Seriously? 7 pages? Yoou'd think it was the windless off-season or sumpin. LOL.
I reckon it's 95% Saffer's fault.
RSC ,
im confused now, were you launching a kite down wind or did some one launch a kite and it hit you or your family ?
This must be some sort of record for the most amount of crap posted in one week ???
HEY I stubbed my toe on the curb today and a car tooted its horn just beforehand.
I am seriously contemplating suing that car driver for distracting me as I was about to step from the road up to the sidewalk...
But then I calmed down and worked through the circumstances that led up to my slightly embarrassing stumble.
The poor unfortunate car driver can not be held totally to blame, because he was only pushing a horn that was installed by the manufacturer of the vehicle he was convinced into buying by some highly likely, unscrupulous car salesman that was under high pressure to sell that car just to pay his mortgage, bills, kids school fees, etc.
So now I am just totally dumbfounded as to the the course of action I should pursue. I am making a concerted effort to document all random horn blowing and measuring the average curb height on as many suburban roads as possible. These records may possibly give me a certain amount of confidence as to what course of action to take against, (1) The motorist. (2) The vehicle manufacturer. (3) The road building contractor. (4) Other parties that may make themselves apparent after consulting with my legal advisors.
So in conclusion I must concur that I have somehow contributed to this most helpful and informative thread in some small percentage.
My toe hurts
Damn boot greenfinger! I've always thought that boot was a turkey and posted complete cr@p on this forum.
What were we talkin about?
8 is a nice even number don't you think?
Best SB thread ever .....
So many fish with so little bait.....clearly good bait I guess !
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Idiot-At-Kawana/
Please Laurie dont ban it yet, I still think it can make 14 page mark, without a ban.... be nice to the the new anagram.....rsc...in small letters.
We need an rsc. a first poster that can crack the seabreeze record.... poop, we lost the ashes....
To lighten the mood. Where do the english cricket team live when they tour South Africa?
At their mums house?
Hey rsc,
As a sport goes, it is one of the most friendly and comraderic sports as can be, guys are always willing to help, loan, launch or land. You must be doing something wrong.
Just read some of your other posts in other topics and what I can see is that you are very very new to the sport, so why are you trying to self launch when you are barely up and riding?? You've got to learn kite skills before attempting self launching.
Chill out
Rsc,
I am glad that the Seabreeze Forum community is assisting you in whatever task you are doing. Do not assume that the comments here are representative of the kitesurfing community.
Playing with people is not ethical.
Regards,
Fred
Gee, I wonder why 99% of lawyers have such a bad rap.
The best lawyer wins, and you rsc are not it.
It is hot in Perth and the vibs on this thread make me sad.
This is quite stunning read and hey I will add my two bobs worth.
[... I turned my head and this split my attention and caused some confusion for a moment.
In the 2-3 nano-seconds I looked down at the bar and it was the right way round (red to the left) and I said "I know what I'm doing" (or words to that effect, meaning what the "f..." are you talking about?) and in the process turned back to the kite and continued with the delicate balancing act, and bingo, before I had time to think, up it went. I was a little off balance due to the intervention (both mentally and physically) and was lifted up and dumped on a small sand lump about 10m away.
It took six or so pages or fluffing around with fancy legal speak without you actually quoting a single act, regulation, section or piece of tested case law to support your arguement, then when you do start quoting stuff, the best you have is wikipedia, google, and council by-laws from some county in the UK somewhere. With a bit of proper research through say the State Law Publisher website or something likea Butterworths you might come up with something local to support your arguement.
Quoting the Trade Practices Act is useless, I'd imagine there is a close zero chance or proving the 'advice given' was either misleading or deceptive, especially as there was no commercial arrangement between you and the person that offered the advice.
In your 'case study' the advice was given, received, verified by you as incorrect, and you continued with the delicate balancing act and bingo before you had time to think up it went. Me thinks you suffered from the classic case of things going pear shaped and you hung onto the bar bar for dear life. It is an instinctive reaction that you can only overcome through experience and re-training mucsle memory. As a result that baby was powered up with the inevitable result.
Blaming the girl that said something is selfish, you might not accept 100% of the blame but you can't apportion any to her.
By your own admissions the kite was around the wrong way, so my guess is you were going to fluff the launch regardless, either way you were probably going to get served a crumbed sausage. Bugger you got hurt and snapped a line but it happens.
I don't like how you have deliberately exaggerated parts of the story to provoke a response from SB members, and worse with the sole intent to quote and reference in a paper you are writing, I think that is bordering on trolling and inflammatory??? The paper you are now writing is worthless unless you declare to WAKSA and anyone else that you give it to that it is based on an exaggerated scenario that resulted in the responses you received.
By and large kiters are a great crew that don't deserve this attitude from another kiter.
U said u were shy and now u r not that shy... Make up ur mind... I think Laurie should make this thread a stickie!
Just reporting that "RSC" is definitely taking off as a new catchphrase for gratuitous, ill-informed, internally inconsistent and tediously written pedantry, even here in Melbourne, and even in non-kiting circles. I was on the tram yesterday and one teenage girl said to her friend, "Oh no wayyy!!That is, like, so RSC!!"
RSC, if you put the same effort into learning to kite as you do into pushing sh!t uphill around here, you'd already be whooping Hadlow.
If you're going to bandy the word "cybernetics" about, then be reminded that, in the words of Gregory Bateson, "No part of a complex interactive system can control the whole system." If you want to influence this culture, you'll need to take a subtler approach. As Milton Erickson put it, "There are no resistant patients, only inflexible therapists."
Or, as the Beatles suggested, "Let it be."
Good to have you back rsc ol’ mate…. your fire burns strong. I was missing you.
Re risk and risk management. If you look through the SB forum topics, you’ll see many of the posts discuss safe techniques or minimizing dangerous activity. It’s an ongoing concern taken seriously, which is why the mind set you’re presenting is a worry
Whether self launching or show pony-ing, duty of care lies with the kiter- 100%. If you’re self launching with no-one around, you have 100% duty of care for yourself (i always self launch and self land) If someone is going show pony that 100% extends to the crowd of people that come within their kite range.
re your scenario, you had 100% duty of care for your safety. You weren’t operating under the advice of an instructor. You allowed yourself to get distracted.
The danger with your mind set is that you attempt to immediately mitigate your duty of care to 60% because of a passing comment. The feedback you’re getting here is that you can’t allow yourself to get distracted- and you won’t listen to that voice of experience from people way more experienced that you or me
Show ponys with your mind set raise the same concern- in their mind they can immediately mitigate their duty of care to 60% because someone distracts them.
Mitigation would come in if someone grabbed hold of your bar on launch or crashed their kite into yours when in show pony mode
You’re a risk and you’re not managing it.
You say your self launch skill has improved 101%. I’d estimate you had about 20% competency at self launching at the time of your scenario, so a 101% improvement takes you to a fraction over 40% competency and you still ain’t listening.
and relying on wikipedia legal comment and a barrister’s advice to accountants…seriously???
Peer reviewed?
What a wank.
How can you use anything said on seabreeze in an academic paper?
Especially when every response was contributed by the same author using different usernames!!
Imagine how many constructive things could be done instead of writing 14,000 words on what a wanker he is?
Might even have time to practise some kiting skills.
Where will he be when WAKSA membership is compulsory to kite on local beaches. Humble pie tastes a little salty!!
Have been reading this over the last few days! RSC if you would of done as much research and planning into your kitesurfing as you have trying to comment on a sport and legal issues you clearly are not well versed on! You might of avoided a failed "self" launch or realised that kitesurfing is generally a pretty tight community and asking for a hand to launch would of been a good way to minimise risk and make some friends learn conditions etc! Its called a "self" launch because thats what it is 100% reliant on your skills as a kiteboarder! Man up realise you stuffed up and learnt from it, as an observation from threads this might not be the sport for you!! Looks like you would rather shift though the internet and challenge people on something they have been doing for years rather than listen to experienced advice! Kitesurfing is about the relaxation and stoke of being out on the water with a few mates and switching off from the grind of work. Not writing a novel!!