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felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
16 Jun 2011 4:03PM
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Just one rule: treat all like you would like to be treated!

SomeOtherGuy
NSW, 807 posts
16 Jun 2011 7:12PM
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^^^^^



That's pretty rich coming from you, cat boy!

barn
WA, 2960 posts
16 Jun 2011 5:21PM
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Gunna1 said...

oz surf said...

The world would be a better place if we all were atheists.


Then who would we blame! As the old saying goes "there are no atheists in the trenches"


I think it's normally "there are no atheists in foxholes" which rolls of the tongue better. Mind you, thats more of an argument against Foxholes!!

What would be second best than a world full of atheists, would be a world void of Religious Accommodationists!. Which too many non-religious people are guilty of.

Those Accommodationists are the people who, even if they don't believe in Allah, still respect the rights of his followers to oppress women, cut their daughters genitalia off, and butcher their Animals according to the strict guidelines in the Qu'ran..

Ideally we can just ridicule and laugh at Islam until they get so embarrassed at their beliefs, they stop trying to impose them upon everybody else (including the cows).. This is what we did to the Christians!

Mark _australia
WA, 22287 posts
16 Jun 2011 5:42PM
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log man said...

Mark _australia said...

always the Muslims who slaughter animals in horrid ways? Last time somebody was chasing
cattle around cutting their Achilles before slaughter it was in the middle east
somewhere, on telly about 3yrs ago.
Do we want a culture here that believes in tormenting animals and cutting their
throats whilst conscious (or for that matter, treat their women poorly also)?

Interesting that usually the same people who are all "pro-asylum seekers"
and so vocal in telling us to let them all in, are the most vocal on the animal rights
issues I find that very inconsistent - so maybe all the loony left will change
their beliefs about Muslim immigration after seeing 4 Corners?




This is some of the nuttiest logic ever dished out on the general discussion forum.


Logman don't let your left wing ideology get in the way and then answer:

Do they treat animals poorly due to religion? (yes)
Will they continue such tradition in another country? (yes, already do)
Are people infuriated by such practices? (yes, that's what this thread is about)

so do we want such people here?

barn
WA, 2960 posts
16 Jun 2011 5:56PM
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Mark _australia said...

log man said...

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This is some of the nuttiest logic ever dished out on the general discussion forum.


Logman don't let your left wing ideology get in the way and then answer:

Do they treat animals poorly due to religion? (yes)
Will they continue such tradition in another country? (yes, already do)
Are people infuriated by such practices? (yes, that's what this thread is about)

so do we want such people here?


Here is where the Ultra left get in a jiffy, in the quest for Multiculturalism and unquestioned tolerance for everybody, you literally have to accept all cultures, and all ideologies .. These are cultures and ideologies spawned in the dark ages, and are not compatible with the modern world...


Australia should be intolerant of intolerance..

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
16 Jun 2011 8:30PM
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Adoy said...

SandS said...


big trade problem... government..knee jerk reaction?...

then what has our foriegn minister got to say about this subject?

big fat 0 ,, Julia you dealwithit Ha.


Its an Industry problem, they have to fix and deal with it.


the industry didnt get a chance to fix it. jules sorted it out! real quick!

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
16 Jun 2011 8:37PM
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log man said...

SandS said...


big trade problem... government..knee jerk reaction?...

then what has our foriegn minister got to say about this subject?

big fat 0 ,, Julia you dealwithit Ha.


"big trade problem" should therefore be dealt with by the trade minister...... Emerson, Yeah?. Or it's an Agriculture problem therefore it's a Joe Ludwig problem, yeah? Absolutely bugger all to do with Rudd but don't let the facts get in the way of your own politics.


this is our closest neighbour, they are crapped off , and Rudd is silent, he is letting her stew in juices. " bugger all to do with Rudd " rubbish.

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
17 Jun 2011 12:26AM
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Mark _australia said...

log man said...

Mark _australia said...

always the Muslims who slaughter animals in horrid ways? Last time somebody was chasing
cattle around cutting their Achilles before slaughter it was in the middle east
somewhere, on telly about 3yrs ago.
Do we want a culture here that believes in tormenting animals and cutting their
throats whilst conscious (or for that matter, treat their women poorly also)?

Interesting that usually the same people who are all "pro-asylum seekers"
and so vocal in telling us to let them all in, are the most vocal on the animal rights
issues I find that very inconsistent - so maybe all the loony left will change
their beliefs about Muslim immigration after seeing 4 Corners?




This is some of the nuttiest logic ever dished out on the general discussion forum.


Logman don't let your left wing ideology get in the way and then answer:

Do they treat animals poorly due to religion? (yes)
Will they continue such tradition in another country? (yes, already do)
Are people infuriated by such practices? (yes, that's what this thread is about)

so do we want such people here?


"Do they treat animals poorly due to religion? (yes)". Really, really? I know you want to tie cruelty with Islam but is that a correct correlation, I would have thought Cultural(national) links would be more relevant.
On your logic, when I buy my Halal meat from the butchers in Sydney Road it almost certainly has been tortured before death. That's just dumb mate.
It comes from Australian Abattoirs and Halal practice is carried out by certified people in those abattoirs. Throats are usually cut by a knife and the blood drained........ the same as I used to do on the family chicken farm years ago and by the way I not muslim.
" Will they continue such tradition in another country? (yes, already do)"........ I hope they do, it's the only way to get good goat in Melbourne!!!
Ok, so just going by that website you posted, and geez it felt kind of nasty, why would you believe that stuff. I would want to get lots of back up confirmation on some of the "information" there
But the REALLY big question here is why do you bring this up in every second thread that gets posted here. You've obviously got a "thing" about Muslims, OK, but look back at your posts it seems to me to be a bit obsessive

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
17 Jun 2011 12:29AM
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SandS said...

log man said...

SandS said...


big trade problem... government..knee jerk reaction?...

then what has our foriegn minister got to say about this subject?

big fat 0 ,, Julia you dealwithit Ha.


"big trade problem" should therefore be dealt with by the trade minister...... Emerson, Yeah?. Or it's an Agriculture problem therefore it's a Joe Ludwig problem, yeah? Absolutely bugger all to do with Rudd but don't let the facts get in the way of your own politics.


this is our closest neighbour, they are crapped off , and Rudd is silent, he is letting her stew in juices. " bugger all to do with Rudd " rubbish.


It's not Rudds portfolio, you may as well have a go at minister for health, Roxon

barn
WA, 2960 posts
16 Jun 2011 11:51PM
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log man said...



[left]"Do they treat animals poorly due to religion? (yes)". Really, really? I know you want to tie cruelty with Islam but is that a correct correlation, I would have thought Cultural(national) links would be more relevant.[left]


It may be in their culture, but it's in their culture because of Islam, and Islam is used as the justification.. The method is from the middle east, it was spread to Indonesia by Islamization.. Basically Halal is really just traditional instructions for eating meat in the desert which has been adopted as Dogma. It keeps the nomads from eating animals that die of disease or animals found dead which might be full of bacteria. It makes sure the animal is alive and healthy at the time of death..


Similar reason for the origins of why cows are sacred to Hindus, to stop the villagers eating all their cows when they get hungry..


But of course that might have been good practice back in the day, but there is no need for it anymore, and it persists solely because if you are a Muslim, you have to submit to Allah and he gets really pissed at people not following the Qur'an


Prescribed slaughter..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhabihah

Qur'an said...


"Forbidden for you are carrion, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that which has been slaughtered while proclaiming the name of any other than God, and one killed by strangling, and one killed with blunt weapons, and one which died by falling, and that which was gored by the horns of some animal, and one eaten by a wild beast, except those whom you slaughter; and that which is slaughtered at the altar and that which is distributed by the throwing of arrows [for an omen]; this is an act of sin. "– Al-Maa'idah 5:3


Note the blunt weapon, it is literally a Sin to eat an animal killed with a bolt gun..

Wiki on Qur'an said...


According to Islamic tradition, the animal is brought to the place of slaughter and laid down gently so as to not injure it. The blade must be kept hidden until the very last moment while the jugular of the animal is felt. The conventional method used to slaughter the animal involves cutting the large arteries in the neck along with the esophagus and vertebrate trachea with one swipe of an non-serrated blade. Care must be taken that the nervous system is not damaged, as this may cause the animal to die before exsanguination has taken place. While blood is draining, the animal is not handled until it has died. If any other method is used its meat will not be halal.
This method adheres to Islamic law (it ensures the animal does not die by any of the Haraam methods) and helps to effectively drain blood from the animal. This may be important because the consumption of blood itself is forbidden in Islam,[Qur'an 2:173] however it is not clear that bleeding the animal removes all traces of blood from the carcass, so the meat may remain unclean. In fact it is stated by Islamic authorities that it is only necessary to drain 'most' of the blood from the animal.[7]



Take away Islam, and there is no rational reason to justify any of this S**t..

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Whats with people arguing that this is not important because some kids are being mistreated? using that logic nothing should be important until every hungry child in Africa has a University degree and a Porsche.. Saving the Rain forests? Why does anybody care about the rain forests when there are children in Africa with no food??? Nothing is important until all the children are fed God damn it!

Mark _australia
WA, 22287 posts
17 Jun 2011 8:05AM
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Thankyou Barn.

Logman, you thought wrong.
Islam prescribes barbaric methods whereby animals must be slaughtered in less humane ways than our best practice.
Sorry for baffling you with facts.

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
17 Jun 2011 9:23AM
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Isn't it barbaric to kill animals for food ?

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
17 Jun 2011 9:43AM
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Well as far as we make sure that the animal is still alive before we kill it we will be cool.
I did not say that!
But fark it is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo funy! You made my day!

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
17 Jun 2011 9:43AM
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poor relative said...

Isn't it barbaric to kill animals for food ?


No. Animals eat each other

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
17 Jun 2011 9:48AM
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SomeOtherGuy said...

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That's pretty rich coming from you, cat boy!

If you treat me right I will treat you likewise! but if you do me wrong or try taking advantage (boat invadors) I will respond in a nasty way!
Is that fair enough?

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
17 Jun 2011 11:57AM
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Mark _australia said...

Thankyou Barn.

Logman, you thought wrong.
Islam prescribes barbaric methods whereby animals must be slaughtered in less humane ways than our best practice.
Sorry for baffling you with facts.


Is slitting an animals throat an acceptable way to slaughter an animal?

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
17 Jun 2011 10:13AM
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log man said...

Mark _australia said...

Thankyou Barn.

Logman, you thought wrong.
Islam prescribes barbaric methods whereby animals must be slaughtered in less humane ways than our best practice.
Sorry for baffling you with facts.


Is slitting an animals throat an acceptable way to slaughter an animal?


No.

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
17 Jun 2011 10:21AM
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I lived in a remote - like a fully remote place in Indonesia for a while.

There was a gig one day to celebrate the local chiefs daughter getting married to another geezer
As part of the celebration they killed stuff.
They killed mainly cows and pigs.

I have never seen animals so humanely killed anywhere ever since.
Quick simple and with a 'religious' overtone.

Also when they ate meat it was no freshly packed coles caper, it was alive and clucking from the local market - killed in the home.

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
17 Jun 2011 10:25AM
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...... and the other thing as meat was so expensive eating it was a rarity.

Which i though was fully humane.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
17 Jun 2011 10:26AM
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poor relative said...

I lived in a remote - like a fully remote place in Indonesia for a while.

There was a gig one day to celebrate the local chiefs daughter getting married to another geezer
As part of the celebration they killed stuff.
They killed mainly cows and pigs.

I have never seen animals so humanely killed anywhere ever since.
Quick simple and with a 'religious' overtone.

Also when they ate meat it was no freshly packed coles caper, it was alive and clucking from the local market - killed in the home.


How did they do it and what religon were they?

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
17 Jun 2011 10:31AM
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If i rememebr rightly it was like a long thin knife straight into either the throat or the heart but wherever it killed the beast instantly.

Dunno about the religion Marapu at a guess?

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
17 Jun 2011 10:34AM
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barn said...
Australia should be intolerant of intolerance..

Have you re-read what you've written here? You and loggie are the 2 most intolerant of all on these forums. Should we all want all Australians to be like you?
Methinks not!!

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
17 Jun 2011 10:34AM
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Once dead the pig was then set on fire, then when burnt the beast was taken away the heart and wat looked like guts was presented to the Kepala Desar who nodded approval and everyone had a slice of pig with rice in a little plastic bowl - more fat than meat mind.

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
17 Jun 2011 10:39AM
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felixdcat said...
If you treat me right I will treat you likewise! but if you do me wrong or try taking advantage (boat invadors) I will respond in a nasty way!
Is that fair enough?

Hmmmm! Well, it's not what you said at the top of this page.
felixdcat said...
Just one rule: treat all like you would like to be treated!

Time to make up your mind perhaps?

Hiko
1229 posts
17 Jun 2011 11:10AM
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Blowed if I can see where you are coming from dinsdale those you criticise seem
pretty unambiguous to me could you explain yourself ?
Unless of course you mean that being tolerant means you should turn a blind eye
to whats wrong

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
17 Jun 2011 11:23AM
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Hiko said...

Blowed if I can see where you are coming from dinsdale those you criticise seem
pretty unambiguous to me could you explain yourself ?
Unless of course you mean that being tolerant means you should turn a blind eye
to whats wrong

Get barn and loggie to tell us all about their tolerance towards Christians. I'm only talking tolerance here, not like or dislike. They're like most of the tolerance brigade. They're tolerant of those who agree with them, but watch the vitriol flow when someone disagrees with them.

Ad hominem; I don't think anyone knows what it means - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Straw man; I don't think anyone knows what this means either - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Barn and loggie; Grand masters of both of the above.

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
17 Jun 2011 11:54AM
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well that my christian upbringing that resurface time to time (an eye for an eye), very hard to fight when you have been brain washed by religious bigots since preschool.
Just a question for dinds (aka I know better)
who wrote the bible?

Hiko
1229 posts
17 Jun 2011 11:58AM
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Dinsdale

OK I see your line of thinking
I will have to do some more reading back through the posts of the mentioned to see if I agree with you or not
Dont have time right now but my interest has been awakened

Gunna1
154 posts
17 Jun 2011 12:19PM
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felixdcat said...

well that my christian upbringing that resurface time to time (an eye for an eye), very hard to fight when you have been brain washed by religious bigots since preschool.
Just a question for dinds (aka I know better)
who wrote the bible?

[/Written by 40 different writers (or secretaries)over some 1500 years and divided into 66 books. The writers were inspired under divine direction (inspired by God)]

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
17 Jun 2011 12:33PM
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Gunna1 said...

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felixdcat said...

well that my christian upbringing that resurface time to time (an eye for an eye), very hard to fight when you have been brain washed by religious bigots since preschool.
Just a question for dinds (aka I know better)
who wrote the bible?

[/Written by 40 different writers (or secretaries)over some 1500 years and divided into 66 books. The writers were inspired under divine direction (inspired by God)]



Yep, just my point so many people tried to make it better that now with all the additions and the removal of what was not to be told to the mass of the followers it is just a vast pile of mumbo jumbo! For what I can remember learning in history at school the biggest edit happened at what was the first council on Christianity by the then roman emperor Constantine his 1st priority was to merge the Christian faith with the pagan one to keep everybody happy!
the coran is probabely not better!



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