Select to expand quoteTonyAbbott said..
WTF
Can a approved seabreeze fact checkers confirm this is true for me?
Tony - bro - thanks so much for the weblinks... the data is real... yes, I went there... yes, I verified the data in your post against the source...
data.gov.il/dataset/covid-19/resource/9b623a64-f7df-4d0c-9f57-09bd99a88880
datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general
Not sure this is going to take you where you want to go though... soz... in particular, source 2 is awesome, what a great tool... so, let's look at some data...
When considered as part of a population of 100,000, the data looks a lot different... I did take the trouble of looking at the population under 60, coz I hear the deniers here wailing about why they should participate in protecting the elderly or those with existing health complaints... so, screw those people... and here it is... below... how inconvenient...
Let me guess... the data is now all lies??? Government lies???
Looks to me like the seriously ill who are unvaccinated outnumber the vaccinated 4 to 1. It's all there in blue and green...
Choose you own adventure and good luck with your choices...
#FullyVaccinated.
#Smug
Select to expand quotePugwash said.. best vaccine has 95% efficacy, AZ is like 65%??
www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1.full.pdf
tldr; Pfizer 42% efficacy, learn what this actually means.
Select to expand quoteFlySurfer said..Pugwash said.. best vaccine has 95% efficacy, AZ is like 65%??
www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1.full.pdf
tldr; Pfizer 42% efficacy, learn what this actually means.
Your point is ~50% of population vaccinated multiplied by vaccine efficacy of 95% is 42%
ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....snore...fart...snore....
Select to expand quoteFlySurfer said..Pugwash said.. best vaccine has 95% efficacy, AZ is like 65%??
www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1.full.pdf
tldr; Pfizer 42% efficacy, learn what this actually means.
Dood?? Where'd you go? No reply this time?
Can you mark my homework? Did I get it right... sure, I opened your paper, read the Abstract and page flicked the rest before responding to your post within 5 minutes...
So, let's be clear, the message you are trying to tell me is that the unvaccinated are reducing the effect of the vaccines in the population, thus elevating the risk significantly for all... awesome... great share man...
#FullyVaccinated
#EvenMoreSmugForDoingMyBit
over 200 000 people vaxed today in nsw alone and no deaths from the jab again today.
Reading some posts in this thread... Guys, how are you surviving in Oz these days? Looks like NZ is locked because of 1 case. Crazy. I mean, I understand the logic... Potentially if we can lock everyone and stop everything on the planet for say week/two then this virus can disappear. It would work good in a Petri-dish or at a local zoo but not in reality.
Here in some parts of NYC the rule is there are no rules... One clown already resigned, another on the way out in Nov, lots of lies + retard running the country. So if people want to wear masks they do if they don't, no one gives much serious cra*. Went to a restaurant with dancing floor yesterday and maybe 10% of people wore masks. There is some sort of mandate starting Sep 13 but I have huge doubts a lot of businesses will follow nor police who hates the mayor will seriously enforce.
From reading your Oz posts, it sounds like one can go to prison for catching Covid.. In Russia they actually made up quite a few of these criminal cases for not following prevention/isolation protocol without prof (for the opposition mostly).. 
Select to expand quoteSorry Leto but your mob has had more die from this virus than you lost in both WW1 & WW2 combined. That is crazy.
But feel free to brush over your Covid-19 death rate; which has once again started to climb over 1000/day as the US heads into autumn and winter.
Select to expand quoteFlySurfer said..psychojoe said..
While I'm on the subject, is there any statistically significant control groups left?
Sweden was great for being the measure of lockdown effective/ineffectiveness. Now that Sweden is fully vaccinated I need a new control group to measure the value of these 250+ vaccine candidates.
Gibraltar...is back in lock down after being the 1st place with 100% vaxed.
www.facebook.com/gibraltargovernment/photos/pcb.4553155308063063/4553155078063086/
www.facebook.com/gibraltargovernment/
. We've got plenty of test subjects.
I'm interested in data from a control group
Select to expand quotetheDoctor said..
Really, we used to have Rooster amongst our flock of chickens and I often thought his life looked pretty good.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..FormulaNova said..eppo said.. 
Ah fair cop.
Three of my students aged 16 got their shots today were back at school in some classes of mine. Of course i didn't say anything because its their parents choice (and theirs presumably) plus none of is can be certain either way - and if you think you do - you havent looked into this enough.
just saying it was weird - Weird times.
I do hope though we are doing the right thing, given the push to take this experimental "vaccine", and now to our children.
Still can't go past data out of Sweden.
There were 150 16-17y.o. that made it to intensive care throughout the pandemic.
I don't have any individual data on these kids but in the interim it's reasonable to assume that a high percentage had a confounding illness, some would be obese, a handful would be premium athletes, and a couple would've copped a high viral load and Some really bad luck.
For most kids, my math suggests it's not right.
For vulnerable kids, it's really cool that there is something available already.
Also Sweden are not vaccinating under 16s unless they are high risk because there is no benefit which is a fair indication that their math aligns with mine.
As an aside, can you imagine the government employing a confounder based risk stratification policy on these kids. Line up kids. Ok fatty, to the left you get the jab. Sorry miss Wendell, your son is slightly underweight to be considered high risk, maybe force-feed him for a week and come back.
Select to expand quoteBrent in Qld said..Sorry Leto but your mob has had more die from this virus than you lost in both WW1 & WW2 combined. That is crazy.
But feel free to brush over your Covid-19 death rate; which has once again started to climb over 1000/day as the US heads into autumn and winter.
Brent. Surely you're aware that 10,000 people die every day in the States. The number hasn't climbed to 11,000 nor over 20,000 which may actually warrant some of the level of concern it's garnered
Select to expand quoteleto said..
Here in some parts of NYC the rule is there are no rules... One clown already resigned, another on the way out in Nov, lots of lies + retard running the country. So if people want to wear masks they do if they don't, no one gives much serious cra*. Went to a restaurant with dancing floor yesterday and maybe 10% of people wore masks.... ]
We are all waiting to see what you guys do. Are you going to reach herd immunity and get a handle on it or are a lot of you going to die in the name of freedom? If anywhere is going to insist on their right to die its you lot.
Can you hurry up so we can figure out the best way to do it?
Im a big fan of the American ideology of freedom. Whats the alternative - stalin or chinese type rule.?
you cant have your cake and eat it as well. "Freedom" comes at a cost. Always has, always will.
that being said democracy is severely perverted in america the political legalisation - especially when it comes to political donations and lobbying for the very people that make the laws. Especially around money and wealth distribution.
bottom line is though if america crumbles we are faaaaaarked.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..leto said..
Here in some parts of NYC the rule is there are no rules... One clown already resigned, another on the way out in Nov, lots of lies + retard running the country. So if people want to wear masks they do if they don't, no one gives much serious cra*. Went to a restaurant with dancing floor yesterday and maybe 10% of people wore masks.... ]
We are all waiting to see what you guys do. Are you going to reach herd immunity and get a handle on it or are a lot of you going to die in the name of freedom? If anywhere is going to insist on their right to die its you lot.
Can you hurry up so we can figure out the best way to do it?
American's are willing to fight and die for other people's Freedom not just their own, its not something you should scoff at, its one of their most admirable qualities.
Select to expand quotecammd said..FormulaNova said..leto said..
Here in some parts of NYC the rule is there are no rules... One clown already resigned, another on the way out in Nov, lots of lies + retard running the country. So if people want to wear masks they do if they don't, no one gives much serious cra*. Went to a restaurant with dancing floor yesterday and maybe 10% of people wore masks.... ]
We are all waiting to see what you guys do. Are you going to reach herd immunity and get a handle on it or are a lot of you going to die in the name of freedom? If anywhere is going to insist on their right to die its you lot.
Can you hurry up so we can figure out the best way to do it?
American's are willing to fight and die for other people's Freedom not just their own, its not something you should scoff at, its one of their most admirable qualities.
AAAHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAAAAAAAA!
It's hilarious that you seriously believe that. No wonder you're such a stooge.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..kiterboy said..FormulaNova said..Macroscien said..lotofwind said..
Kitekid lives on Christmas Island, Id guess in the detention center where they turn the WiFi off to the inmates at 8pm, so he wont reply till internet is allowed again tomorrow
I see you all torture poor Boy now.,
Don't be too vigorous...
Even if don't have a boat, to attach an anchor to the foot. jump and drawn itself,
may not survive high jumps and falls from the sky when pushed too far....
you are all only humans...
let's play funny but safe guys ...nothing you say doesn't really matter anyway ...
Sincerely
Your
Macro
PS. I saw Bob humiliated and drowned recently. So I did use my time machine, get his back alive again.
Now he is happily alive and safe.Nobody will thank me, but that is ok. Even if you get your planet to dust, I will get this back..and replace common species with some over sort..only
Macro, just out of interest, did you get a vaccine. If you did, what date did you get it, so I can check your posts 
All in the interests of science of course, as I want to make sure that everything's good.
Why don't you tell us why you had the jab and why you think it's worth the gamble of possibly suffering long term side effects.
I think the biggest side-effect is someone on Seabreeze pestering me.
Says the pro-pesterer.
Still can't bring yourself to answer the question eh.
Select to expand quotetheDoctor said..
most of our vaccines are made on those eggs...
so at least your all know that is happy vaccine
try not to crow too loud in the morning at 5 am. after the third jab shot .
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..cammd said..FormulaNova said..leto said..
Here in some parts of NYC the rule is there are no rules... One clown already resigned, another on the way out in Nov, lots of lies + retard running the country. So if people want to wear masks they do if they don't, no one gives much serious cra*. Went to a restaurant with dancing floor yesterday and maybe 10% of people wore masks.... ]
We are all waiting to see what you guys do. Are you going to reach herd immunity and get a handle on it or are a lot of you going to die in the name of freedom? If anywhere is going to insist on their right to die its you lot.
Can you hurry up so we can figure out the best way to do it?
American's are willing to fight and die for other people's Freedom not just their own, its not something you should scoff at, its one of their most admirable qualities.
AAAHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAAAAAAAA!
It's hilarious that you seriously believe that. No wonder you're such a stooge.
I do believe it, why wouldn't you. Taiwan's future depends on it, probably ours as well.
Its pretty disrespectful to laugh at it it like that, lots of veterans have given their lives and you call me a stooge because I admire their bravery and sacrifice.
edit: I bet you wouldn't laugh like that if you were standing next to the family of one of those soldiers who died defending someone else's freedom. Go to say I am really quite disgusted with your response
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
Im a big fan of the American ideology of freedom. Whats the alternative - stalin or chinese type rule.?
you cant have your cake and eat it as well. "Freedom" comes at a cost. Always has, always will.
that being said democracy is severely perverted in america the political legalisation - especially when it comes to political donations and lobbying for the very people that make the laws. Especially around money and wealth distribution.
bottom line is though if america crumbles we are faaaaaarked.
yep, freedom and fresh air is essential to your health
but wait
Chines also starts building plenty of bridges to resolve accommodation gridlock
Vaccine who has it who hasn't who won't?
Every Qantas employee is now in the have group. 22000 employees, will make it easier for other companies to follow the lead. Well done Qantas.
Select to expand quotecammd said..kiterboy said..cammd said..FormulaNova said..leto said..
Here in some parts of NYC the rule is there are no rules... One clown already resigned, another on the way out in Nov, lots of lies + retard running the country. So if people want to wear masks they do if they don't, no one gives much serious cra*. Went to a restaurant with dancing floor yesterday and maybe 10% of people wore masks.... ]
We are all waiting to see what you guys do. Are you going to reach herd immunity and get a handle on it or are a lot of you going to die in the name of freedom? If anywhere is going to insist on their right to die its you lot.
Can you hurry up so we can figure out the best way to do it?
American's are willing to fight and die for other people's Freedom not just their own, its not something you should scoff at, its one of their most admirable qualities.
AAAHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAAAAAAAA!
It's hilarious that you seriously believe that. No wonder you're such a stooge.
I do believe it, why wouldn't you. Taiwan's future depends on it, probably ours as well.
Its pretty disrespectful to laugh at it it like that, lots of veterans have given their lives and you call me a stooge because I admire their bravery and sacrifice.
edit: I bet you wouldn't laugh like that if you were standing next to the family of one of those soldiers who died defending someone else's freedom. Go to say I am really quite disgusted with your response
I'm laughing at you believing that America fights for anything other than politicians' and military industrial complex's self interests.
Soldiers die for lies, I don't find that funny at all. It's sad that good people are manipulated to fight and die for bs reasons.
Someone on the internet is disgusted with me, boo hoo. Cry me a river.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..
Still can't go past data out of Sweden.
There were 150 16-17y.o. that made it to intensive care throughout the pandemic.
I don't have any individual data on these kids but in the interim it's reasonable to assume that a high percentage had a confounding illness, some would be obese, a handful would be premium athletes, and a couple would've copped a high viral load and Some really bad luck.
Just to set the record straight:
Sweden solved the problem with increased covid number by testing less.
Sweden solved the problem with a lot of dead people in the retirement homes by not testing them for covid.
Sweden solved the problem with overflowing ICU's by not admitting older people and leave them to care for themselves at home.
Select to expand quoteNumber said..psychojoe said..
Still can't go past data out of Sweden.
There were 150 16-17y.o. that made it to intensive care throughout the pandemic.
I don't have any individual data on these kids but in the interim it's reasonable to assume that a high percentage had a confounding illness, some would be obese, a handful would be premium athletes, and a couple would've copped a high viral load and Some really bad luck.
Just to set the record straight:
Sweden solved the problem with increased covid number by testing less.
Sweden solved the problem with a lot of dead people in the retirement homes by not testing them for covid.
Sweden solved the problem with overflowing ICU's by not admitting older people and leave them to care for themselves at home.
Agree.
And...
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..
Agree.
And...
Don't use a country as an example when you cannot trust the numbers.
But considering that you start with:
"I don't have any individual data"
And then make an uneducated assumption from that I assume you would pick any number anywhere that would support your opinion.
Normally I stay out of discussion online but I cannot stand when someone refer to the Swedish handling as successful. Telling old people that they are on their own if they catch it and fudging numbers is never ok
Select to expand quoteNumber said..psychojoe said..
Agree.
And...
Don't use a country as an example when you cannot trust the numbers.
But considering that you start with:
"I don't have any individual data"
And then make an uneducated assumption from that I assume you would pick any number anywhere that would support your opinion.
Normally I stay out of discussion online but I cannot stand when someone refer to the Swedish handling as successful. Telling old people that they are on their own if they catch it and fudging numbers is never ok
Thank you.
It's quite the compliment.
I'll afford it the time for a considered response as soon as I'm able.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..Brent in Qld said..Sorry Leto but your mob has had more die from this virus than you lost in both WW1 & WW2 combined. That is crazy.
But feel free to brush over your Covid-19 death rate; which has once again started to climb over 1000/day as the US heads into autumn and winter.
Brent. Surely you're aware that 10,000 people die every day in the States. The number hasn't climbed to 11,000 nor over 20,000 which may actually warrant some of the level of concern it's garnered
Hi Joe
Agree, the historical approximation of 10k people a day is a lot and the number has been observed for a reasonable time. Any spike or anomalies outside of the usual causes which has grown to 10% in a short period is of concern. Sure Covid may be gobbling up those who may have passed away from other forms of influenza but also consider this strain of virus was not killing people 2 years ago and at its peak last year, deaths were 4k+ per day in the US. That's 40%+ of the total daily death count last winter. This is a serious chunk of daily deaths and can not simply be muddled in with the historical normals to prescribe wait & see, 'it will just disappear' as usual as a solution.
Either way, I got my second AZ early this week & have had no negatives. Long term? Don't give a flying f#*k, lead a full life & am not about to sit around procrastinating over what ifs, maybes and hypotheticals.
I must say reading these posts have definitely kept me entertained for hours, sadly most of you sheep are too far gone down the make believe tunnel to frankly even bother arguing with. This is way better than Home and Away. Please keyboard warriors don't bother replying.
