with many of the sentiments on here. I probably hate those guys on SUPS with no clue more than you guys do. I also dislike guys that can surf and use it become a greedy monster. I have to deal with them when I'm on my normal boards and then be tarred with the same brush when I ride the SUP.

Do I believe that riding a SUP is a good equipment choice in some conditions? Yes.

Do I want to convince you to try and like one also? No.

The whole thread was started as a bit of a stir and to poke fun at people that honestly don't even know what they don't like about it other than the generalised 'it's for fat old guys, kooks and kiteboarders and they take all of the waves'. I reckon a lot of people just hate it 'cos it's a popular opinion.

I know a bunch of guys that ride them that surf better on a shortboard than most people on this forum. Ex WCT guys, lifeguards, legends. People that enjoy the water and want to have the right tools for the day whatever it throws at you.

No hero's reception required.



chrispychru
QLD, 7932 posts
26 Nov 2011 9:21PM
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CMC said...

PaddlePig said...

CMC said...

Just to throw some acid on the fire here with the Mal argument.

Before I started to ride SUP I had a couple of different Mals, a highly rockered HP Brothers Neilsen 9'2 and a very beautiful Classic Mal full log Volane, trim lap pinlined amazing creation that Peter White shaped for me. I rode them quite a lot when the waves were small or average.

Once I got a SUP though I didn't ride them anymore. Not to offend but the Mals kind of provided no challenge. Easy to catch waves, stable, turn well etc and do everything they are meant to do. I found SUP very challenging. That year also there was a bank way out in the middle of the Alley that broke kind of randomly at 5 or so feet that was so much fun. Nobody was surfing it, too hard to read and better waves closer to the rock and at Laceys. You could take the bumpy drop and ride it to the sand. It was a new thing, I kind of got hooked on SUP on that one bank. Here I was surfing alone at the Gold Coasts most crowded break. (Note, very different now)

I sold both Mals, still regret the Classic Mal though.

In the last couple of days I have been riding a 9'1 Mal ex pro board, high performance I guess you'd say. It's great fun and I am a bit sore from a bit of training this week so absolutely perfect for the swell we have had. But in my very honest opinion it is not as high performance as my 8'11 SUP. It may have something to do with the ultra light weight of the SUP and being able to use the paddle but the SUP is way closer to riding a shortboard IMHO. Should probably note that this board is a local custom that is shaped by a shortboard shaper. I'm sure that will impress you all. I'm sure that if I spend more time on the Mal I will be able to achieve more but it was an interesting revelation for me comparing it to the SUP.

Over Summer I will probably ride the Mal a whole lot more, I end up paddling things so much for training that the last thing I want to do in the surf as well is hold a paddle.






Hey mate, I'll post honestly because this is short board forum. There's nothing good about the sup. Even if it is hard, it's still lame! I could paddle a chep pallet out into a crowded break and that would be hard to surf, yet I wouldn't expect a hero's reception. I'm simply responding to the'sup is harder to ride than mal so it deserves more respect' part. Other than that it's a good solid post.



Just read your post and mine again quoted also. Not sure what you mean about the hero's reception or that SUP deserves more respect part. I started the thread, I already knew most people's opinions. If I was looking for validation or to change peoples minds this would not be the place to do it. Also, if I cared what people think I wouldnt ride one. I still ride one.

I completely agree with many of the sentiments on here. I probably hate those guys on SUPS with no clue more than you guys do. I also dislike guys that can surf and use it become a greedy monster. I have to deal with them when I'm on my normal boards and then be tarred with the same brush when I ride the SUP.

Do I believe that riding a SUP is a good equipment choice in some conditions? Yes.

Do I want to convince you to try and like one also? No.

The whole thread was started as a bit of a stir and to poke fun at people that honestly don't even know what they don't like about it other than the generalised 'it's for fat old guys, kooks and kiteboarders and they take all of the waves'. I reckon a lot of people just hate it 'cos it's a popular opinion.

I know a bunch of guys that ride them that surf better on a shortboard than most people on this forum. Ex WCT guys, lifeguards, legends. People that enjoy the water and want to have the right tools for the day whatever it throws at you.

No hero's reception required.






Hats of mate,beautifully said,with logic and common sense. yet some people will always stumble through life being rightous and with their own heads up their clackers

smicko
WA, 2503 posts
27 Nov 2011 5:05PM
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mmmmmmphh mmmmhpphm, mmmmfpphhd, mmmmmmphhhhh!

thommo 000
1670 posts
27 Nov 2011 7:08PM
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weiry said...

ockanui said...

I am with you legion the less people in the water the better, having done the short board and mal stuff for decades, I love the idea of sup as I can paddle away from all those surfers sitting there on the lineup hassling each other, I go out there to surf not to sit and chat and hope to get some waves, I figure if I have 15+ years left surfing {70 years old} go surfing twice a month get 25 waves per session, 50 per month x 15 years +750 waves left in my life, surfing a short board I would be lucky to get 10 waves per session in the crowd x 15 years +150 waves.
thats 600 waves more ...mmm gotta love that





Mmmm sounds like pure logic to me



Sounds like a load of crap to me.

weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
27 Nov 2011 9:40PM
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thommo 000 said...

weiry said...

ockanui said...

I am with you legion the less people in the water the better, having done the short board and mal stuff for decades, I love the idea of sup as I can paddle away from all those surfers sitting there on the lineup hassling each other, I go out there to surf not to sit and chat and hope to get some waves, I figure if I have 15+ years left surfing {70 years old} go surfing twice a month get 25 waves per session, 50 per month x 15 years +750 waves left in my life, surfing a short board I would be lucky to get 10 waves per session in the crowd x 15 years +150 waves.
thats 600 waves more ...mmm gotta love that





Mmmm sounds like pure logic to me



Sounds like a load of crap to me.




Why - cant you count

thommo 000
1670 posts
27 Nov 2011 7:56PM
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weiry said...

thommo 000 said...

weiry said...

ockanui said...

I am with you legion the less people in the water the better, having done the short board and mal stuff for decades, I love the idea of sup as I can paddle away from all those surfers sitting there on the lineup hassling each other, I go out there to surf not to sit and chat and hope to get some waves, I figure if I have 15+ years left surfing {70 years old} go surfing twice a month get 25 waves per session, 50 per month x 15 years +750 waves left in my life, surfing a short board I would be lucky to get 10 waves per session in the crowd x 15 years +150 waves.
thats 600 waves more ...mmm gotta love that





Mmmm sounds like pure logic to me



Sounds like a load of crap to me.




Why - cant* you count


I can count...ok.... hold up your left hand and count down... 10,9,8,7,6...+ 5 on ya right is 11.........ok

*can't

weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
27 Nov 2011 10:10PM
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thommo 000 said...

weiry said...

thommo 000 said...

weiry said...

ockanui said...

I am with you legion the less people in the water the better, having done the short board and mal stuff for decades, I love the idea of sup as I can paddle away from all those surfers sitting there on the lineup hassling each other, I go out there to surf not to sit and chat and hope to get some waves, I figure if I have 15+ years left surfing {70 years old} go surfing twice a month get 25 waves per session, 50 per month x 15 years +750 waves left in my life, surfing a short board I would be lucky to get 10 waves per session in the crowd x 15 years +150 waves.
thats 600 waves more ...mmm gotta love that





Mmmm sounds like pure logic to me



Sounds like a load of crap to me.




Why - cant* you count


I can count...ok.... hold up your left hand and count down... 10,9,8,7,6...+ 5 on ya right is 11.........ok

*can't



God i hope ockanui can

ockanui
VIC, 1301 posts
27 Nov 2011 11:23PM
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Yeh your right my estimate was based on 70 years in australia the average life expectancy of males is 80.3 sorry

surferstu
1011 posts
27 Nov 2011 10:15PM
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its the good waves that stand out in your mind and count though.. quality not quantity. hundreds of straighthanders vs quite a few hard fought critical sections and bowls that put that grin on your face you cant quite control

surferstu
1011 posts
27 Nov 2011 10:23PM
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thommo 000 said...

ockanui said...

Yeh your right my estimate was based on 70 years in australia the average life expectancy of males is 80.3 sorry



Orr about 180 waves on the shorty

Edit: still 600 more on the *** tho


what do you think of craike and brown bros exposure?

thommo 000
1670 posts
27 Nov 2011 11:16PM
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^^Grrrr

richswing
WA, 724 posts
29 Nov 2011 1:13PM
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I surfed for 20 odd years and complimented my quiver with a SUB this year and it alllows me to get out there and have some fun.

The poor F@#$er's that go surfing in 20 plus knots - that's uncool and SAD!

Rich

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
29 Nov 2011 1:51PM
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Generally true, however there are a few spots that work well in a strong onshore. E.g. a few summers ago in the time of daylight saving there was a metro location that had reliable waves just about every single day of the summer. Well worth a paddle (into the strongest sweep I've been in). And at a certain spot at a fenceline it's always fun on a tiny swell and a strong onshore. And my local is mostly only worthwhile if it's onshore - keeps the crowds down.

subasurf
WA, 2154 posts
29 Nov 2011 5:21PM
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richswing said...


The poor F@#$er's that go surfing in 20 plus knots - that's uncool and SAD!



Waves are waves. I'll be in there rain, hail, storms what ever...so long as there is something ride-able. It's surfing in the West Oz...not tiddly winks.

thommo 000
1670 posts
29 Nov 2011 11:10PM
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surferstu said...

thommo 000 said...

ockanui said...

Yeh your right my estimate was based on 70 years in australia the average life expectancy of males is 80.3 sorry



Orr about 180 waves on the shorty

Edit: still 600 more on the *** tho


what do you think of craike and brown bros exposure?


Sorry mate, just reread your post thought you were saying something else.....those guys rip.



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